Brennan Schofield interview about his Deegan bike claim!

TbonesPop wrote:

In hearing this from Weege and reading through DC's explanation of their side of the story, there's quite a bit of information that corroborates what Brennan...

In hearing this from Weege and reading through DC's explanation of their side of the story, there's quite a bit of information that corroborates what Brennan said. One of the main differences is that there was a separate meeting that also included Burkeen (plausible) and that the meeting was 5 minutes versus 30 minutes. Nothing happens in 5 minutes. Its likely that the meeting was in between 5 and 30 minutes. Probably felt like 30 minutes to Brennan which tells me he was getting grilled - to a teenage, that could have felt like a lifetime.

DC was very careful to point out that Cotter (nor any other MXSports person) didn't try to coerce or bully Brennan. Specifically omitted Deegan from the coercion / bullying claim. That's telling.

I could see how Cotter could have been really befuddled in this situation. Shell shocked at first, then befuddled. Situation likely evolved quickly.

To me this is looking less bad for Cotter - not good by any stretch, but not nearly as bad as initially. Not looking good for Deegan or Yamaha.

Was the Yamaha rep Donnie Luce? Still need to confirm who that was that supposedly was calling the sponsor dealership.

chaseodc wrote:

Cotter and Deegan should not have been involved at all, correct? Should have between Star rep, Ama, and Brennan.

Sore Loser wrote:

From DC’s take Cotter was brought in to handle the bike custody per protocol. If that’s the policy, it’s a bad one. Promoters have too many...

From DC’s take Cotter was brought in to handle the bike custody per protocol. If that’s the policy, it’s a bad one. Promoters have too many ties to sponsors and that creates a conflict of interest with riders.

That said, if he was following protocol, it gives him a pass.

Brian was apparently allowed to be involved in the custody discussion. By AMA, DC’s account, and if we’re being honest, Brennan’s dad. If that’s the case, Brian has been unfairly shit on.

But again, protocol needs to change. Both parents need to be present or NO parents present imo.

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

mb60 wrote:

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in...

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in the day for that to happen one would assume.

dkurtd wrote:

It was discussed the dealer was there with his son.

Sore Loser wrote:

The dealer was at LL?

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

MxKing809 wrote:

A decent amount of this isn’t wrong. We have heard a lot about Yamaha this and that, but has anyone cited when and how their involvement...

A decent amount of this isn’t wrong.

We have heard a lot about Yamaha this and that, but has anyone cited when and how their involvement began?

Press516 wrote:

The engine builder video solidifies what most of us have been saying and thinking all along... Brennan got hosed... Strong-armed, cheated out of a legitimate claim...

The engine builder video solidifies what most of us have been saying and thinking all along... Brennan got hosed... Strong-armed, cheated out of a legitimate claim. His dealer sponsor is part of the problem.

Screw Yamaha.

brlatm wrote:

TFS warned us all years ago, right on Steve Bruhn, right on.

Press516 wrote:

The engine builder video solidifies what most of us have been saying and thinking all along... Brennan got hosed... Strong-armed, cheated out of a legitimate claim...

The engine builder video solidifies what most of us have been saying and thinking all along... Brennan got hosed... Strong-armed, cheated out of a legitimate claim. His dealer sponsor is part of the problem.

Screw Yamaha.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Sounds like it was his dealer sponsor coming at his dad really hot that got the claim dropped

wide open wally wrote:

How do we not know Deegan just didn’t talk to the kid? I mean he’s gonna be pissed. But he’s already stated no ill will towards...

How do we not know Deegan just didn’t talk to the kid? I mean he’s gonna be pissed. But he’s already stated no ill will towards the kid. Should he have even been able to? Probably not but how do you know the kid isn’t exaggerating that part of the story just like the money part. Bunch of Karen’s in here. Don’t watch Motocross today either. Burn your blue stuff. Get your pitchforks and go

blockhead17 wrote:

Being mad at a Bunch of adults blackmailing a kid out of something he had every right to have? Doesn’t make us karens.. Shit I’d pay...

Being mad at a Bunch of adults blackmailing a kid out of something he had every right to have? Doesn’t make us karens..
Shit I’d pay $17k for a full blown star bike. Like right now!!

wide open wally wrote:

There’s being mad and then theirs boycotting MX sports. Again. None of you guys should watch Unadilla today! Don’t flip it on.

brlatm wrote:

TFS warned us all years ago, right on Steve Bruhn, right on.

mooch wrote:

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events...

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events proves he was right about that!

NO DOUBT--- Tim Cotter needs to be fired. If he stays, just shows that DC is every bit as complicit as the other goons in that room.

brlatm wrote:

TFS warned us all years ago, right on Steve Bruhn, right on.

mooch wrote:

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events...

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events proves he was right about that!

NO DOUBT--- Tim Cotter needs to be fired. If he stays, just shows that DC is every bit as complicit as the other goons in that room.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

The engine builder doesn’t make it out like Tim cotter was the problem in this it was Yamaha , Matt walker and the dealer

plowboy wrote:

One of the first things I learned at the NCO Academy...remove ALL "appearance of impropriety". If it looks like you "could" have...then you might as well...

One of the first things I learned at the NCO Academy...remove ALL "appearance of impropriety". If it looks like you "could" have...then you might as well have done it in the court of public opinion.

I don't know if this kid is as innocent as he comes off or if everyone else is as evil as they appear.

What I do know is that the whole situation should have been handled differently. The entire fiasco could and should have been avoided with pre-planning and "set-in stone" proceedures.

Even if there was no "ill intent or coercion" by any party involved...the lack of protocols and control of the situation...presents the "appearance of impropriety".

Imo...Deegan should not have been allowed in the same room as this kid...period. That would pretty much have eliminated him from the equation.

I'm not sure what the rules are for an under 18 purchasing a vehicle. Can a 17 year old walk into a dealership with a fist full of cash and buy a bike or a car? Someone here knows.

If dad was not involved but was at the event and COULD have been but chose not too...what does that say? Idk what to think about that.

Lots of questions...not many answers.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Sounds like the dealer put the father and son on blast and that’s what killed everything

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Sounds like the dealer put the father and son on blast and that’s what killed everything

Press516 wrote:

But why??? Why would his dealer sponsor care at all about this??? Brennan is buying a near factory race bike while following the rules 100%. The...

But why??? Why would his dealer sponsor care at all about this??? Brennan is buying a near factory race bike while following the rules 100%. The why is the issue... It looks like the why is a threat/pressure from Yamaha. No other reason for the dealer to lose his mind over this unless he thought he might lose his franchise.

Magoofan wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/14/563983/s780_let_Brennen_buy.jpg[/img] Too priceless not to share in all these threads.

Too priceless not to share in all these threads.

brlatm wrote:

TFS warned us all years ago, right on Steve Bruhn, right on.

mooch wrote:

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events...

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events proves he was right about that!

NO DOUBT--- Tim Cotter needs to be fired. If he stays, just shows that DC is every bit as complicit as the other goons in that room.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

The engine builder doesn’t make it out like Tim cotter was the problem in this it was Yamaha , Matt walker and the dealer

Dirty Points wrote:

The focus on the kid's finances seems disengenuous, misplaced, and irrelevent. 1) Kid never said he saved the entire sum in a few months. He just...

The focus on the kid's finances seems disengenuous, misplaced, and irrelevent.

1) Kid never said he saved the entire sum in a few months. He just said he decided to buy the bike months ago and started pooling his working money towards that goal, without reference to his starting point.

2) Kid may have had additional help from Mom, Dad, sponsors, the Saudis, whoever-the-fuck. So what? He doesn't need to say, "Shoutout to Meemaw on helping me claim this Star amateur bike."

3) Most importantly, it doesn't matter where he got his money! His engine guy could have given him all of it just to fuck with Star, and the rule and its intent are still perfectly upheld. That intent is to discourage teams from doing just what Deegan/Star seemingly did: line up an unobtainium machine in amateur competition.

NorCalRedRyder wrote:

Could be true. But he also mentioned 7 to 10 times in the video he "busted his ass" to earn the money to do this. Also...

Could be true. But he also mentioned 7 to 10 times in the video he "busted his ass" to earn the money to do this. Also said that his Dad said if he wanted to do this it was on him. Another thing was the reasoning his engine builder was with him constantly? Wouldn't a top level engine builder be pretty busy at Lorettas? Yet he happens to be cruising around with this kid and his Dad on a golf cart all day for all this drama? 5 seats set up at Walker's pit? Him, the Dad, motor guy, Walker and Donnie from Yamaha? Kinda random. Curious to see how this plays out.

Dirty Points wrote:

All those questions are 100% immaterial. Doesn't matter if the kid busted his ass or sat on it. Doesn't matter if Dad was hands-off or helped...

All those questions are 100% immaterial.

Doesn't matter if the kid busted his ass or sat on it. Doesn't matter if Dad was hands-off or helped finance it in nearly full. Doesn't matter what Harris spends his time at Loretta's doing. Doesn't matter how many folding chairs people set up under their canopy or for whom. And it doesn't matter if Harris wanted a look inside that amateur Yamaha motor -- which I wouldn't blame him if he did, especially after Star's reaction.

mooch wrote:

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events...

Yep, now makes sense why Teefus referred to DC/mxsports/racerx as "the octopus" . He came to that conclusion back in the early 2000's and current events proves he was right about that!

NO DOUBT--- Tim Cotter needs to be fired. If he stays, just shows that DC is every bit as complicit as the other goons in that room.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

The engine builder doesn’t make it out like Tim cotter was the problem in this it was Yamaha , Matt walker and the dealer

Dirty Points wrote:

But the engine builder also says he wasn't in the room with Brennan Schofield, Brian Deegan, and Cotter when the objectionable portion of Cotter's involvement occured...

But the engine builder also says he wasn't in the room with Brennan Schofield, Brian Deegan, and Cotter when the objectionable portion of Cotter's involvement occured. He also confirmed it was "At least 20-25 min", pretty close to what Brennan stated, and a far cry from what DC did.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

The engine builder doesn’t make it out like Tim cotter was the problem in this it was Yamaha , Matt walker and the dealer

Dirty Points wrote:

But the engine builder also says he wasn't in the room with Brennan Schofield, Brian Deegan, and Cotter when the objectionable portion of Cotter's involvement occured...

But the engine builder also says he wasn't in the room with Brennan Schofield, Brian Deegan, and Cotter when the objectionable portion of Cotter's involvement occured. He also confirmed it was "At least 20-25 min", pretty close to what Brennan stated, and a far cry from what DC did.

8tensolutions wrote:

Cotter is NOT an AMA official and had a minor in a room for 15 minutes then allows Deegan to join who also had no reason...

Cotter is NOT an AMA official and had a minor in a room for 15 minutes then allows Deegan to join who also had no reason to have access to the claimant. The issue is all between Brennan and the AMA. Cotter and everyone else should have let the AMA handle it and the AMA appears to have been handling it well. This is a terrible look for Matt Walker and Yamaha, but Cotter represents MX Sports and is the face of most important Amateur race on the planet.....that comes with responsibility and he now failed in that responsibility in a big way. He should be gone 100%. Brennan should clearly find another dealer to support him and never return to Moto X, but thats his call. Cotter is DC's call and the answer is extremely clear.

mb60 wrote:

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in...

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in the day for that to happen one would assume.

dkurtd wrote:

It was discussed the dealer was there with his son.

Sore Loser wrote:

The dealer was at LL?

Dirty Points wrote:

But the engine builder also says he wasn't in the room with Brennan Schofield, Brian Deegan, and Cotter when the objectionable portion of Cotter's involvement occured...

But the engine builder also says he wasn't in the room with Brennan Schofield, Brian Deegan, and Cotter when the objectionable portion of Cotter's involvement occured. He also confirmed it was "At least 20-25 min", pretty close to what Brennan stated, and a far cry from what DC did.

8tensolutions wrote:

Cotter is NOT an AMA official and had a minor in a room for 15 minutes then allows Deegan to join who also had no reason...

Cotter is NOT an AMA official and had a minor in a room for 15 minutes then allows Deegan to join who also had no reason to have access to the claimant. The issue is all between Brennan and the AMA. Cotter and everyone else should have let the AMA handle it and the AMA appears to have been handling it well. This is a terrible look for Matt Walker and Yamaha, but Cotter represents MX Sports and is the face of most important Amateur race on the planet.....that comes with responsibility and he now failed in that responsibility in a big way. He should be gone 100%. Brennan should clearly find another dealer to support him and never return to Moto X, but thats his call. Cotter is DC's call and the answer is extremely clear.

jstein639 wrote:

DC tried to say that "(Deegan was in there as the father of the kid whose bike was claimed--he had a right to be.)" on RacerX...

DC tried to say that "(Deegan was in there as the father of the kid whose bike was claimed--he had a right to be.)" on RacerX. See https://racerxonline.com/2022/08/12/racerhead-32.

I would love to know why he "had a right to be" there. The second Deegan lined up with that bike he forfeited his right to have any say in what happens if the bike is claimed--so what purpose could it have served to let him attend except to try to either talk the kid out of it, or protest a non-protestable rule in some way?

And just so we're clear, I don't see anything in the rules that say that the bike being claimed's past owner has a right to be present with the claimant:

https://mxsports.com/supplemental-rules

"J. Claiming
1. All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are claiming
meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent over (50
percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s suggested
retail price using the Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle
Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or NADA appraisal guide
and include the complete motorcycle, supermini or
minicycle. Vintage- and ATV-class equipment shall be
excluded from the claiming rule.
2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claimant may enter a claim with
the referee any time during the meet but no later than 30
minutes after the race results of the event in which the
claimant has competed are posted. There will be no
additional time added to this process in the event of a
claim.
3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.
4. If more than one claim is received for the same motorcycle,
the meet referee will hold a drawing to determine the
successful claimant.
5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year.
6. A rider may not enter a claim on their own equipment.
7. Any rider deemed by the AMA to be complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule (i.e. placing a claim with
the intent of returning the motorcycle to the original owner),
will be subject to a 1-year suspension of competition
privileges."

"The claiming rule value is two times the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) at [Loretta Lynn's]."


Seriously, why was Brian Deegan there and allowed to have any contact with Brennan? His only relevant purpose would be to deliver the bill of sale, per the rulebook, and there didn't need to be any contact between he and Brennan.

jstein639 wrote:

DC tried to say that "(Deegan was in there as the father of the kid whose bike was claimed--he had a right to be.)" on RacerX...

DC tried to say that "(Deegan was in there as the father of the kid whose bike was claimed--he had a right to be.)" on RacerX. See https://racerxonline.com/2022/08/12/racerhead-32.

I would love to know why he "had a right to be" there. The second Deegan lined up with that bike he forfeited his right to have any say in what happens if the bike is claimed--so what purpose could it have served to let him attend except to try to either talk the kid out of it, or protest a non-protestable rule in some way?

And just so we're clear, I don't see anything in the rules that say that the bike being claimed's past owner has a right to be present with the claimant:

https://mxsports.com/supplemental-rules

"J. Claiming
1. All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are claiming
meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent over (50
percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s suggested
retail price using the Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle
Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or NADA appraisal guide
and include the complete motorcycle, supermini or
minicycle. Vintage- and ATV-class equipment shall be
excluded from the claiming rule.
2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claimant may enter a claim with
the referee any time during the meet but no later than 30
minutes after the race results of the event in which the
claimant has competed are posted. There will be no
additional time added to this process in the event of a
claim.
3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.
4. If more than one claim is received for the same motorcycle,
the meet referee will hold a drawing to determine the
successful claimant.
5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year.
6. A rider may not enter a claim on their own equipment.
7. Any rider deemed by the AMA to be complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule (i.e. placing a claim with
the intent of returning the motorcycle to the original owner),
will be subject to a 1-year suspension of competition
privileges."

"The claiming rule value is two times the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) at [Loretta Lynn's]."


Seriously, why was Brian Deegan there and allowed to have any contact with Brennan? His only relevant purpose would be to deliver the bill of sale, per the rulebook, and there didn't need to be any contact between he and Brennan.

8tensolutions wrote:

Cotter is NOT an AMA official and had a minor in a room for 15 minutes then allows Deegan to join who also had no reason...

Cotter is NOT an AMA official and had a minor in a room for 15 minutes then allows Deegan to join who also had no reason to have access to the claimant. The issue is all between Brennan and the AMA. Cotter and everyone else should have let the AMA handle it and the AMA appears to have been handling it well. This is a terrible look for Matt Walker and Yamaha, but Cotter represents MX Sports and is the face of most important Amateur race on the planet.....that comes with responsibility and he now failed in that responsibility in a big way. He should be gone 100%. Brennan should clearly find another dealer to support him and never return to Moto X, but thats his call. Cotter is DC's call and the answer is extremely clear.

jstein639 wrote:

DC tried to say that "(Deegan was in there as the father of the kid whose bike was claimed--he had a right to be.)" on RacerX...

DC tried to say that "(Deegan was in there as the father of the kid whose bike was claimed--he had a right to be.)" on RacerX. See https://racerxonline.com/2022/08/12/racerhead-32.

I would love to know why he "had a right to be" there. The second Deegan lined up with that bike he forfeited his right to have any say in what happens if the bike is claimed--so what purpose could it have served to let him attend except to try to either talk the kid out of it, or protest a non-protestable rule in some way?

And just so we're clear, I don't see anything in the rules that say that the bike being claimed's past owner has a right to be present with the claimant:

https://mxsports.com/supplemental-rules

"J. Claiming
1. All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are claiming
meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent over (50
percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s suggested
retail price using the Black Book AMA Official Motorcycle
Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or NADA appraisal guide
and include the complete motorcycle, supermini or
minicycle. Vintage- and ATV-class equipment shall be
excluded from the claiming rule.
2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claimant may enter a claim with
the referee any time during the meet but no later than 30
minutes after the race results of the event in which the
claimant has competed are posted. There will be no
additional time added to this process in the event of a
claim.
3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.
4. If more than one claim is received for the same motorcycle,
the meet referee will hold a drawing to determine the
successful claimant.
5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year.
6. A rider may not enter a claim on their own equipment.
7. Any rider deemed by the AMA to be complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule (i.e. placing a claim with
the intent of returning the motorcycle to the original owner),
will be subject to a 1-year suspension of competition
privileges."

"The claiming rule value is two times the Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) at [Loretta Lynn's]."


Seriously, why was Brian Deegan there and allowed to have any contact with Brennan? His only relevant purpose would be to deliver the bill of sale, per the rulebook, and there didn't need to be any contact between he and Brennan.

8tensolutions wrote:

Not to mention Deegan doesn't own the bike anyway. Star does. He had zero reason or right to be there.