El Hombre said he’d race a 250 at MXdN

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7/7/2022 10:25am
Melicar wrote:
Barcia can't even beat Dungey right now and some of you want him at MXON? Laughable...
He did beat him at red bud but most of the time you’re right.
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7/7/2022 10:41am
Melicar wrote:
Barcia can't even beat Dungey right now and some of you want him at MXON? Laughable...
Yep. Here's my reasoning...

He gets good starts, this is critical for a 250 guy at Des Nations.
He has a rev the piss out of the bike riding style and was fast as shit on 250s. I don't think he'd have any problem adapting to the small bike again.
He is willing to DIE to fight for positions.
He STEPS UP when called upon at MXDN, he's won his class twice and a moto overall.
He has half the field scared of him just on reputation of banging bars, the Euros would probably throw the white flag as soon as they saw him behind them.

Anderson is a bad ass too, I just don't know that he adapts to the 250 as well as Barcia after being off it for so long.
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7/7/2022 10:51am
Melicar wrote:
Barcia can't even beat Dungey right now and some of you want him at MXON? Laughable...
LungButter wrote:
Yep. Here's my reasoning... He gets good starts, this is critical for a 250 guy at Des Nations. He has a rev the piss out of...
Yep. Here's my reasoning...

He gets good starts, this is critical for a 250 guy at Des Nations.
He has a rev the piss out of the bike riding style and was fast as shit on 250s. I don't think he'd have any problem adapting to the small bike again.
He is willing to DIE to fight for positions.
He STEPS UP when called upon at MXDN, he's won his class twice and a moto overall.
He has half the field scared of him just on reputation of banging bars, the Euros would probably throw the white flag as soon as they saw him behind them.

Anderson is a bad ass too, I just don't know that he adapts to the 250 as well as Barcia after being off it for so long.
An argument can definitely be made for Barcia, you are spot on with everything you said and honestly if he gets the nod I still love the team - but it’s a “team” event. They need to work as a unit. If I had to guess Tomac and Sexton would rather work with Anderson than Bam, just from past experience with him. Maybe I’m wrong, what do I know.
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7/7/2022 11:09am
dingo wrote:
What are the complications of Anderson riding a Pro Circuit bike for 1 weekend while he’s contracted with Factory Kawi? I’m sure it could be worked...
What are the complications of Anderson riding a Pro Circuit bike for 1 weekend while he’s contracted with Factory Kawi? I’m sure it could be worked around
Boomslang wrote:
There shouldn't be any complications with that scenario at all.
This. PC bike with Factory graphics. Both teams run Pro Circuit, Dunlop, Renthal. They are essentially sister teams anyway.

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7/7/2022 11:13am
dingo wrote:
What are the complications of Anderson riding a Pro Circuit bike for 1 weekend while he’s contracted with Factory Kawi? I’m sure it could be worked...
What are the complications of Anderson riding a Pro Circuit bike for 1 weekend while he’s contracted with Factory Kawi? I’m sure it could be worked around
Boomslang wrote:
There shouldn't be any complications with that scenario at all.
I agree there SHOULDN'T be but I said I feel like jumping around not only from 450 to 250 but from one team to another even though it’s still under the Kawasaki umbrella would just make the people that are calling the shots never let that happen. Our MXoN management has been so fucked for so long now I know even considering putting a 450 guy on a 250 is basically a null conversation to the higher ups that make these decisions.

The difference with putting Webb on a Star 450 years ago is Star wasn’t the factory team at the time and Star actually supports this event. Kawasaki specifically in recent years has been reluctant or had no interest in this event.

I’d love to see Anderson, Barcia or shit even Dungey on a 250 considering our current 250 guys aren’t better than any of them but I just feel like the more hoops that have to be jumped through, the even lesser chance it’ll happen.
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It's at Red Bud, just give Ty Masterpool a factory bike and send him
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7/7/2022 11:31am
aeffertz wrote:
I feel like there would probably be complications for Anderson to ride a 250 since he rides for Factory Kawasaki and not Pro Circuit/Monster Kawasaki. Can’t...
I feel like there would probably be complications for Anderson to ride a 250 since he rides for Factory Kawasaki and not Pro Circuit/Monster Kawasaki. Can’t see factory Kawasaki developing their own 250 for a one off event.

Barcia to a GasGas 250 would probably be an easier sell since his team has both a 250 and 450 program but I doubt the AMA is willing to drop a 450 rider down.
Barcia is also a bit lighter. He's not a big guy. Barcia is listed as 5' 9" and 155 lb. while Anderson is 6' 1" and 165 lb.
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7/7/2022 11:39am
aeffertz wrote:
I feel like there would probably be complications for Anderson to ride a 250 since he rides for Factory Kawasaki and not Pro Circuit/Monster Kawasaki. Can’t...
I feel like there would probably be complications for Anderson to ride a 250 since he rides for Factory Kawasaki and not Pro Circuit/Monster Kawasaki. Can’t see factory Kawasaki developing their own 250 for a one off event.

Barcia to a GasGas 250 would probably be an easier sell since his team has both a 250 and 450 program but I doubt the AMA is willing to drop a 450 rider down.
TriRacer27 wrote:
Barcia is also a bit lighter. He's not a big guy. Barcia is listed as 5' 9" and 155 lb. while Anderson is 6' 1" and...
Barcia is also a bit lighter. He's not a big guy. Barcia is listed as 5' 9" and 155 lb. while Anderson is 6' 1" and 165 lb.
He’s got 3 months to cut 10 pounds. Piece of cake.
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7/7/2022 11:46am
The absolute best team we could put together right now would be one of these two:


MX1: Tomac
MX2: Anderson
MX3: Sexton


oooooooor

MX1: Tomac
MX2: Sexton
MX3: Dungey or Anderson


If Anderson can't go on a 250, I think Sexton would be a great choice. MX3 you could do either Dungey or Anderson, and I would actually give the edge to Dungey. Your MX3 rider needs to be your solid, consistent guy who isn't going to throw away a moto. You don't need him to win, but you need to be confident he will be 4-7 in each of his motos. That's Dungey! Give him 2 more months and he will only get faster.

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7/7/2022 11:50am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2022 11:54am
I’m a huge Anderson fan but I feel like he’s been too squirrelly this summer maybe Craig can go for 250 or barcia

250s are fun.
GASGAS is fun. Perfect match! Smile
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I’m a huge Anderson fan but I feel like he’s been too squirrelly this summer maybe Craig can go for 250 or barcia 250s are fun...
I’m a huge Anderson fan but I feel like he’s been too squirrelly this summer maybe Craig can go for 250 or barcia

250s are fun.
GASGAS is fun. Perfect match! Smile
Craig over Anderson? Not a chance... Anderson even has an MXoN moto win, he brings it.

I still think based on the modern history of the US team it will be Hampshire or Cooper....
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I’d rather see Dungey on a 250 before I would Anderson.
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7/7/2022 11:55am
dingo wrote:
What are the complications of Anderson riding a Pro Circuit bike for 1 weekend while he’s contracted with Factory Kawi? I’m sure it could be worked...
What are the complications of Anderson riding a Pro Circuit bike for 1 weekend while he’s contracted with Factory Kawi? I’m sure it could be worked around
Boomslang wrote:
There shouldn't be any complications with that scenario at all.
I remember hearing on a podcast how Mitch use to be involved with more with the MXDN team, but Roger or someone kinda pushed him out. If that’s true, would PC really be that interesting in building and setting up a bike for a rider that’s not actually on their team?
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7/7/2022 11:56am
Guess I'm in the minority but I don't think Barcia or Anderson gets a better result than JCoop on a 250. Ya he's not the rider he was last year but I think he comes around by the MXdN.
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7/7/2022 11:56am
TriRacer27 wrote:
The absolute best team we could put together right now would be one of these two: MX1: Tomac MX2: Anderson MX3: Sexton oooooooor MX1: Tomac MX2...
The absolute best team we could put together right now would be one of these two:


MX1: Tomac
MX2: Anderson
MX3: Sexton


oooooooor

MX1: Tomac
MX2: Sexton
MX3: Dungey or Anderson


If Anderson can't go on a 250, I think Sexton would be a great choice. MX3 you could do either Dungey or Anderson, and I would actually give the edge to Dungey. Your MX3 rider needs to be your solid, consistent guy who isn't going to throw away a moto. You don't need him to win, but you need to be confident he will be 4-7 in each of his motos. That's Dungey! Give him 2 more months and he will only get faster.

Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose with that.
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I’m a huge Anderson fan but I feel like he’s been too squirrelly this summer maybe Craig can go for 250 or barcia 250s are fun...
I’m a huge Anderson fan but I feel like he’s been too squirrelly this summer maybe Craig can go for 250 or barcia

250s are fun.
GASGAS is fun. Perfect match! Smile
A quick scan of the Vault shows Craigs best outdoor finish ever on a 250 is 4th (I said quick scan, my apologies if I missed a better finish) and most the time he's 7-15th or worse.

I cannot get behind Team Swoon being on the 250 whatsoever. I'll take JCoop over him.
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7/7/2022 12:06pm
davistld01 wrote:
I’d rather see Dungey on a 250 before I would Anderson.
Dungey hasn’t ridden a 250 since they had carburetors
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7/7/2022 12:32pm
Alex814 wrote:
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose...
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose with that.
You might want to check Sexton's 250 outdoor results.

He never won a 250 national.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
The absolute best team we could put together right now would be one of these two: MX1: Tomac MX2: Anderson MX3: Sexton oooooooor MX1: Tomac MX2...
The absolute best team we could put together right now would be one of these two:


MX1: Tomac
MX2: Anderson
MX3: Sexton


oooooooor

MX1: Tomac
MX2: Sexton
MX3: Dungey or Anderson


If Anderson can't go on a 250, I think Sexton would be a great choice. MX3 you could do either Dungey or Anderson, and I would actually give the edge to Dungey. Your MX3 rider needs to be your solid, consistent guy who isn't going to throw away a moto. You don't need him to win, but you need to be confident he will be 4-7 in each of his motos. That's Dungey! Give him 2 more months and he will only get faster.

Alex814 wrote:
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose...
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose with that.
I'm a big Sexton fan, but what did he win, 1 or 2 250 nationals? He's still fast as hell and can ride a dirt bike, but when you're talking about the very tip of the spear for fastest MXers in the world, I feel he is considerably better on a 450 than a 250 outdoors.
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Alex814 wrote:
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose...
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose with that.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
You might want to check Sexton's 250 outdoor results.

He never won a 250 national.
Really? I thought he won Florida, or was that just a moto?
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Alex814 wrote:
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose...
Sexton is the best choice for 250, he was winning on the Honda 250 two years ago. Tomac and Dungey on the 450, we don't lose with that.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
You might want to check Sexton's 250 outdoor results.

He never won a 250 national.
davis224 wrote:
Really? I thought he won Florida, or was that just a moto?
He's got a handful of podiums, but no overall wins.
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7/7/2022 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2022 12:47pm
Dungey hasn’t ridden a 250 since they had carburetors
Meaningless rebuttal. Dungey was fast as snot on his 250 Suzuki…and chances are good that he could still ride one as fast or faster now than he did then. He’s a guy who could hang it out on the smaller bike and not crash…I’m not sure El Hombre could do that.
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gt80rider wrote:
El hombre is one of the very few that is actually willing to send it at des nations... he Needs to be on our team regardless...
El hombre is one of the very few that is actually willing to send it at des nations... he Needs to be on our team regardless of 250 or 450....
One thing I can say is that Barcia gave 125% when he rode Des Nations. It wasn't enough to win, but he left Nothing on the track. Super fun to watch.
Both would be great. I couldn't say which of the 2 would do better on a 250F.
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Melicar wrote:
Barcia can't even beat Dungey right now and some of you want him at MXON? Laughable...
LungButter wrote:
Yep. Here's my reasoning... He gets good starts, this is critical for a 250 guy at Des Nations. He has a rev the piss out of...
Yep. Here's my reasoning...

He gets good starts, this is critical for a 250 guy at Des Nations.
He has a rev the piss out of the bike riding style and was fast as shit on 250s. I don't think he'd have any problem adapting to the small bike again.
He is willing to DIE to fight for positions.
He STEPS UP when called upon at MXDN, he's won his class twice and a moto overall.
He has half the field scared of him just on reputation of banging bars, the Euros would probably throw the white flag as soon as they saw him behind them.

Anderson is a bad ass too, I just don't know that he adapts to the 250 as well as Barcia after being off it for so long.
Barcia has been off the 250 for 2 years longer than Ando.
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Dungey hasn’t ridden a 250 since they had carburetors
davistld01 wrote:
Meaningless rebuttal. Dungey was fast as snot on his 250 Suzuki…and chances are good that he could still ride one as fast or faster now than...
Meaningless rebuttal. Dungey was fast as snot on his 250 Suzuki…and chances are good that he could still ride one as fast or faster now than he did then. He’s a guy who could hang it out on the smaller bike and not crash…I’m not sure El Hombre could do that.
Yes, Ryan Dungey is well known for hanging it out
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
You might want to check Sexton's 250 outdoor results.

He never won a 250 national.
davis224 wrote:
Really? I thought he won Florida, or was that just a moto?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
He's got a handful of podiums, but no overall wins.
It was just the first moto in Florida he won. Fried himself moto 2
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All I know is that I have secured my kitchen pass and budget to be there. I feel pretty confident that this is our year...we've got some really strong guys to choose from.
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Barcia should be out for many reasons.

Cooper has a little time to show something but the trend is not good lately.

I would give Hampshire a shot. We might get lucky. He won a GP and will try super hard. Great at Red Bud.

Next would be Anderson on the 250. That would be fun as heck to watch.

Dungey can't just show up and get picked over Anderson in my view.
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kpiper wrote:
Barcia should be out for many reasons. Cooper has a little time to show something but the trend is not good lately. I would give Hampshire...
Barcia should be out for many reasons.

Cooper has a little time to show something but the trend is not good lately.

I would give Hampshire a shot. We might get lucky. He won a GP and will try super hard. Great at Red Bud.

Next would be Anderson on the 250. That would be fun as heck to watch.

Dungey can't just show up and get picked over Anderson in my view.
If Dungey was better than Anderson I’d be fine with it. But he hasn’t been… if we were doing 4 man teams absolutely dunge would be there
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7/7/2022 1:25pm
This must have been the news Mathes was talking about.
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