Nico Izzi ?? (Update: Nico Returns to Racing in 2022)

bite_the_curb wrote:

addiction is a hereditary thing

byke wrote:

I think people dislike the fact that the word "disease" has no differentiation in how it happened. Gonorrhea is a disease that usually comes from being...

I think people dislike the fact that the word "disease" has no differentiation in how it happened. Gonorrhea is a disease that usually comes from being an irresponsible idiot. Then you have some poor 4yo kid over at St Jude's with cancer in their brain and it's not from anything they did. Yet, they are the same, both "victims" of a disease. Do you have any idea what that kid and their family would give to be a victim of a disease of choice where all they had to do was stop a behavior? The differences between actual victims and victims by choice is like being on different planets. People don't really like that they fall into the same category and it's totally understandable. We just need a new word, maybe it's dumbsease. Nico has a very serious dumbsease.

davistld01 wrote:

Only 3% of addiction is brought on (even slightly) by genetic predisposition. Get your facts straight.

davistld01 wrote:

Only 3% of addiction is brought on (even slightly) by genetic predisposition. Get your facts straight.

bite_the_curb wrote:

can you show me that data?

almost everyone i knew who was an addict had it in there family

davistld01 wrote:

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government...

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government to fund thousands of treatment centers & rehabs across America, and to pay for the certification of millions of CADAC (Certified Alcohol/Drug Addiction Counselors) during that time.

Addicts become addicts because of frequency of use. Most start using a substance habitually because it allows them to self-medicate feelings...and their inability to deal with life on lifes terms like those who do it without having to rely on a chemical or substance daily. The feeling one gets when one becomes addicted, both psychologically & physically gets to be "normal" for them, no matter how jacked up it makes them and how abnormal they appear to those around them.

The "Disease Concept" took all the responsibility away from the addict for destructive behavior or criminal activity. They "can't help it". I got sober by taking responsibility for my life...and with a lot of help from God above. It's what I still do every day! I choose to deal with life, be responsible for my life & be a productive human...without numbing myself with alcohol and dope.

davistld01 wrote:

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government...

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government to fund thousands of treatment centers & rehabs across America, and to pay for the certification of millions of CADAC (Certified Alcohol/Drug Addiction Counselors) during that time.

Addicts become addicts because of frequency of use. Most start using a substance habitually because it allows them to self-medicate feelings...and their inability to deal with life on lifes terms like those who do it without having to rely on a chemical or substance daily. The feeling one gets when one becomes addicted, both psychologically & physically gets to be "normal" for them, no matter how jacked up it makes them and how abnormal they appear to those around them.

The "Disease Concept" took all the responsibility away from the addict for destructive behavior or criminal activity. They "can't help it". I got sober by taking responsibility for my life...and with a lot of help from God above. It's what I still do every day! I choose to deal with life, be responsible for my life & be a productive human...without numbing myself with alcohol and dope.

FerCzD wrote:

Totally agree with it. Good for addicts that get their life together but is not something to be proud of in my opinion. Sobriety is the...

Totally agree with it. Good for addicts that get their life together but is not something to be proud of in my opinion. Sobriety is the natural state of any living animal (humans included) on earth, how they make it look as an accomplishment I just don't get it.

Tbteam wrote:

How do you catch addiction? I want to steer clear.

Kyle978 wrote:

The first step is a very clear decision - the artificial rush you get from drugs is a lot easier and more cuddly than facing reality...

The first step is a very clear decision - the artificial rush you get from drugs is a lot easier and more cuddly than facing reality day-to-day.

That part seems to get overlooked when it comes to "contracting" this "disease".

I've been down this road myself multiple times. It's a choice.

davistld01 wrote:

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government...

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government to fund thousands of treatment centers & rehabs across America, and to pay for the certification of millions of CADAC (Certified Alcohol/Drug Addiction Counselors) during that time.

Addicts become addicts because of frequency of use. Most start using a substance habitually because it allows them to self-medicate feelings...and their inability to deal with life on lifes terms like those who do it without having to rely on a chemical or substance daily. The feeling one gets when one becomes addicted, both psychologically & physically gets to be "normal" for them, no matter how jacked up it makes them and how abnormal they appear to those around them.

The "Disease Concept" took all the responsibility away from the addict for destructive behavior or criminal activity. They "can't help it". I got sober by taking responsibility for my life...and with a lot of help from God above. It's what I still do every day! I choose to deal with life, be responsible for my life & be a productive human...without numbing myself with alcohol and dope.

Kyle978 wrote:

The first step is a very clear decision - the artificial rush you get from drugs is a lot easier and more cuddly than facing reality...

The first step is a very clear decision - the artificial rush you get from drugs is a lot easier and more cuddly than facing reality day-to-day.

That part seems to get overlooked when it comes to "contracting" this "disease".

I've been down this road myself multiple times. It's a choice.

davistld01 wrote:

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government...

100% accurate. The "Disease Concept" of addiction is mostly bullshit, drummed up in the late 80's & early 90's as a way of getting the government to fund thousands of treatment centers & rehabs across America, and to pay for the certification of millions of CADAC (Certified Alcohol/Drug Addiction Counselors) during that time.

Addicts become addicts because of frequency of use. Most start using a substance habitually because it allows them to self-medicate feelings...and their inability to deal with life on lifes terms like those who do it without having to rely on a chemical or substance daily. The feeling one gets when one becomes addicted, both psychologically & physically gets to be "normal" for them, no matter how jacked up it makes them and how abnormal they appear to those around them.

The "Disease Concept" took all the responsibility away from the addict for destructive behavior or criminal activity. They "can't help it". I got sober by taking responsibility for my life...and with a lot of help from God above. It's what I still do every day! I choose to deal with life, be responsible for my life & be a productive human...without numbing myself with alcohol and dope.

ADynes wrote:

Not taking personal responsibility for addiction is at least as old as the 1930's, pushed by religious institutions like AA and other 12 step programs. Step...

Not taking personal responsibility for addiction is at least as old as the 1930's, pushed by religious institutions like AA and other 12 step programs.
Step 1: admit you are powerless over addiction.
Step 2: turn to a "higher power"
Etc.
I've heard success rates for this type of program are typically embellished, with early washouts and later relapses not being accurately accounted for. It's been quite a few years since listening to that podcast, I'll have to see if I can dig up those statistics.

That first step: "accept you are powerless" is the absolute worst approach, in my opinion.

davistld01 wrote:

Only 3% of addiction is brought on (even slightly) by genetic predisposition. Get your facts straight.

bite_the_curb wrote:

can you show me that data?

almost everyone i knew who was an addict had it in there family

Sandusky26 wrote:

You take amphetamines to do your job.

Crash81 wrote:

In my personal experience it's not important to define characteristics of addiction. It exists. That's enough to know. I believe the source of the problem is...

In my personal experience it's not important to define characteristics of addiction. It exists. That's enough to know. I believe the source of the problem is the institutionalized enabling in society. Consequences don't exists for people who screw up over and over because it's believed that consequences don't work. There's the problem. Apply meaningful and appropriate consequences and the problem will solve itself.

ByronFRiday wrote:

Risk vs Reward of a drug | pain med addiction returning to racing dirt bikes? Is the potential downside of putting yourself on the direct path...

Risk vs Reward of a drug | pain med addiction returning to racing dirt bikes?

Is the potential downside of putting yourself on the direct path of needing to use pain meds again worth the risks?

I had fibromyalgia disease - I needed to use pain meds for some time. I got addicted to the prescription. Today I'm 5yrs free of all dependency of the pain meds. Being addicted to pain meds is a living hell.

My own opinion; Nico is voluntarily putting himself in a risky and vulnerable position. Your fck'd if you get hook'd on the pain meds again. This is what potential self sabotage looks like.

ByronFRiday wrote:

Risk vs Reward of a drug | pain med addiction returning to racing dirt bikes? Is the potential downside of putting yourself on the direct path...

Risk vs Reward of a drug | pain med addiction returning to racing dirt bikes?

Is the potential downside of putting yourself on the direct path of needing to use pain meds again worth the risks?

I had fibromyalgia disease - I needed to use pain meds for some time. I got addicted to the prescription. Today I'm 5yrs free of all dependency of the pain meds. Being addicted to pain meds is a living hell.

My own opinion; Nico is voluntarily putting himself in a risky and vulnerable position. Your fck'd if you get hook'd on the pain meds again. This is what potential self sabotage looks like.

ByronFRiday wrote:

I am asking if it's prudent and wise for a pain med addict to return to an occupation and hobby that are catastrophically risky to the...

I am asking if it's prudent and wise for a pain med addict to return to an occupation and hobby that are catastrophically risky to the overall well being of the person. The potential pitfalls are high risk and catastrophic.

davistld01 wrote:

Only 3% of addiction is brought on (even slightly) by genetic predisposition. Get your facts straight.

bite_the_curb wrote:

can you show me that data?

almost everyone i knew who was an addict had it in there family

Leave Us To wrote:

9 pages about a rider who has yet to race in 2022. WTH BTW beware if Nico announces his comeback didn't work out so he has...

9 pages about a rider who has yet to race in 2022. WTH

BTW beware if Nico announces his comeback didn't work out so he has parts and gear to sell He burned a buddy of mine by taking money for a pair of wheels but never shipped them, Wish Nico the best with his recovery but not buying his return story at all.

davistld01 wrote:

Only 3% of addiction is brought on (even slightly) by genetic predisposition. Get your facts straight.

H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:

Sucks people give this guy chance after chance because he was fast before he became a drug addict chick beater. So many better dudes I can...

Sucks people give this guy chance after chance because he was fast before he became a drug addict chick beater. So many better dudes I can think of who are relevant and don't have a history of burning people in the sport.

ByronFRiday wrote:

I am asking if it's prudent and wise for a pain med addict to return to an occupation and hobby that are catastrophically risky to the...

I am asking if it's prudent and wise for a pain med addict to return to an occupation and hobby that are catastrophically risky to the overall well being of the person. The potential pitfalls are high risk and catastrophic.

J-Mill wrote:

Damn there’s a lot of self righteousness in this thread… Sucks what path he chose. Sounds like he served his time, paid his debt to society...

Damn there’s a lot of self righteousness in this thread… Sucks what path he chose. Sounds like he served his time, paid his debt to society and has learned how to keep the demons at bay. People do shit that they’d never do when they’ve been loaded on pills for years. As long as they don’t fall back into that pit of misery, their history shouldn’t define their future. He can use his story to help others from making the same mistakes. This shit happens to people everyday with pain pills.
Also, racers or adrenaline junkies in general need to ride or take their risks to get their “fix”. It’s a much better alternative to put in motos than to use your drug of choice. You just have to be real with yourself and know you can’t use pain meds like a “normal person”. Just until they bolt you back up and within a day or two you get someone to get those things away from you.
Not a single one of us are perfect, but what are you doing today!?

JMR1976 wrote:

Is the 3% percent consist of Native Americans? If you want to believe Native Americans struggles with alcoholism has nothing to do with their genetics there’s...

Is the 3% percent consist of Native Americans? If you want to believe Native Americans struggles with alcoholism has nothing to do with their genetics there’s nothing I can say that will change your mind.

ByronFRiday wrote:

Risk vs Reward of a drug | pain med addiction returning to racing dirt bikes? Is the potential downside of putting yourself on the direct path...

Risk vs Reward of a drug | pain med addiction returning to racing dirt bikes?

Is the potential downside of putting yourself on the direct path of needing to use pain meds again worth the risks?

I had fibromyalgia disease - I needed to use pain meds for some time. I got addicted to the prescription. Today I'm 5yrs free of all dependency of the pain meds. Being addicted to pain meds is a living hell.

My own opinion; Nico is voluntarily putting himself in a risky and vulnerable position. Your fck'd if you get hook'd on the pain meds again. This is what potential self sabotage looks like.

ByronFRiday wrote:

I am asking if it's prudent and wise for a pain med addict to return to an occupation and hobby that are catastrophically risky to the...

I am asking if it's prudent and wise for a pain med addict to return to an occupation and hobby that are catastrophically risky to the overall well being of the person. The potential pitfalls are high risk and catastrophic.

davistld01 wrote:

ANY addiction counselor worth his/her salt will plead with a recovering addict to change people, places & things that they at all associate with or were...

ANY addiction counselor worth his/her salt will plead with a recovering addict to change people, places & things that they at all associate with or were associated with when they were actively using. Thats why I questioned, in an earlier post, why anyone who cared at all about this kid would allow him to return to a sport that can include falling down and getting hurt...and would be an easy nosedive back into his opiod addiction if he was in a lot of pain. Tylenol doesn't cut it in those situations!

But, that's all he knows...and he probably doesn't want to work at a "real job" that requires a daily discipline and you're paid by the hour...but might keep him sober.