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7/18/2022 10:31am
McG194 wrote:
If I take the amount I'm prescribed I can feel my hair grow. My prescription is 60 mg a day every day. I probably take it...
If I take the amount I'm prescribed I can feel my hair grow.

My prescription is 60 mg a day every day. I probably take it 2-3 times a week at 15 mg. I take it when I need help focusing. I have not determined if it changes my riding for the better.
motokiwi wrote:
Thats a ridiculous amount per day - you will fuck your heart long term if you keep that up
You mean keep up the 15 mg a day 2-3 times a week? Or do you mean the part where you just read the headline?
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Ive taken it for years all and pretty much just slows myself down and causes me to hyper focus on the topic at hand.
When riding i find my self in tune with the track ahead and super sensitive to whats happening with the bike.
when not taken. I find myself taste testing dirt because ive been distracted by something on the track and my focus has gone else where haha
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7/18/2022 5:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2022 5:44pm
It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum.

Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to be f-ed when you actually have to function and produce without the use of a performance enhancing drug.

Odd this thread is allowed to stick around given the normal nazi content moderation around here.

Sad times we live in.
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Yeah prescription drugs r nothing to play with. I was on 2 antiflamatories I had to choose which 1 worked the best and a muscle relaxer...
Yeah prescription drugs r nothing to play with. I was on 2 antiflamatories I had to choose which 1 worked the best and a muscle relaxer. For 2 months doing pt 7 days a week on numerous injuries. While trying to get into race shape. All I could really do is speed sit-ups for 1 hr straight. Go back to stretching then speed sit-ups again. The last 2 prescriptions to treat a major head infection from breathing exhaust and antifreeze . Blew me up I ended up in er with my throat and tongue swelled up and I struggled to breath, etc. treatment for that was a drug that if you had an ovr dose of kemo therapy . The massive rush your body and mind gets from aderall must b hell when you stop taking it.
Don't do drugs kids!
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7/18/2022 8:39pm
Fuck! I don't even know where to start on this subject , as it hits home more than you guys could possibly know. i'll just leave it at that.
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Sounds like NZT Smile
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I can feel my hair grow made me spit take holy shit that's funny.
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7/18/2022 9:44pm
It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum. Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to...
It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum.

Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to be f-ed when you actually have to function and produce without the use of a performance enhancing drug.

Odd this thread is allowed to stick around given the normal nazi content moderation around here.

Sad times we live in.
i work at a tech startup and just spent 10+ hours coding

the jobs of today/tomorrow require 110% effort and its competitive AF out there.

adapt or die
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7/18/2022 10:16pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2022 10:52pm
Zycki11 wrote:
Developed by German scientist and given to them for WW2 hence the name blitzkrieg. Tried it for moto because I was struggling to focus. Like mentioned...
Developed by German scientist and given to them for WW2 hence the name blitzkrieg. Tried it for moto because I was struggling to focus. Like mentioned it makes you hyper focus m, but it raises your HR and dehydrates you. Found out it was depression that was causing my focus issue. Got on lexepro and all was well.
MyBobbym wrote:
Thought that was pervitin. Blitzkrieg or just blitz?
Zycki11 wrote:
Correct, it was a methamphetamine and what the drugs today were based off of.
Amphetamine was indeed synthesized in the 1800s in Germany, but it was by a Romanian scientist. During ww2 Germans were on (a lot) of pervitin tablets, which is methamphetamine. Blitzkrieg translates to lightning war, and its name has nothing to do with amphetamine use, although the meth probably helped the germans move rather swiftly. Blitzkreig as a strategy can be traced back to 19th century Prussian general Clausewitz, among others.

During ww2 everyone was on speed. The U.S. was on benzedrine. Post ww2 we were on dextroamphetamine (dexedrine). Adderall is a combination of 4 amphetamine salts (mixture of racemic and dextro amphetamines). As a mixture it is effectively different than pure racemic amphetamine-sulphate, to which I believe only 1 remains on the market today (evekeo). It is also effectively different than pure dextroamphetamine, which remains on the market today as dexedrine, but again this is different than Adderall.

Adderall is definitely different than meth even though they are in the same class. Meth is actually on the market today under the brand name Desoxyn if you can believe it! But again, this is not the same as Adderall. As a HEAVILY reduced example: meth and MDMA (ecstasy) are both amphetamines but they'd feel quite different, wouldn't they?

I have severe ADHD, I've been on various ADHD meds since I was 6, from back before they stuck every hyper kid on it. I'd try the new ones as they came out over the years, but in the end Adderall works the best for me. I need it to function like a normal person. It is not fun for me, it doesn't hype me up like it seems it does for other people. Seems it does the opposite to me, and just allows me to put thoughts together and think clearly enough to actually get something done. I don't see how anyone would enjoy it recreationally, it has many unpleasant side effects and I can't imagine trying to exercise on it. I wont even ride my mountain bike on it, feels extremely unhealthy for the body. Maybe it is different for other people. I wouldn't seek it out for a moto advantage.

TLDR; Adderall sucks, Probably not an advantage in moto
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7/18/2022 11:51pm
daemon666 wrote:
Random story back in early 2000s some what they call clans in a game called counterstrike were accused of using this, but they don't drug test...
Random story back in early 2000s some what they call clans in a game called counterstrike were accused of using this, but they don't drug test in esports back then or now that I know of.
In Leagues today, all players I believe are drug tested for Adderall and others. I used to compete and in the open tournaments, a lot of top amateurs were on it.
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7/19/2022 12:01am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2022 12:17am
It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum. Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to...
It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum.

Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to be f-ed when you actually have to function and produce without the use of a performance enhancing drug.

Odd this thread is allowed to stick around given the normal nazi content moderation around here.

Sad times we live in.
The only content moderation I've seen people whine about lately, the whining has come from people who talk like Nazis.

No input on the Adderall besides big shout to McG for doing his own research and taking the correct amount not the prescribed amount, I have to do the same with Tramadol, if I took what the script said I'd be asleep all day, too many people unfortunately just follow what's written.
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From experience do not do it.
7/19/2022 1:06am
McG194 wrote:
You mean keep up the 15 mg a day 2-3 times a week? Or do you mean the part where you just read the headline?
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given.

Thats like giving a fat person 3 tubs of ice cream per day - but they claim they only eat half of one and keep the rest for a rainy day
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It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum. Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to...
It is completely ridiculous you are asking people's opinions of Aderall on a public motorcross-focused forum.

Aderall use is rampant. You young kids are going to be f-ed when you actually have to function and produce without the use of a performance enhancing drug.

Odd this thread is allowed to stick around given the normal nazi content moderation around here.

Sad times we live in.
i work at a tech startup and just spent 10+ hours coding the jobs of today/tomorrow require 110% effort and its competitive AF out there. adapt...
i work at a tech startup and just spent 10+ hours coding

the jobs of today/tomorrow require 110% effort and its competitive AF out there.

adapt or die
I work construction and race dirtbikes in the NC heat. Take better care of your body if you want better results. Everyone taking Adderall is fucking over there body.
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7/19/2022 4:30am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2022 4:32am
I'm 52 and didn't even try it until my early 40's. If you need it, it works. I don't get a buzz. It doesn't affect my appetite. When I need it, 10mg will do what I need, so I usually split a 20mg and take it twice a day depending on my schedule. I don't use it every day, tolerance builds fast. It allows me to focus and finish what I start. Sometimes I start too many things and don't finish half of them. I can start unloading the dishwasher, leave the cabinet doors open, see something else needing done, go to the garage to get a tool for that, see another thing and end up forgetting what I went to the garage for, go back to the first thing, etc. We call it "SQUIRREL!" at work. There is ADD and ADHD, I suffer from the latter. Controlled a little, I can get shit done and with authority

My script gets 30 x 20mg. I prefer Vyvanse but my insurance pays for Addy. *shrug*

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I'm 52 and didn't even try it until my early 40's. If you need it, it works. I don't get a buzz. It doesn't affect my...
I'm 52 and didn't even try it until my early 40's. If you need it, it works. I don't get a buzz. It doesn't affect my appetite. When I need it, 10mg will do what I need, so I usually split a 20mg and take it twice a day depending on my schedule. I don't use it every day, tolerance builds fast. It allows me to focus and finish what I start. Sometimes I start too many things and don't finish half of them. I can start unloading the dishwasher, leave the cabinet doors open, see something else needing done, go to the garage to get a tool for that, see another thing and end up forgetting what I went to the garage for, go back to the first thing, etc. We call it "SQUIRREL!" at work. There is ADD and ADHD, I suffer from the latter. Controlled a little, I can get shit done and with authority

My script gets 30 x 20mg. I prefer Vyvanse but my insurance pays for Addy. *shrug*

Vyvanse is better. I'm 56 and I work 3rd shift. It allows me to maintain this schedule even on my days off. I've taken it at my regular time, 11 pm, worked my shift, got home, and went and rode moto until 1 pm consistently for years now. I've never had an issue. Only thing I do is hydrate better at least 24 hours before on days I know I'll be riding. It's hot here,(110 yesterday, supposed to be 110-111 today) so the tracks open at 8 am and I'm off work at 7 am.

I get home from the track by 2 pm, unload, shower and fall asleep easily. Start the day again at 11 pm with Vyvanse
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7/19/2022 5:35am
McG194 wrote:
You mean keep up the 15 mg a day 2-3 times a week? Or do you mean the part where you just read the headline?
motokiwi wrote:
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given. Thats like giving a fat person...
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given.

Thats like giving a fat person 3 tubs of ice cream per day - but they claim they only eat half of one and keep the rest for a rainy day
Just because you have an inability to control yourself doesn't mean everyone does.
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I'm 52 and didn't even try it until my early 40's. If you need it, it works. I don't get a buzz. It doesn't affect my...
I'm 52 and didn't even try it until my early 40's. If you need it, it works. I don't get a buzz. It doesn't affect my appetite. When I need it, 10mg will do what I need, so I usually split a 20mg and take it twice a day depending on my schedule. I don't use it every day, tolerance builds fast. It allows me to focus and finish what I start. Sometimes I start too many things and don't finish half of them. I can start unloading the dishwasher, leave the cabinet doors open, see something else needing done, go to the garage to get a tool for that, see another thing and end up forgetting what I went to the garage for, go back to the first thing, etc. We call it "SQUIRREL!" at work. There is ADD and ADHD, I suffer from the latter. Controlled a little, I can get shit done and with authority

My script gets 30 x 20mg. I prefer Vyvanse but my insurance pays for Addy. *shrug*

kawasa84 wrote:
Vyvanse is better. I'm 56 and I work 3rd shift. It allows me to maintain this schedule even on my days off. I've taken it at...
Vyvanse is better. I'm 56 and I work 3rd shift. It allows me to maintain this schedule even on my days off. I've taken it at my regular time, 11 pm, worked my shift, got home, and went and rode moto until 1 pm consistently for years now. I've never had an issue. Only thing I do is hydrate better at least 24 hours before on days I know I'll be riding. It's hot here,(110 yesterday, supposed to be 110-111 today) so the tracks open at 8 am and I'm off work at 7 am.

I get home from the track by 2 pm, unload, shower and fall asleep easily. Start the day again at 11 pm with Vyvanse
Wish i could try vyvanse. Shit is $400 a month without insurance
7/19/2022 6:27am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2022 6:35am
i work at a tech startup and just spent 10+ hours coding the jobs of today/tomorrow require 110% effort and its competitive AF out there. adapt...
i work at a tech startup and just spent 10+ hours coding

the jobs of today/tomorrow require 110% effort and its competitive AF out there.

adapt or die
I've been working in the tech industry since 2000. Worked at three startups between 2002 and 2007. One of those startups went IPO and I was sleeping under my desk pulling 18 hour days trying to push through UAT and major releases.

We all did this without aderall or any other drugs. All we had was Red Bull and coffee. It's utterly pathetic you all can't function without aderall. This isn't "adaptation." It's sad and not sustainable, is what it is. I work with a lot of people in the tech industry today who use aderall and most of them are a mess. They produce, but they are a mess otherwise.
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Yeah prescription drugs r nothing to play with. I was on 2 antiflamatories I had to choose which 1 worked the best and a muscle relaxer...
Yeah prescription drugs r nothing to play with. I was on 2 antiflamatories I had to choose which 1 worked the best and a muscle relaxer. For 2 months doing pt 7 days a week on numerous injuries. While trying to get into race shape. All I could really do is speed sit-ups for 1 hr straight. Go back to stretching then speed sit-ups again. The last 2 prescriptions to treat a major head infection from breathing exhaust and antifreeze . Blew me up I ended up in er with my throat and tongue swelled up and I struggled to breath, etc. treatment for that was a drug that if you had an ovr dose of kemo therapy . The massive rush your body and mind gets from aderall must b hell when you stop taking it.
Bruce372 wrote:
Don't do drugs kids!
Prescription drugs I would stay away even antiflamatories . Vioxx an antiflamatory worked great Ryno raced with a freshly broken leg. I fractured my femur vioxx took the swelling down. It was pulled from the market because tooo many bled to death. 96 I broke my back vioxx helped me work construction till 10-2-02 surgery. A few weird side effects like millions of black dots in your vision and massive sweating, hair falling out. But aderall I wouldn’t think of it.
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McG194 wrote:
You mean keep up the 15 mg a day 2-3 times a week? Or do you mean the part where you just read the headline?
motokiwi wrote:
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given. Thats like giving a fat person...
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given.

Thats like giving a fat person 3 tubs of ice cream per day - but they claim they only eat half of one and keep the rest for a rainy day
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my attention doesn’t need to be as focused, so I end up only refilling roughly 2 out of every 3 months prescriptions.

If you are indeed taking it for ADD/ADHD it doesn’t give you the same ‘rush’ as it may to an abuser.

Now if the doctor tells me that I can have 3 tubs of ice cream, I might very well try to figure out how to get a 4th……
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7/19/2022 7:13am
McG194 wrote:
You mean keep up the 15 mg a day 2-3 times a week? Or do you mean the part where you just read the headline?
motokiwi wrote:
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given. Thats like giving a fat person...
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given.

Thats like giving a fat person 3 tubs of ice cream per day - but they claim they only eat half of one and keep the rest for a rainy day
APLMAN99 wrote:
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my...
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my attention doesn’t need to be as focused, so I end up only refilling roughly 2 out of every 3 months prescriptions.

If you are indeed taking it for ADD/ADHD it doesn’t give you the same ‘rush’ as it may to an abuser.

Now if the doctor tells me that I can have 3 tubs of ice cream, I might very well try to figure out how to get a 4th……
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all over the place. lol
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Prescribed adderall extended release for concussion issues and brain fog / focus. I can tell you that I made the huge mistake of taking it on raceday (offroad now). When my heartrate spiked in minute 30, it stayed almost at my hr max for the next hour. No biggie, I've had that race win battle before, where I wouldn't slow down.

The real problem came afterwards. Usually 10-15minute recovery got me into a normal hr zone...not with the adderall. My hr stayed 130-140 (190max) until 9pm that night. Wife packed ice around me on the couch so I could sleep, and should've went to the er.

I have to quit taking 2 days prior to my offroad race.
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motokiwi wrote:
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given. Thats like giving a fat person...
Cool story bro - keep pretending a person prescribed adderal doesn't take as much or more than they are given.

Thats like giving a fat person 3 tubs of ice cream per day - but they claim they only eat half of one and keep the rest for a rainy day
APLMAN99 wrote:
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my...
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my attention doesn’t need to be as focused, so I end up only refilling roughly 2 out of every 3 months prescriptions.

If you are indeed taking it for ADD/ADHD it doesn’t give you the same ‘rush’ as it may to an abuser.

Now if the doctor tells me that I can have 3 tubs of ice cream, I might very well try to figure out how to get a 4th……
McG194 wrote:
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all...
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all over the place. lol
I'm not quite that bad, and I definitely don't have the 'hyperactivity' part of ADHD, but my attention can wander enough that my short term memory (past 2-3 minute type of thing) is practically non existent.

For example, if I am at work without my meds, I often forget what my last call was about if I get ANY interruption and have to wait 10-30 minutes for it to come to me again. Adderall keeps that from happening.

I've tried countless other things, even hypnosis to try to affect my focus over the years. Nothing works like Adderall. But if I didn't have to take it, I wouldn't. It does affect my sleep but not in the 'stay up and get stuff done' type of way, but the 'can't sleep but stare at the ceiling' type of sleep loss. I have come to work around that with a sleep routine that is almost meditative, and it works 95% of the time for me now.
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Not trying to stir the PED pot, but…I wouldn’t be shocked to know that more than a few riders have a TUE for Aderall now, and are using it regularly. For those that genuinely need it, it just help them function correctly…
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my...
I can tell you from first hand experience that I don’t use my full prescription of adderall. I generally don’t take it on weekends where my attention doesn’t need to be as focused, so I end up only refilling roughly 2 out of every 3 months prescriptions.

If you are indeed taking it for ADD/ADHD it doesn’t give you the same ‘rush’ as it may to an abuser.

Now if the doctor tells me that I can have 3 tubs of ice cream, I might very well try to figure out how to get a 4th……
McG194 wrote:
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all...
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all over the place. lol
APLMAN99 wrote:
I'm not quite that bad, and I definitely don't have the 'hyperactivity' part of ADHD, but my attention can wander enough that my short term memory...
I'm not quite that bad, and I definitely don't have the 'hyperactivity' part of ADHD, but my attention can wander enough that my short term memory (past 2-3 minute type of thing) is practically non existent.

For example, if I am at work without my meds, I often forget what my last call was about if I get ANY interruption and have to wait 10-30 minutes for it to come to me again. Adderall keeps that from happening.

I've tried countless other things, even hypnosis to try to affect my focus over the years. Nothing works like Adderall. But if I didn't have to take it, I wouldn't. It does affect my sleep but not in the 'stay up and get stuff done' type of way, but the 'can't sleep but stare at the ceiling' type of sleep loss. I have come to work around that with a sleep routine that is almost meditative, and it works 95% of the time for me now.
I'm pretty much the same. I have ADD not ADHD. My biggest problem is my mind racing. I actually have to fight not to watch tv, look at my phone and browse a magazine. The internet and cellphones are the worst thing in the world for people like us.
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7/19/2022 11:14am
davistld01 wrote:
Not trying to stir the PED pot, but…I wouldn’t be shocked to know that more than a few riders have a TUE for Aderall now, and...
Not trying to stir the PED pot, but…I wouldn’t be shocked to know that more than a few riders have a TUE for Aderall now, and are using it regularly. For those that genuinely need it, it just help them function correctly…
I would guess that there is a boatload of racers with a prescription and TUE (if it's even needed anymore) because moto does seem to attract ADHD types.
7/19/2022 11:19am
McG194 wrote:
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all...
I'm with you, pretty much never touch it on the weekends and my wife will quite often make a comment that LOOK a bunny!!!! I'm all over the place. lol
APLMAN99 wrote:
I'm not quite that bad, and I definitely don't have the 'hyperactivity' part of ADHD, but my attention can wander enough that my short term memory...
I'm not quite that bad, and I definitely don't have the 'hyperactivity' part of ADHD, but my attention can wander enough that my short term memory (past 2-3 minute type of thing) is practically non existent.

For example, if I am at work without my meds, I often forget what my last call was about if I get ANY interruption and have to wait 10-30 minutes for it to come to me again. Adderall keeps that from happening.

I've tried countless other things, even hypnosis to try to affect my focus over the years. Nothing works like Adderall. But if I didn't have to take it, I wouldn't. It does affect my sleep but not in the 'stay up and get stuff done' type of way, but the 'can't sleep but stare at the ceiling' type of sleep loss. I have come to work around that with a sleep routine that is almost meditative, and it works 95% of the time for me now.
McG194 wrote:
I'm pretty much the same. I have ADD not ADHD. My biggest problem is my mind racing. I actually have to fight not to watch tv...
I'm pretty much the same. I have ADD not ADHD. My biggest problem is my mind racing. I actually have to fight not to watch tv, look at my phone and browse a magazine. The internet and cellphones are the worst thing in the world for people like us.
I take 5mg twice a day.. it helps me focus and not get interrupted by phone/tv/mad skills. Its done wonders for my concentration while working. I normally dont take it on the weekends or when on vacation. My overall mood improved as well.
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It’s amphetamines. Yes I’ve tried it, not for moto, it gets you fuckin wired.

Wouldn’t recommend.
If your race outdoors with Aderall of something similar you also need to use something to keep your fluids in your body otherwise the side affect from Amphets (rising body temp.) will be more a burden than the doping side of things: higher alertness, euphoric state of mind what doesn't make you feel tired but neither thirsty... Is it used as doping? Yes a lot of students use it to skip one or two nights while studying for end exams, for multi million dollar gaming or poker games, ...
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