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A fellow frenchman on our local Vital (MX2K) just posted an innovative medical diagnostic: severely barciated discs.
Laughing

Hope Ferrandis gets well soon.
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SoCalMX70 wrote:
Video shows nothing, really. Especially not where Barcia was looking. Barcia's DNF, warranted or not, was brought on by his continuously shitty behavior. No one to...
Video shows nothing, really. Especially not where Barcia was looking.

Barcia's DNF, warranted or not, was brought on by his continuously shitty behavior. No one to blame but himself for making it an easy decision for officials.
Magoofan wrote:
Lotta cognitive bias in the "lynch Barcia" threads. See the same with Webb and other "controversial" riders. Just like politics these days. "I'm right...you're wrong". What...
Lotta cognitive bias in the "lynch Barcia" threads.

See the same with Webb and other "controversial" riders. Just like politics these days. "I'm right...you're wrong".

What I see in Barcia is a guy full of heart that wants every position he has...whatever that position is. He's a racer.
That's not to say he isn't aggressive. It'll be a sad day when JB retires.

Just imagine if this guy were racing today?



People would lose their shit and go blind from rage.


Like I said earlier....people need their "villain" to string up.

Proceed.


You mean people would go blind with rage like barcia did when tomac gave him some back?

Did that guy cry like a child when people hit him like barcia does ?
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yak651 9/6/2022 5:37am
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Cancel Culture has taken a strong footing in MX/SX. Sad. Saw the video from Barcias bike... that incident was not on him. ...but gather up your...
Cancel Culture has taken a strong footing in MX/SX.

Sad.

Saw the video from Barcias bike... that incident was not on him.

...but gather up your pitchforks....there has to be a villain to kill.

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Yea cause that one perspective tells the whole story 🙄. And how is it not on barcia. DF made a clean move to the inside and...
Yea cause that one perspective tells the whole story 🙄.

And how is it not on barcia. DF made a clean move to the inside and barcia b-lined it straight across the track to take DF out.
Please show the other perspective then
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yak651 wrote:
Please show the other perspective then
Well we don’t have one but just because we don’t have one doesn’t mean you can see perfectly what happened in the video from barcias fender. Based on the speed and angle barcia was taking I think it would probably look worse then his take out in mookie in SX. And with his history he gets absolutely no benefit of doubt.

Is that seriously your logic?

I can’t see the bottom of the ocean but it doesn’t mean it’s not there.
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Iridereallyslow 9/6/2022 6:44am
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yak651 wrote:
Please show the other perspective then
soggy wrote:
Well we don’t have one but just because we don’t have one doesn’t mean you can see perfectly what happened in the video from barcias fender...
Well we don’t have one but just because we don’t have one doesn’t mean you can see perfectly what happened in the video from barcias fender. Based on the speed and angle barcia was taking I think it would probably look worse then his take out in mookie in SX. And with his history he gets absolutely no benefit of doubt.

Is that seriously your logic?

I can’t see the bottom of the ocean but it doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a conclusion based on that...unless further evidence is provided.

Your logic is that if there's some other mysterious grassy knoll footage, that it's going to tell a different story, and even though we haven't seen it, we can imagine it, so it must be true.
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Iridereallyslow wrote:
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a...
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a conclusion based on that...unless further evidence is provided.

Your logic is that if there's some other mysterious grassy knoll footage, that it's going to tell a different story, and even though we haven't seen it, we can imagine it, so it must be true.
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
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Losing Ferrandis in his prime because of Barcia is messed up. In my opinion this is on the officials. He should have been suspended years ago. Guarantee he'd ride different if he were clipped from racing.
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Iridereallyslow 9/6/2022 7:02am
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Iridereallyslow wrote:
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a...
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a conclusion based on that...unless further evidence is provided.

Your logic is that if there's some other mysterious grassy knoll footage, that it's going to tell a different story, and even though we haven't seen it, we can imagine it, so it must be true.
blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
Yes I realize this. I never said it was the wrong call. But I would like to highlight that one AMA official saw the event, we have his opinion and Barcia's helmet cam footage. One is subjective and one is objective.
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Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
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jorgechavez 9/6/2022 7:23am
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Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
Did you miss the part where Barcia cut the track and took Ferrandis out? In this case it was Barcia’s fault.
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Steve125 9/6/2022 7:29am
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Steve125 wrote:
Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
jorgechavez wrote:
Did you miss the part where Barcia cut the track and took Ferrandis out? In this case it was Barcia’s fault.
Did you see Barcia's onboard view?
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Iridereallyslow wrote:
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a...
Yak's logic is using the evidence that we DO have; we have Barcia's helmet cam footage, and that is all, so we have to make a conclusion based on that...unless further evidence is provided.

Your logic is that if there's some other mysterious grassy knoll footage, that it's going to tell a different story, and even though we haven't seen it, we can imagine it, so it must be true.
blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
This official and the promoter took a week to come out with a statement. After the last couple months I will take the word of MX Sports with a grain of salt
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jorgechavez 9/6/2022 7:36am
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Steve125 wrote:
Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
jorgechavez wrote:
Did you miss the part where Barcia cut the track and took Ferrandis out? In this case it was Barcia’s fault.
Steve125 wrote:
Did you see Barcia's onboard view?
Yes
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Iridereallyslow 9/6/2022 7:40am
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Steve125 wrote:
Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
jorgechavez wrote:
Did you miss the part where Barcia cut the track and took Ferrandis out? In this case it was Barcia’s fault.
If you saw the go pro footage, then you know "cut the track" is egregious. You can say Barcia went off-track, nobody is disagreeing with that or that fact that they made contact.
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We texted with Dylan yesterday, told me inflamed lumbar vertebrae. Still trying to make it for the MXdN. This is the last news.
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SGoodman 9/6/2022 7:46am
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See, this is what happens when there is No REAL FUCKING SANCTIONING BODY.....

we get what we deserve.. and we've allowed this bullshit for years upon years... we are the consumers.. we are the ones that PAY for all this shit...

Dumb dumb was allowed to ruin the 22 sx series by repeatedly taking out Anderson in early races, while fighting over "Ninth and Tenth".... which is complete bullshit....

and now Dumb Dumb has put DF14 off the bike for months.... all the while fighting for "Ninth and fucking tenth"....




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Magoofan 9/6/2022 8:16am
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Well we don’t have one but just because we don’t have one doesn’t mean you can see perfectly what happened in the video from barcias fender...
Well we don’t have one but just because we don’t have one doesn’t mean you can see perfectly what happened in the video from barcias fender. Based on the speed and angle barcia was taking I think it would probably look worse then his take out in mookie in SX. And with his history he gets absolutely no benefit of doubt.

Is that seriously your logic?

I can’t see the bottom of the ocean but it doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Please make sure you give this response when interviewed by the attorneys next time you go to Jury duty.....

It will most certainly get you excused.
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Steve125 wrote:
Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
There's a thread about Ciancirillo injured again. That's also Barcias fault.

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blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit...

Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here...





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thatswhathappens 9/6/2022 8:37am
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blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
Magoofan wrote:
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit... Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/06/567259/s1200_timthumb.jpg[/img]
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit...

Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here...





You can argue all day that the sky is green, but at the end of the day the sky is still blue and Barcia still rides like a dickhead.
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Broseph 9/6/2022 8:39am
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blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
Magoofan wrote:
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit... Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/06/567259/s1200_timthumb.jpg[/img]
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit...

Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here...





The only official who saw it happen thinks it’s worthy of a DQ. Seems like quite a stretch to question the integrity of this official considering you weren’t there and didn’t see it happen.
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Barcia deserves a fair amount of the criticism he receives. He's involved in more incidents that question "intent" than anyone else.

I'm mostly on the fence about this one. I initially thought that it had to have been bad to warrant the DQ. And I was saying that he got what he deserved.... I was bordering on confirmation bias. Then I saw the video, the only evidence we actually have to review and it took me to a different place. It doesn't look like there is intent and it was just hard racing on BOTH sides.

More importantly, I hate to see Dylan hurt and hope he's back for MXdN and 100% for his battle with Chase outdoors next year.
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Magoofan 9/6/2022 8:50am
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Broseph wrote:
The only official who saw it happen thinks it’s worthy of a DQ. Seems like quite a stretch to question the integrity of this official considering...
The only official who saw it happen thinks it’s worthy of a DQ. Seems like quite a stretch to question the integrity of this official considering you weren’t there and didn’t see it happen.
Yes....because officials (of any sport) are always 100% right and never carry bias. I'm not saying they did have bias...only asking if that MAY have come into play.

...but using your statement. How many here on Vital weren't there to see it happen?

The video clears Barcia in my book.


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Iridereallyslow 9/6/2022 8:55am
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blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
Magoofan wrote:
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit... Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/06/567259/s1200_timthumb.jpg[/img]
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit...

Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here...





After reading the response from the official, yes I think he was/is carrying bias against Barcia.
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MaxPower 9/6/2022 8:57am
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Steve125 wrote:
Herniated discs from Motocross? No way. Gotta be Barcia's fault.
Magoofan wrote:
There's a thread about Ciancirillo injured again. That's also Barcias fault.

If a racer with unapologetic reputation for being out of control with not aggressive riding but dirty riding in the 50+ class that has injured fellow racers took you out hard to where you couldn't do your job ,would you honestly be high fives and fist bumps from the stretcher? Or maybe give a shoulder shrug(when you could actually shrug your shoulders again) and have a " that's racing attitude "?. Or perhaps wish someone would not let that racer compete since he is a psychopath and doesn't care if he hurts anyone badly because it's not legal for you to go over to his truck and break his jaw to teach him to race with some respect? If you would have no issue with someone like this you either think like a battered wife or most likely are a better man than me
Racing is dangerous. Things happen. And the first 10 times maybe it can be looked past. But the dudes nickname is BamBam. To me he has an issue racing the track, instead he looks at other racers at gold coins for points.
I truly can't believe he hasn't pushed anyone to the point where they haven't given him a beat down. But I'm not racing him so I'll watch the excitement from the stands
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blockhead17 wrote:
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d...
It happened right in front of an AMA official that decided it was too big of a hit (after being inside the track markers) and DQ’d him, we later find out Dylan is injured. I say the AMA official made the right call.
If this was Kenny taken out and injured, this place would melt down!
Magoofan wrote:
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit... Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/06/567259/s1200_timthumb.jpg[/img]
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit...

Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here...





Iridereallyslow wrote:
After reading the response from the official, yes I think he was/is carrying bias against Barcia.
I have not seen that response..... can you share a linky please.
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Iridereallyslow 9/6/2022 9:07am
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Magoofan wrote:
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit... Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/06/567259/s1200_timthumb.jpg[/img]
Did the official see DF "push" Barcia prior to the hit...

Does the official carry "bias" against Barcia like many of you here...





Iridereallyslow wrote:
After reading the response from the official, yes I think he was/is carrying bias against Barcia.
Magoofan wrote:
I have not seen that response..... can you share a linky please.
I don't have social media, so I don't know where it was originally posted, but this is where I read it...
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Anyone-have-video-of-Bar…

Edit: Upon further investigation this appears to be Chris Ganz, I don't know that he is an official, I think just a photo journalist?


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Broseph 9/6/2022 9:41am
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The only official who saw it happen thinks it’s worthy of a DQ. Seems like quite a stretch to question the integrity of this official considering...
The only official who saw it happen thinks it’s worthy of a DQ. Seems like quite a stretch to question the integrity of this official considering you weren’t there and didn’t see it happen.
Magoofan wrote:
Yes....because officials (of any sport) are always 100% right and never carry bias. I'm not saying they did have bias...only asking if that MAY have come...
Yes....because officials (of any sport) are always 100% right and never carry bias. I'm not saying they did have bias...only asking if that MAY have come into play.

...but using your statement. How many here on Vital weren't there to see it happen?

The video clears Barcia in my book.


The video shows a GasGas motorcycle being used as a guided cruise missile. Full throttle straight across all the ruts and right into Ferrandis. Purposefully downing a faster rider out of anger from being passed. And causing injury. Again.

Like AC said in Supercross after Barcia torpedoed Malcolm, you can cut straight across the corner and take someone out every single time. And it’s not right.

If making a habit of injuring faster riders instead of passing them back is ok in your book, I don’t think we’re into the same sport.
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davistld01 9/6/2022 9:42am
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Like another member said above...with Barcia's history of riding like an idiot, he gets no benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter if he was in the wrong, or if Ferrandis is making a mountain out of a mole hill...or even if Dylan instigated the issue, Barcia is the bad guy. I'm damn sure not supporting Barcia in this, or any contact-related situation with him being a partner...but he has done this to himself.
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