Vital Update on Deegan Bike Claim Story (interviews)

8/15/2022 8:57am
What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the dealer came after him and his dad . And then the kid still lost his support from dealer after pulling claim and lost his bikes . I don’t think Deegan had anything to do with that and that’s what I’m most upset about with this whole story
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8/15/2022 8:59am
Here's one for big reveal prep: Bobby Regan at Star told Weege that Star didn't want the motor opened because it would disclose what vendors made the internal parts. Others pointed out that this could mean Star would be embarassed by the revelation they don't use their sponsors' pertinent parts, they buy stuff from other companies instead, while letting the general public assume Star uses what the sponsors sell. So here is a link to Star's sponsor page: Star Racing Sponsors

Do you see candidates for sponsors in $$ only, not parts? Wossner pistons? NGK spark plugs? (Star's big power secret: a huge stash of NOS Splitfire plugs from the 90s!!!) Rekluse clutch? GYTR pieces?
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8/15/2022 9:03am
I have been trying to follow along and figure out Matt Walkers involvement with this whole thing. I get he is or was the trainer for Brennan, but why did he feel the need to get so involved with this whole shit show? Was their a falling out of sorts with Brennan and his father at the training facility, being loyal to the Deegan's, something else That part is perplexing to me. The whole the stinks and sad for Amateur MX in general. Why make rules if its "taboo" or a "gentleman's agreement"? GTFO of here with that. Deegan's have a history and if you talk with those that are not in their "loop" many will tell you the exact same thing. Haiden is an amazing talent, but the whole persona of "Danger Boy" and the videos has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. To add, I have heard (not personally experienced myself fwiw) that Haiden is really just about the cameras and kind of a dick to people. Hopefully that part changes because I think at the end of this whole thing, Deegan's have just put a huge target on their back as Haiden heads into his pro career. I guess it will make it better for his fan boys and those on the opposite end in regards to cheering/booing. Feels alot like Mike Alessi turning pro at this point. Lets see how this all plays out.
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8/15/2022 9:05am
What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the...
What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the dealer came after him and his dad . And then the kid still lost his support from dealer after pulling claim and lost his bikes . I don’t think Deegan had anything to do with that and that’s what I’m most upset about with this whole story
This is my biggest issue with everything. I completely understand Star/Deegan/whomever not wanting the bike claimed for WHATEVER reason. But the dealer apparently getting strong armed AND THEN pulling it's support for this kid after he backed down is a shit thing to do and really shines a bad light on Yamaha and the dealer.

The other one who looks horrible IMO is Matt Walker. There was absolutely zero reason for him to get involved. His place should have been to simply say "Not my pig, not my farm" and keep himself out of it unless he was going to support his guy. It would be interesting to hear his side and reasoning to why he even got involved.
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8/15/2022 9:07am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 9:13am
I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull...
I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull dealership or fight the engine guy . I’m sure if it was my kid going for a championship at Loretta’s and still has a race to go I would want to protect my kid also and wonder if this because the pass history at Southwick few months back . I think the main problem is it’s all it is Matt walker Yamaha and the dealer going after the kid and father .
Deegan should have had no place in any of this. It's not his bike. The AMA had already provided accommodation for Haiden's 2nd class.

He said on his YouTube that Brennan was "playing dirty" (by doing exactly what the rules say) and that the reason they wouldn't forfeit the bike is because it has too much development into the motor. Which is exactly the reason the rules say they must forfeit the bike at penalty of suspension.

And he certainly had no reason at all to be alone in a room with an unaccompanied competing kid for an extended period. That is 100% shady shit.

And that's not even addressing all the shenanigans that were potentially going on behind the scenes with other motors and manufacturer reps/dealers/trainers.
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Nice job. Journalism is Back!
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Deegan should have had no place in any of this. It's not his bike. The AMA had already provided accommodation for Haiden's 2nd class. He said...
Deegan should have had no place in any of this. It's not his bike. The AMA had already provided accommodation for Haiden's 2nd class.

He said on his YouTube that Brennan was "playing dirty" (by doing exactly what the rules say) and that the reason they wouldn't forfeit the bike is because it has too much development into the motor. Which is exactly the reason the rules say they must forfeit the bike at penalty of suspension.

And he certainly had no reason at all to be alone in a room with an unaccompanied competing kid for an extended period. That is 100% shady shit.

And that's not even addressing all the shenanigans that were potentially going on behind the scenes with other motors and manufacturer reps/dealers/trainers.
Psst - per ama "rules" (like they matter anymore, i'm certainly done following them), the rider is responsible for All the people in his pit... if Brian did indeed step over lines, it will fall on haidens shoulders...
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8/15/2022 9:17am
speedman wrote:
Here's one for big reveal prep: Bobby Regan at Star told Weege that Star didn't want the motor opened because it would disclose what vendors made...
Here's one for big reveal prep: Bobby Regan at Star told Weege that Star didn't want the motor opened because it would disclose what vendors made the internal parts. Others pointed out that this could mean Star would be embarassed by the revelation they don't use their sponsors' pertinent parts, they buy stuff from other companies instead, while letting the general public assume Star uses what the sponsors sell. So here is a link to Star's sponsor page: Star Racing Sponsors

Do you see candidates for sponsors in $$ only, not parts? Wossner pistons? NGK spark plugs? (Star's big power secret: a huge stash of NOS Splitfire plugs from the 90s!!!) Rekluse clutch? GYTR pieces?
Naw it’s not about the vender parts. It’s about the Double Boost port on the intake side. With a well trained ear you can hear it. It has a turbo effect but sounds more like a super charger and a turbo. That’s what makes it so neat. A properly placed and shaped Double Boost port can dislocate a riders eye balls. That’s why you see Deegan putting eye
Drops in b4 a moto. The eye drops increase the muscle strength. Of course 27% of the clutch is slipped on starts. I thought everyone knew that.
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8/15/2022 9:45am
I wonder if this whole shit show will have any real effect on what the factories send to these so called amateur championship events. If the AMA changes anything about the claiming rule that will say a lot more than rumor or interviews.
I still would buy a Blue Pig though.
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My opinion, not that it matters, is in the end I believe we will see that a 17yo kid lied & was manipulated by an engine builder to claim the bike. Once daddy found out what was going on he pulled the plug. Now said 17yo is trying to chase all the clout he can.
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I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull...
I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull dealership or fight the engine guy . I’m sure if it was my kid going for a championship at Loretta’s and still has a race to go I would want to protect my kid also and wonder if this because the pass history at Southwick few months back . I think the main problem is it’s all it is Matt walker Yamaha and the dealer going after the kid and father .
How can you say that without knowing what was said behind closed doors?
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8/15/2022 9:50am
TriRacer27 wrote:
I would just like to point out: Deegan bike claim: 67 pages across 5 threads All-time championship battle between Tomac and Sexton: 4 pages Tim Gajser...
I would just like to point out:


Deegan bike claim: 67 pages across 5 threads

All-time championship battle between Tomac and Sexton: 4 pages

Tim Gajser wins MXGP title: Tim who?



Vital's a weird place man.
people like drama.

It certainly is interesting.
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8/15/2022 9:52am
B Gotti wrote:
My opinion, not that it matters, is in the end I believe we will see that a 17yo kid lied & was manipulated by an engine...
My opinion, not that it matters, is in the end I believe we will see that a 17yo kid lied & was manipulated by an engine builder to claim the bike. Once daddy found out what was going on he pulled the plug. Now said 17yo is trying to chase all the clout he can.
I don't think so.
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8/15/2022 9:55am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 10:11am
B Gotti wrote:
My opinion, not that it matters, is in the end I believe we will see that a 17yo kid lied & was manipulated by an engine...
My opinion, not that it matters, is in the end I believe we will see that a 17yo kid lied & was manipulated by an engine builder to claim the bike. Once daddy found out what was going on he pulled the plug. Now said 17yo is trying to chase all the clout he can.
Nah. Doesn't work with the timeline.

Prior to the second meeting where their dealer insisted they stop the claim (why were there any meetings at all, other than to sign a bill of sale?), Brennan's Dad went down to impound, and dealt with the AMA to ensure the motor chain of custody would be upheld.
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8/15/2022 9:57am
Sore Loser wrote:
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been...
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been my overarching premise since post 1.

I think the engine builder did an excellent job of articulating his position, why stories (justifiably) wont match, and basically asked everyone for a bit of levity in this situation.

The engine builder was even man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter after all this. Yet we still see the forum dumping on the guy.

It was a hornets nest in the moment. Everyone, with exception of Brennan, probably wishes they’d acted differently. Things got said, leaked, story grew from there in the moment, and now after a few days to reflect, Derek Harris feels much different about it all - so should most of the mob. Good luck getting a refund on the pitchforks tho, the receipts were used to light the torch fires.

Heck, I bet at this point even Brennan wishes he’d done a few things differently. Like not drop the claim. Or maybe not, i dont expect adult level contrition from him. It took me 10+ years to look back when I was 17 and finally admit I could’ve acted differently in situations much less dynamic than this.

As of right now, EVERY party involved looks better than originally indicated with the exception of Matt Walker and Yamaha Donnie. They still got a deep hole to dig out of but we’ve yet to hear their side. And incredibly, ML is going to get them to talk.
mw43 wrote:
The engine builder was man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter for reasons completely diffrent then why the forum is dumping on the him...
The engine builder was man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter for reasons completely diffrent then why the forum is dumping on the him. Keep trying.
Yes. I still stand by Cotter being involved at all, taking the kid into a room by himself while the AMA official was gone tagging the...
Yes. I still stand by Cotter being involved at all, taking the kid into a room by himself while the AMA official was gone tagging the bike, and then allowing Deegan to join them is one of the largest issues. Whether or not that affected the outcome does not matter. He had no business doing that as the promotor of the event. He should not have been involved in any way.
Couldn't agree more.
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8/15/2022 10:09am
Zycki11 wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on if I am correct on this? Sounds like Star brought a "not your typical" amateur bike for Deegan and it was...
Can someone enlighten me on if I am correct on this? Sounds like Star brought a "not your typical" amateur bike for Deegan and it was claimed. Star tried to swap the motor out but had to borrow one from Ferry? Then the amateur who claimed the bike was left alone in a tent and claims that someone has contacted the dealership supplying bikes to him and they threatened the licensure for Yamaha support of that dealership if he didn't walk back the claim?
Utah Moto wrote:
My dude. Go read. It’s probably on every page of a few threads.
I would, but i don't know how
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8/15/2022 10:12am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 10:13am
Sore Loser wrote:
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been...
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been my overarching premise since post 1.

I think the engine builder did an excellent job of articulating his position, why stories (justifiably) wont match, and basically asked everyone for a bit of levity in this situation.

The engine builder was even man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter after all this. Yet we still see the forum dumping on the guy.

It was a hornets nest in the moment. Everyone, with exception of Brennan, probably wishes they’d acted differently. Things got said, leaked, story grew from there in the moment, and now after a few days to reflect, Derek Harris feels much different about it all - so should most of the mob. Good luck getting a refund on the pitchforks tho, the receipts were used to light the torch fires.

Heck, I bet at this point even Brennan wishes he’d done a few things differently. Like not drop the claim. Or maybe not, i dont expect adult level contrition from him. It took me 10+ years to look back when I was 17 and finally admit I could’ve acted differently in situations much less dynamic than this.

As of right now, EVERY party involved looks better than originally indicated with the exception of Matt Walker and Yamaha Donnie. They still got a deep hole to dig out of but we’ve yet to hear their side. And incredibly, ML is going to get them to talk.
Utah Moto wrote:
this guy is funny. He’s trying to maintain this middle of the road opinion but anyone with a brain can see his bias and obvious mission...
this guy is funny. He’s trying to maintain this middle of the road opinion but anyone with a brain can see his bias and obvious mission he’s on to run defense for the deegans. I just want to know who in the Deegan camp put him up to it or if it’s dirtbag deegan himself. Cowards surround themselves with like minded people so it’s no surprise he won’t be a man about who he is when a few have asked. Hope you’re getting paid for your time.
ctbale wrote:
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun...
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun to watch, adds to this shitshow, for me anyway.
They're in the know for sure.

While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main tenants of the story. They however are doing all they can do to direct focus away from MxSports and Deegan to Yamaha and Others.... and from what I have been told, Yam/Star/Walker is the rightful place to direct most of this heat. Unless MXSports told Yamaha Don to pull strings, we are looking for another villain here.
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captmoto wrote:
I wonder if this whole shit show will have any real effect on what the factories send to these so called amateur championship events. If the...
I wonder if this whole shit show will have any real effect on what the factories send to these so called amateur championship events. If the AMA changes anything about the claiming rule that will say a lot more than rumor or interviews.
I still would buy a Blue Pig though.
Already has in the form of deals for next year and committed equipment.......
8/15/2022 10:19am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 10:21am
Utah Moto wrote:
this guy is funny. He’s trying to maintain this middle of the road opinion but anyone with a brain can see his bias and obvious mission...
this guy is funny. He’s trying to maintain this middle of the road opinion but anyone with a brain can see his bias and obvious mission he’s on to run defense for the deegans. I just want to know who in the Deegan camp put him up to it or if it’s dirtbag deegan himself. Cowards surround themselves with like minded people so it’s no surprise he won’t be a man about who he is when a few have asked. Hope you’re getting paid for your time.
ctbale wrote:
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun...
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun to watch, adds to this shitshow, for me anyway.
MxKing809 wrote:
They're in the know for sure. While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main...
They're in the know for sure.

While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main tenants of the story. They however are doing all they can do to direct focus away from MxSports and Deegan to Yamaha and Others.... and from what I have been told, Yam/Star/Walker is the rightful place to direct most of this heat. Unless MXSports told Yamaha Don to pull strings, we are looking for another villain here.
MXSports is under fire for actively creating/fostering an environment where a competitor could bully a kid in their offices over multiple days rather than leaving the rule enforcement detail to the AMA guys.
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8/15/2022 10:27am
What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the...
What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the dealer came after him and his dad . And then the kid still lost his support from dealer after pulling claim and lost his bikes . I don’t think Deegan had anything to do with that and that’s what I’m most upset about with this whole story
ga_pike wrote:
This is my biggest issue with everything. I completely understand Star/Deegan/whomever not wanting the bike claimed for WHATEVER reason. But the dealer apparently getting strong armed...
This is my biggest issue with everything. I completely understand Star/Deegan/whomever not wanting the bike claimed for WHATEVER reason. But the dealer apparently getting strong armed AND THEN pulling it's support for this kid after he backed down is a shit thing to do and really shines a bad light on Yamaha and the dealer.

The other one who looks horrible IMO is Matt Walker. There was absolutely zero reason for him to get involved. His place should have been to simply say "Not my pig, not my farm" and keep himself out of it unless he was going to support his guy. It would be interesting to hear his side and reasoning to why he even got involved.
I'm speculating here, but you know that Yamaha/Star/Brian Deegan were scrambling like hell to try and figure out how to respond to the claim. Somebody figured out that the kid was being trained by Matt Walker and it was decided that they would lean on Walker to get at the kid.

It's obvious that Walker was coordinating with the whole cabal because he was the one who blindsided the kid by inviting him to his camp without telling him Luce would be there to ambush.
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I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull...
I don’t think the Deegans did anything wrong here they weren’t the ones yelling at the kid and father they weren’t the ones threatening to pull dealership or fight the engine guy . I’m sure if it was my kid going for a championship at Loretta’s and still has a race to go I would want to protect my kid also and wonder if this because the pass history at Southwick few months back . I think the main problem is it’s all it is Matt walker Yamaha and the dealer going after the kid and father .
Deegan should have had no place in any of this. It's not his bike. The AMA had already provided accommodation for Haiden's 2nd class. He said...
Deegan should have had no place in any of this. It's not his bike. The AMA had already provided accommodation for Haiden's 2nd class.

He said on his YouTube that Brennan was "playing dirty" (by doing exactly what the rules say) and that the reason they wouldn't forfeit the bike is because it has too much development into the motor. Which is exactly the reason the rules say they must forfeit the bike at penalty of suspension.

And he certainly had no reason at all to be alone in a room with an unaccompanied competing kid for an extended period. That is 100% shady shit.

And that's not even addressing all the shenanigans that were potentially going on behind the scenes with other motors and manufacturer reps/dealers/trainers.
Yeah, Deegan in the room with the kid and Walker threatening the motor builder are 2 of the 3 worst issues here... The other is how the dealer got involved (still somewhat unknown to the masses) and went after the kid and his dad.

Deegan had no right to be anywhere near the issue, Walker was just absolutely over the line and if there was Yamaha influence in the dealers decision, heads must roll...
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ctbale wrote:
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun...
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun to watch, adds to this shitshow, for me anyway.
MxKing809 wrote:
They're in the know for sure. While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main...
They're in the know for sure.

While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main tenants of the story. They however are doing all they can do to direct focus away from MxSports and Deegan to Yamaha and Others.... and from what I have been told, Yam/Star/Walker is the rightful place to direct most of this heat. Unless MXSports told Yamaha Don to pull strings, we are looking for another villain here.
MXSports is under fire for actively creating/fostering an environment where a competitor could bully a kid in their offices over multiple days rather than leaving the...
MXSports is under fire for actively creating/fostering an environment where a competitor could bully a kid in their offices over multiple days rather than leaving the rule enforcement detail to the AMA guys.
100% in agreement there man.

If we are divining out lashes though, MxSports et al should get 25% of what the rest should get.
8/15/2022 10:40am
Zycki11 wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on if I am correct on this? Sounds like Star brought a "not your typical" amateur bike for Deegan and it was...
Can someone enlighten me on if I am correct on this? Sounds like Star brought a "not your typical" amateur bike for Deegan and it was claimed. Star tried to swap the motor out but had to borrow one from Ferry? Then the amateur who claimed the bike was left alone in a tent and claims that someone has contacted the dealership supplying bikes to him and they threatened the licensure for Yamaha support of that dealership if he didn't walk back the claim?
Utah Moto wrote:
My dude. Go read. It’s probably on every page of a few threads.
Zycki11 wrote:
I would, but i don't know how
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ctbale wrote:
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun...
Yea, he is definitely someone thats been hired by the deegans. I think is interesting following him. Trying to show neutrality but he's slipping up. Fun to watch, adds to this shitshow, for me anyway.
MxKing809 wrote:
They're in the know for sure. While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main...
They're in the know for sure.

While the mob here is rightfully so justified in their distain for Sore Loser, we actually agree on the main tenants of the story. They however are doing all they can do to direct focus away from MxSports and Deegan to Yamaha and Others.... and from what I have been told, Yam/Star/Walker is the rightful place to direct most of this heat. Unless MXSports told Yamaha Don to pull strings, we are looking for another villain here.
MXSports is under fire for actively creating/fostering an environment where a competitor could bully a kid in their offices over multiple days rather than leaving the...
MXSports is under fire for actively creating/fostering an environment where a competitor could bully a kid in their offices over multiple days rather than leaving the rule enforcement detail to the AMA guys.
Which is why MX sports should clean house, terminate the employee/employees involved, issue a statement and distance themselves from the issue. Show that they took action and be done with it.

Instead, DC writes an article claiming a video posted on the internet was "very misleading", etc. then goes on to provide details that are now appearing to be lies. This is straight from the top person at the series promotor company. That's flat out unacceptable.

I've been a staunch defender of DC up until this incident, even through all the video issues etc. I can't defend him any longer in this case. Its indefensible.

The only way to unfuck this situation is to terminate employees who screwed up, issue a public statement, and move on from the incident thus distancing themselves from any other party involved. This deal isn't going to just go away at this point. Action must be taken.
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8/15/2022 10:54am
If Walker went after his own CLIENT, that is pretty spineless.
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If Walker went after his own CLIENT, that is pretty spineless.
How any rider or team would ever want to work with him again in the future is beyond me. There are way too many other good choices. By default his own behavior in this incident will have black-balled him from working in the industry. You make your bed, you lay in it. Tough shit, Walker.
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8/15/2022 11:01am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 11:05am
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If Walker went after his own CLIENT, that is pretty spineless.
Walkers name was already incredibly tarnished.... now it's utter garbage...

And now DC is in the dog house, and deservedly so... Deep in the dog house..!.. problem is- his monopoly... he's the race promoter, as well as the sanctioning body, as well as the largest media source... gonna be a long, hard, fall from grace for DC....
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8/15/2022 11:02am
ns503 wrote:
You just twisted his words.

'account doesn't match' does not equal 'completely different account'.

Sore Loser wrote:
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been...
Correct. I in no way think Brennan looks worse after the engine builder interview. I expected stories to not line up fully all along. It’s been my overarching premise since post 1.

I think the engine builder did an excellent job of articulating his position, why stories (justifiably) wont match, and basically asked everyone for a bit of levity in this situation.

The engine builder was even man enough to want to apologize to Tim Cotter after all this. Yet we still see the forum dumping on the guy.

It was a hornets nest in the moment. Everyone, with exception of Brennan, probably wishes they’d acted differently. Things got said, leaked, story grew from there in the moment, and now after a few days to reflect, Derek Harris feels much different about it all - so should most of the mob. Good luck getting a refund on the pitchforks tho, the receipts were used to light the torch fires.

Heck, I bet at this point even Brennan wishes he’d done a few things differently. Like not drop the claim. Or maybe not, i dont expect adult level contrition from him. It took me 10+ years to look back when I was 17 and finally admit I could’ve acted differently in situations much less dynamic than this.

As of right now, EVERY party involved looks better than originally indicated with the exception of Matt Walker and Yamaha Donnie. They still got a deep hole to dig out of but we’ve yet to hear their side. And incredibly, ML is going to get them to talk.
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Not trying to take everything you say apart but you don’t ever correctly address the entirety of what’s said, Derrick said now that he’s cooled off...
Not trying to take everything you say apart but you don’t ever correctly address the entirety of what’s said, Derrick said now that he’s cooled off he wishes he would have treated Tim differently in the moment only because he understands his stance as a promoter where he is coming from. He never said Tim was not in the wrong severely for inserting himself or going into a room to bully a minor. Tim was out of line and that’s apparent and Derek knows that. He just said he gets it from his perspective, it doesn’t forgive Cotters participation in the events any. Also if anything is certain after the interview it’s that they look as bad as initially thought or worse, it’s starting to narrow the truth down not the severity of the crime
I interpreted it differently than you then I guess. Seemed to me that Derek didn’t feel Cotter or Deegan did anything wrong.

When Matt Walker’s name was brought up tho, boy did things take a turn. Should be interesting to hear his version. He’s got the benefit of batting cleanup. But again, very deep hole to dig out of imo.
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What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the...
What I don’t like about the whole story is the dealer. The kid was going to go through with the claim all the way tell the dealer came after him and his dad . And then the kid still lost his support from dealer after pulling claim and lost his bikes . I don’t think Deegan had anything to do with that and that’s what I’m most upset about with this whole story
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This is my biggest issue with everything. I completely understand Star/Deegan/whomever not wanting the bike claimed for WHATEVER reason. But the dealer apparently getting strong armed...
This is my biggest issue with everything. I completely understand Star/Deegan/whomever not wanting the bike claimed for WHATEVER reason. But the dealer apparently getting strong armed AND THEN pulling it's support for this kid after he backed down is a shit thing to do and really shines a bad light on Yamaha and the dealer.

The other one who looks horrible IMO is Matt Walker. There was absolutely zero reason for him to get involved. His place should have been to simply say "Not my pig, not my farm" and keep himself out of it unless he was going to support his guy. It would be interesting to hear his side and reasoning to why he even got involved.
I'm speculating here, but you know that Yamaha/Star/Brian Deegan were scrambling like hell to try and figure out how to respond to the claim. Somebody figured...
I'm speculating here, but you know that Yamaha/Star/Brian Deegan were scrambling like hell to try and figure out how to respond to the claim. Somebody figured out that the kid was being trained by Matt Walker and it was decided that they would lean on Walker to get at the kid.

It's obvious that Walker was coordinating with the whole cabal because he was the one who blindsided the kid by inviting him to his camp without telling him Luce would be there to ambush.
Matt Walker in 'Douche' shocker....

Who'da thought
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8/15/2022 11:08am
Any reason Ping and GLs video on the subject Hasn’t been posted on this site? Is Ping black listed from vital even though everyone said it was a “mutual” ending?
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