The solution to the last problem of electric dirt bikes?

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phatfi20 6/14/2022 10:37am
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Magoofan wrote:
[i]"Electric bikes will not kill the sport. Loud bikes kill tracks.. Electric bikes make the sport more accessible than its ever been."[/i] Ah.... self delusion. It's...

"Electric bikes will not kill the sport. Loud bikes kill tracks.. Electric bikes make the sport more accessible than its ever been."

Ah.... self delusion. It's a wonderful thing.
Silas444 wrote:
Uhhh, since person after person from country after country has posted something about their local track(s) being shut down due to noise complaints, I think we're...
Uhhh, since person after person from country after country has posted something about their local track(s) being shut down due to noise complaints, I think we're a past the "self-delusion" stage at this point. I think it's more of a "mass delusion" now. For what it's worth.

And one more thing: you cannot possibly think Magoo would've turned down the opportunity to thrash an electric motocross bike, right? I mean, we're talking Magoo, here. 80HP there at his wrist - he would've LOVED it.



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Silas444 wrote:
Uhhh, since person after person from country after country has posted something about their local track(s) being shut down due to noise complaints, I think we're...
Uhhh, since person after person from country after country has posted something about their local track(s) being shut down due to noise complaints, I think we're a past the "self-delusion" stage at this point. I think it's more of a "mass delusion" now. For what it's worth.

And one more thing: you cannot possibly think Magoo would've turned down the opportunity to thrash an electric motocross bike, right? I mean, we're talking Magoo, here. 80HP there at his wrist - he would've LOVED it.
You guys don't seem to get it. It's not JUST the noise. This sport is an environmental enemy. It's a battle that has been fought since the 70's....and we are losing. You think all those closed tracks around the world are going to open up again? Keep dreaming.

A more powerful "eco-system" destroyer. Really....who needs an 80+ hp MX bike? A 450 is already too powerful for most people. To that, pros are detuning the 450s in some cases.



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Silas444 wrote:
Uhhh, since person after person from country after country has posted something about their local track(s) being shut down due to noise complaints, I think we're...
Uhhh, since person after person from country after country has posted something about their local track(s) being shut down due to noise complaints, I think we're a past the "self-delusion" stage at this point. I think it's more of a "mass delusion" now. For what it's worth.

And one more thing: you cannot possibly think Magoo would've turned down the opportunity to thrash an electric motocross bike, right? I mean, we're talking Magoo, here. 80HP there at his wrist - he would've LOVED it.
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You guys don't seem to get it. It's not JUST the noise. This sport is an environmental enemy. It's a battle that has been fought since...
You guys don't seem to get it. It's not JUST the noise. This sport is an environmental enemy. It's a battle that has been fought since the 70's....and we are losing. You think all those closed tracks around the world are going to open up again? Keep dreaming.

A more powerful "eco-system" destroyer. Really....who needs an 80+ hp MX bike? A 450 is already too powerful for most people. To that, pros are detuning the 450s in some cases.



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mattyhamz2 6/14/2022 6:19pm
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So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can think of, can the rest of us sit around and say we told you so?

They will not stop until we are gone. You guys buying into electric saving us are looking through rose colored glasses. Manufacturers aren’t going electric for performance, they are doing it to be green. That’s the only reason any of them are doing it and probably getting tax breaks. Why else would they do it? There’s not much in parts for them to make money on like there is with ICE engines.
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Sorry but the last problem of ev bikes is whatever will replace them. Ev’s are a stop gap solution because they still rely on power produced from non renewable sources abd have caustic batteries. What is next i couldnt tell you but the ev will not be the future, rather the present.
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Sorry but the last problem of ev bikes is whatever will replace them. Ev’s are a stop gap solution because they still rely on power produced...
Sorry but the last problem of ev bikes is whatever will replace them. Ev’s are a stop gap solution because they still rely on power produced from non renewable sources abd have caustic batteries. What is next i couldnt tell you but the ev will not be the future, rather the present.
Bob Lazar says element 135 and tiny nuclear fusion reactors is the future and the government already has the technology.
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Silas444 6/14/2022 8:33pm
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Magoofan wrote:
You guys don't seem to get it. It's not JUST the noise. This sport is an environmental enemy. It's a battle that has been fought since...
You guys don't seem to get it. It's not JUST the noise. This sport is an environmental enemy. It's a battle that has been fought since the 70's....and we are losing. You think all those closed tracks around the world are going to open up again? Keep dreaming.

A more powerful "eco-system" destroyer. Really....who needs an 80+ hp MX bike? A 450 is already too powerful for most people. To that, pros are detuning the 450s in some cases.



Magoofan - the "World Champion of Soul-Crushing Negativity." Well played, sir. I shall call you "Maestro," for you have certainly earned the title.
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TeamGreen 6/14/2022 9:52pm
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I'm not so "super opinionated" on the matter.

Electric Moto is inbound.

Sure, you can say,"Uh, no, Manny...it's already here!" Well, no, it isn't. Not like it will be in 3 to 5 years. Kawasaki has already said they're gonna be all electric by 2035 (I think I'm recalling that correctly...?). Honda has there eMXer in the wings; but, they're still not sharing their latest and greatest with us as of late. There's a bit of chit-chat about Yamaha having an eMXer, too.

KTM's had the FreeRide for a while & is apparently keeping a full-tilt MXer in the wings.

The Stark is getting A LOT of attention.

Eric Peronnard has his new eMoto racing series coming up & JS7 is getting involved.

So, it's coming at us pretty damn quickly.

On the emissions and noise side of things, we're continuously getting new & more restrictive regulations thrown at us; so, yup...there's a bit if an "inevitable" feel to all this electric stuff.

For me, I'm wondering how, when or if I'm ever gonna have something like my ADV bikes...but "electric"...that I can go 300 miles on a battery...or two...or three? We'll see...maybe...someday.
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#434 6/14/2022 11:53pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can...
So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can think of, can the rest of us sit around and say we told you so?

They will not stop until we are gone. You guys buying into electric saving us are looking through rose colored glasses. Manufacturers aren’t going electric for performance, they are doing it to be green. That’s the only reason any of them are doing it and probably getting tax breaks. Why else would they do it? There’s not much in parts for them to make money on like there is with ICE engines.
Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too. Must be though on your mind living in Cali…

But seriously, don’t you guys see a small chance that an electric dirt bike can have its place? I‘m from Europe. Noise and contamination with oil and gas are the main reasons why tracks get closed. The Stark looks like s killer bike and if there’s a solution to charging it easily at the track, it would be IMO the solution to keep riding for years to come.
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jbonemalone 6/15/2022 5:22am
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I know that everything is going eco green world saver and if you dont comply then you’re the problem man.
But let’s consider this.
At this time with over 90 percent of the cars being fuel powered , and the current heavy load on the electrical grids, we already have rolling blackouts, overloaded electrical systems and a whole lot of load on an antiquated power grid.
Now if the good lord of all that is green California has its way, and fuel powered vehicles are somehow the only thing consumers can buy in the next decade, the power load will be completely unimaginable.
The electrical grid will in no way be able to handle that increase in demand.
As it sits, you are also going to see electrical vehicles be taxed for numerous things like a road use tax, an electric demand tax , even pay extra taxes up front at purchase.
Right now there are tax credits but the good old Government is realizing they can capitalize and won’t be seeing any of that golden fuel tax revenue anymore.

I know I sound like a crazed tinfoil hat wearing flat earther. But it’s already happening. Here in Texas they are voting on road use taxes for electrical vehicles.

I also read an article about how after careful studies they found that the tires on modern road vehicles make more pollution than the engine exhaust.
The article says “as the weight of vehicles increase with heavy batteries the tires are loaded heavier and emit much larger amounts of solid particulates that can be ingested by either respiratory or oral consumption.”
Just roll that around in your head.

We are moving away from liquid fuels for sure. It’s happening. But I do hope that somehow the infrastructure can be created , improved or utilized to supply the demand we are about to put on it.
Charging our vehicles with a gas or diesel generator is asinine and just completely head in the sand type thinking of you ask me.

I’m not pooping on electrical bikes by no means.
I rode a Ktm freeride and if I could find one close I’d probably buy one , but at what point is this feasable on a large scale?

There’s no way my tracks are gonna have charging stations installed.

The places I ride are nice tracks but to have that type of equipment you’d probably pay 25$ at the gate, 25$ per race , $50 for charging fees ,25$ for a camping spot and so on and so on.

How many of these tracks will stay open when it cost $500 entry fee for a two race weekend?

The four stroke revolution just about doubled what a typical racing setup costs us. Remember when $2500 got a bike some gear and race entry?

I understand the gist of inflation and how prices won’t stay the same but dang they sure jumped when my bikes got an extra chain and valves.

I guess what I’m saying is yes the e revolution is coming but at what cost?
I’m all for change believe me , I’d love to have a silent stalker, mobbing the neighborhood and ripping the local woods. But is it going to be sustainable and will it actually make for less places to ride simply from a non controllable increase in the cost of riding?
Dirtysmile56 6/15/2022 6:37am
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#434 wrote:
Didn‘t know electric bikes did that… I love my 125, but damn a bike like the Stark is going to be so much nicer to ride...
Didn‘t know electric bikes did that…

I love my 125, but damn a bike like the Stark is going to be so much nicer to ride. No vibration, no fanning the clutch or shifting gears, perfect power delivery, consistent handling etc..
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That's what riding a 125 is all about. That's what makes it fun. Electric bikes will be easy to ride for sure and take less skill...
That's what riding a 125 is all about. That's what makes it fun. Electric bikes will be easy to ride for sure and take less skill. The challenge of riding a 2 stroke or 4 Stroke is part of the fun. The roar of the engine and vibration is what makes riding a dirt bike fun. Take all that out and you will lose the heart of riding a dirt bike.
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I think for me the benefits outweigh the losses. 80% of the riders I see on the track would have much more fun if they had...
I think for me the benefits outweigh the losses.
80% of the riders I see on the track would have much more fun if they had a bike that‘s easier to ride without clutching and shifting. They could focus on their riding, body position and hitting their lines instead of getting some power from the engine to the rear wheel. Just like most people benefited when they switched from 2T to 4T.
It's going to be like an adult peewee class. Maybe they can have their parents or girlfriend run around the track to make sure they make it up the hill ok and be there to help if they don't.. LOL
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#434 6/15/2022 6:55am
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Dirtysmile56 wrote:
It's going to be like an adult peewee class. Maybe they can have their parents or girlfriend run around the track to make sure they make...
It's going to be like an adult peewee class. Maybe they can have their parents or girlfriend run around the track to make sure they make it up the hill ok and be there to help if they don't.. LOL
True, that sounds great! Maybe, I can have as much fun as the PeeWee kids and maybe my wife is going to actually enjoy being at the track without all the farting 4Ts.
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KurtJ99 6/15/2022 7:03am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
If it’s not noise, it’ll be something else

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/e-bikes-national-parks-they-re-riding…
Good article. Kills me to say I agree with parts of that Sierra club article. E-bikes have expanded the riding market, and you have less experienced casual riders going deep into trails where only hard core mountain bikers went before.
And the culture of responsible mountain bikers maintaining trails is getting diluted by newbies that just want to haul ass on their e-bike.
Not that e-bicycles aren't cool, it's just the effect it has on the trails. Like the "450s are tearing up the track" argument, e-bikes are tearing up the trails both by more horsepower and more riders.

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Just throw a petrol Generator in the back of your truck. In some parts of Australia now (at larger gas stations), they have diesel generators to...
Just throw a petrol Generator in the back of your truck. In some parts of Australia now (at larger gas stations), they have diesel generators to supply for the electric car charging points. It's cheaper than using the 'power grid' for supply. Makes sense!!!!

In sorry but this looks like it should be a meme showing how stupid the green new deal is.
Dirtysmile56 6/15/2022 7:17am
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It's going to be like an adult peewee class. Maybe they can have their parents or girlfriend run around the track to make sure they make...
It's going to be like an adult peewee class. Maybe they can have their parents or girlfriend run around the track to make sure they make it up the hill ok and be there to help if they don't.. LOL
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True, that sounds great! Maybe, I can have as much fun as the PeeWee kids and maybe my wife is going to actually enjoy being at...
True, that sounds great! Maybe, I can have as much fun as the PeeWee kids and maybe my wife is going to actually enjoy being at the track without all the farting 4Ts.
For the record, I ordered one in December Wink
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I know everything new is scary and “the downfall of America” or “forced compliance” but it will be ok. It’s dirt bikes. Check your blood pressure regular and often.
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phatfi20 wrote:
I know everything new is scary and “the downfall of America” or “forced compliance” but it will be ok. It’s dirt bikes. Check your blood pressure...
I know everything new is scary and “the downfall of America” or “forced compliance” but it will be ok. It’s dirt bikes. Check your blood pressure regular and often.
You know it’s funny you say that. I was watching Stone Spray Sandwich recently and I think it was Mike Mason saying how the days of riding in the hills are coming to an end and dirt bikes will be banned…and this was in 2005. We made it this far!

Doom and gloom is easy to buy into.
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Magoofan 6/15/2022 9:09am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
If it’s not noise, it’ll be something else

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/e-bikes-national-parks-they-re-riding…
Hey man....don't be trying to steal my "World Champion of Soul-Crushing Negativity." title. Woohoo


The Sierra club is the devil. Like I said before, this war has been going on for 50 years.

mattyhamz2 6/15/2022 9:39am
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So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can...
So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can think of, can the rest of us sit around and say we told you so?

They will not stop until we are gone. You guys buying into electric saving us are looking through rose colored glasses. Manufacturers aren’t going electric for performance, they are doing it to be green. That’s the only reason any of them are doing it and probably getting tax breaks. Why else would they do it? There’s not much in parts for them to make money on like there is with ICE engines.
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Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too...
Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too. Must be though on your mind living in Cali…

But seriously, don’t you guys see a small chance that an electric dirt bike can have its place? I‘m from Europe. Noise and contamination with oil and gas are the main reasons why tracks get closed. The Stark looks like s killer bike and if there’s a solution to charging it easily at the track, it would be IMO the solution to keep riding for years to come.
I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I am from California so I am first hand seeing exactly what happens when we give a little. We give a little to comply, they take a mile. Living here I know exactly how much we and our bikes are hated and they will not stop until our bikes are gone and we can’t do it anymore. That’s how this works. It’s how it’s always worked. It started with the green sticker/red sticker deal. Now that’s going away and almost no new bikes will be legal to ride on public lands. It will not stop until we are gone and everyone needs to wake up to see that.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can...
So when things to eventually go all electric and we have no where to ride because they came after us for every little thing they can think of, can the rest of us sit around and say we told you so?

They will not stop until we are gone. You guys buying into electric saving us are looking through rose colored glasses. Manufacturers aren’t going electric for performance, they are doing it to be green. That’s the only reason any of them are doing it and probably getting tax breaks. Why else would they do it? There’s not much in parts for them to make money on like there is with ICE engines.
#434 wrote:
Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too...
Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too. Must be though on your mind living in Cali…

But seriously, don’t you guys see a small chance that an electric dirt bike can have its place? I‘m from Europe. Noise and contamination with oil and gas are the main reasons why tracks get closed. The Stark looks like s killer bike and if there’s a solution to charging it easily at the track, it would be IMO the solution to keep riding for years to come.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I...
I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I am from California so I am first hand seeing exactly what happens when we give a little. We give a little to comply, they take a mile. Living here I know exactly how much we and our bikes are hated and they will not stop until our bikes are gone and we can’t do it anymore. That’s how this works. It’s how it’s always worked. It started with the green sticker/red sticker deal. Now that’s going away and almost no new bikes will be legal to ride on public lands. It will not stop until we are gone and everyone needs to wake up to see that.
I understand. I’m from Germany, we invented overbearing regulations. Here, you‘re not even allowed to ride on your own land. In the southwest, where I live, it’s even forbidden to ride your MTB on roads with a width of under 1,2 m. It’s therefore illegal to ride ANY trails.
Tracks here are closed regularly due to noise, contamination and dust problems. So electric bikes (and sprinkler systems) are real chance of keeping the sport alive. There’re even chances to revive old tracks.
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How about we ride dirt bikes with their own onboard generators. Imagine this... internal combustion engines in place of that heavy, inconvenient, and environmentally-unfriendly battery. All...
How about we ride dirt bikes with their own onboard generators. Imagine this... internal combustion engines in place of that heavy, inconvenient, and environmentally-unfriendly battery.

All you have to do is bring a can of energy-infused liquid to the track with you, and it takes less than 1 minute to completely re-energize the motorcycle for your next ride.

I love this post sooo much haha! Laughing

Still need to burn gas some where , to create this electricity.
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#434 wrote:
Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too...
Yes, you can sit around and say you told us so in the future, because it seems like that’s the only thing you’re looking forward too. Must be though on your mind living in Cali…

But seriously, don’t you guys see a small chance that an electric dirt bike can have its place? I‘m from Europe. Noise and contamination with oil and gas are the main reasons why tracks get closed. The Stark looks like s killer bike and if there’s a solution to charging it easily at the track, it would be IMO the solution to keep riding for years to come.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I...
I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I am from California so I am first hand seeing exactly what happens when we give a little. We give a little to comply, they take a mile. Living here I know exactly how much we and our bikes are hated and they will not stop until our bikes are gone and we can’t do it anymore. That’s how this works. It’s how it’s always worked. It started with the green sticker/red sticker deal. Now that’s going away and almost no new bikes will be legal to ride on public lands. It will not stop until we are gone and everyone needs to wake up to see that.
#434 wrote:
I understand. I’m from Germany, we invented overbearing regulations. Here, you‘re not even allowed to ride on your own land. In the southwest, where I live...
I understand. I’m from Germany, we invented overbearing regulations. Here, you‘re not even allowed to ride on your own land. In the southwest, where I live, it’s even forbidden to ride your MTB on roads with a width of under 1,2 m. It’s therefore illegal to ride ANY trails.
Tracks here are closed regularly due to noise, contamination and dust problems. So electric bikes (and sprinkler systems) are real chance of keeping the sport alive. There’re even chances to revive old tracks.
That's horrible to hear, what happened to the German people to become so compliant and allow policy that destroy such a capable nation. I am of German descent and have this conversation with my German friend all the time. Time is running out on all of us, if we just let the politicians carry on as they have been.
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#434 6/15/2022 1:41pm
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I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I...
I don’t want to sit around and tell anyone we told you so, trust me and I’m definitely not looking forward to it. And yes, I am from California so I am first hand seeing exactly what happens when we give a little. We give a little to comply, they take a mile. Living here I know exactly how much we and our bikes are hated and they will not stop until our bikes are gone and we can’t do it anymore. That’s how this works. It’s how it’s always worked. It started with the green sticker/red sticker deal. Now that’s going away and almost no new bikes will be legal to ride on public lands. It will not stop until we are gone and everyone needs to wake up to see that.
#434 wrote:
I understand. I’m from Germany, we invented overbearing regulations. Here, you‘re not even allowed to ride on your own land. In the southwest, where I live...
I understand. I’m from Germany, we invented overbearing regulations. Here, you‘re not even allowed to ride on your own land. In the southwest, where I live, it’s even forbidden to ride your MTB on roads with a width of under 1,2 m. It’s therefore illegal to ride ANY trails.
Tracks here are closed regularly due to noise, contamination and dust problems. So electric bikes (and sprinkler systems) are real chance of keeping the sport alive. There’re even chances to revive old tracks.
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That's horrible to hear, what happened to the German people to become so compliant and allow policy that destroy such a capable nation. I am of...
That's horrible to hear, what happened to the German people to become so compliant and allow policy that destroy such a capable nation. I am of German descent and have this conversation with my German friend all the time. Time is running out on all of us, if we just let the politicians carry on as they have been.
It’s not bad here, don’t get me wrong. Germans like to make rules and love following them.
It’s a densely populated area and therefore it makes sense to not let everybody do what they want. Those rules have been in place long before the Green Party gained influence.
You can live a free life here. Your Religion, sexuality, political opinion is your business… no one gives a f..k. We can still drive as fast as we want, drink beer in middle school, run around naked at beach and curse on TV. So it’s not bad at all!
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The real Sasquatch 6/16/2022 10:47am
6/16/2022 10:47am
One of the common things I hear in videos with an Alta is how the owner is able to ride in a place because nobody knows they are there since they can not hear them. There are local san pit tracks that Police only come out to bust people because of noise complaints. When it starts to warm up and people have their windows open or are outside more, you have to stop riding or the cops come. Ride while people are at work, no cops show up. Smaller local private tracks , cops show up because of a noise complaint. I know its not going to help save every track , but there are many it could help. And again so many people only care that they are hearing that annoying sound , lap after lap that the bikes make on a track close by. The people that just hate people riding will get less support from most people that will not care since its not effecting them anymore. They can meditate in their garden while you moto a mile away. Tracks could possible setup solar panels that could feed into the grid on days they are not open and provide another source of income. Space to build the solar field would be a problem and dust on the panels . But those things could also be overcome. Maybe car port like areas with panels on them? Right now there are companies doing 99 year leases for $50k per acre for solar fields. Meaning that the land owner gets paid $50k per acre to have the solar field on their land. like a lease for a cell tower. What if you had one of those companies offer to build a covered pit area in return for less money paid to the land owner. It could end up being another great side effect of electric. And I think for most people it will be the performance of the Electric Dirt Bike that sways them to ride it over a gas powered bike. I'm not super old , but I remember hearing so many of the same arguments when the 4 strokes were first coming around. I do worry about the growth or potential growth being a bad thing. You get less hard core people riding , then there are people that may be more likely to sue over something. And of course the more people doing something the more people that will get hurt. But on that aspect , maybe the more money getting pumped into the sport will also help elevate safety gear, maybe it attracts an engineer or somebody that has an idea for a safer helmet or some other item. The people looking at it saying ," there is no noise issue with ICE bikes" are only looking at their own situation and experience, like how many of the people who dislike dirtbikes because of the noise and how it affects them are doing. If you eliminate the majority of the noise then you will also get rid of a lot of the complaints. Its not going to totally get rid of opponents of dirtbikes , but reducing the pushback that is one of the most valid complaints a non rider can have while at the same time making a bike that will cost less to maintain, be easier to ride, make more power, be faster, and allow for indoor riding facilities and many of the other positives that an E MX bike brings sounds like a good thing to me. Right now we are at the beginning of E MX . Think back to the first 4 stroke MX bikes. Before the YZ400 came out and people were modifying XR400's. That might be what the Alta was in the evolution of the EMX bike. Maybe the Stark is the YZ400 of EMX bikes? Maybe its still an XR400 with a CR chassis. And there will be more advanced bikes . WIth electric power you can move the motor around in the chassis or maybe add hub motors to make a multiple motor bike. and have 2 wheel drive. Maybe you could have a throttle for the front motor to help pull the bike out of a slide?SInce you have eliminated the need for a clutch you could add on controls for something like that. There are cars that have similar systems for stability with motors on each wheel. Its all computer controlled on the cars. I am excited for where the EMX bikes can evolve to. You could have a company develop a chassis and use a powertrain from one of the big companies like you see with EMTB's. It could make it easier for a smaller company to start up and build custom sized chassis for different sized riders. Adding a taller subframe could be easier with the lack of the intake and exhaust. So maybe we could also see bikes made for smaller or taller riders. If more people are riding and more money comes into the sport , then there would be more funding and a larger pool of riders wanting the specialized items.The noise and shifting are only a part of riding. I hope that everybody try's a Stark Varg or Alta before writing them off. I know a few people that totally changed their minds after a 5 minute ride on an Alta. And as far as tuning , An EMX bike could be a tuners dream! Super adjustable power. add in engine breaking or remove it, with a GPS unit you could tune it to have a little more power in areas of the track that you wanted it and then maybe in corners that are slick you could have limited power or traction control and then in the air allow it to spin as much as needed incase of an endo that you had to spin up the rear wheel to drop the front . Or maybe there is a big hill you want that extra boost , but then the rest of the track is slick and its easier to ride at 40% power. ANd the GPS units could also be integrated into a warning system that could flash when in the area of another bike that has stopped , so it would be a self contained flagging system. Kinda like how google maps shows the traffic flow.The Varg comes with a phone on it so this could be an app somebody could make. Tracks could require the use of the app and it could help at the local level of racing. And in helmet communication could be a thing, just imagine being able to tune into the channel of your favorite rider and listen to them during the Moto? no or less sound from the engine would make this possible. Yes the charging is a drawback, and the cost of a battery will probably be similar to the cost of an ICE engine replacement or more. Problems should be fewer and less often , but most likely require a replacement item instead of repairing it. Hopefully the manufactures will be like Tesla and reuse/repair the damaged and old batteries. Offer a core for swapping an out of warranty battery. I am excited for what the future brings. Of course we could all just ride an RMZ450 if you are afraid of change. Like get rid of your evil electric start, if electric is so bad. Or another quick comparison. Powertools. take a cordless drill from the 1990's and compare it to a current drill. Most tools can now be cordless and outpower the corded versions when you buy the best of the best. RC cars, electric are way faster than the nitro and gas powered versions. People run electric RC cars because they are faster, and more fun to run. Unless the EMX bikes are better performing , and out perform in races, out sell in dealers, there will never be a changeover. So people with gas bikes , if the Gas powered bike is the best bike, it will survive and if not well you can be like the quad racers who rebuilt their 250R's and Quadracer 250's for long enough that the manufacture's made new versions of Race quads. Ultimately the Market will decide , the people riding will decide if EMX replaces fuel burning MX bikes or not. If there is money to be made , there will be parts made to keep the gas bikes alive as long as people want. But like with 4 strokes , if the EMX bike is the best platform , You will have all of the serious racers on them.
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jjavaman 6/16/2022 12:51pm
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The horse and buggy crowd was always saying there’s no gas stations around for those horseless carriages, they’ll never catch on. All I can say is I don’t think there’s a more negative bunch then moto people.
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The real Sasquatch 6/16/2022 1:07pm
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For a group that is always wanting the newest gear, the trick stuff for their bikes , etc. It's so strange to see so many people be so worked up about another step of evolution. All it took for me to be hooked on electric power was a few rides in and on quick electric vehicles. A scooter, golf cart, EMTB and then Tesla. each one was not the best version of the product. But the feel of the instant power. The torque , the smoothness. The people that do not like riding E MX bikes can stick to their gas bikes like now with 2 and 4 strokes. So why so mad??? only thing I can think of is deep down they know its going to be better. I could see it being better , or not. But I'm happy for the possibilities that Electric can bring.
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yz133rider 6/16/2022 1:18pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
For a group that is always wanting the newest gear, the trick stuff for their bikes , etc. It's so strange to see so many people...
For a group that is always wanting the newest gear, the trick stuff for their bikes , etc. It's so strange to see so many people be so worked up about another step of evolution. All it took for me to be hooked on electric power was a few rides in and on quick electric vehicles. A scooter, golf cart, EMTB and then Tesla. each one was not the best version of the product. But the feel of the instant power. The torque , the smoothness. The people that do not like riding E MX bikes can stick to their gas bikes like now with 2 and 4 strokes. So why so mad??? only thing I can think of is deep down they know its going to be better. I could see it being better , or not. But I'm happy for the possibilities that Electric can bring.
Because it’s a political move not a natural evolution or an improvement. It’s coming at the small price of our safety, freedoms, and independence....
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Johnny Ringo 6/16/2022 1:22pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
For a group that is always wanting the newest gear, the trick stuff for their bikes , etc. It's so strange to see so many people...
For a group that is always wanting the newest gear, the trick stuff for their bikes , etc. It's so strange to see so many people be so worked up about another step of evolution. All it took for me to be hooked on electric power was a few rides in and on quick electric vehicles. A scooter, golf cart, EMTB and then Tesla. each one was not the best version of the product. But the feel of the instant power. The torque , the smoothness. The people that do not like riding E MX bikes can stick to their gas bikes like now with 2 and 4 strokes. So why so mad??? only thing I can think of is deep down they know its going to be better. I could see it being better , or not. But I'm happy for the possibilities that Electric can bring.
If all motocrossers cared about the latest and greatest tech there would be no two strokes at the local tracks any more. Why do you think there’s a resurgence?
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