Kenny come out of the closet!!!

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KurtJ99 2/27/2022 11:06am
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RalphS wrote:
The bottom line for HRC is that they invested 6 years and 20M+ on him plus all the resources to support him and they have zero...
The bottom line for HRC is that they invested 6 years and 20M+ on him plus all the resources to support him and they have zero championships so he'd only be a seat warmer if he stays with them and I think his riding shows it.
Honda hasn't won a SX championship since 2003, their multi-decade investment across many riders is much more than $20M. Apparently it's something that money can't buy, but is required to be in the game.

Honda is in a tough spot. Can't NOT go with Sexton even with his rep for crashing.
Kenny won A1, whatever part of him that made him win is nearby, but seems to be getting further away.
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FerCzD 2/27/2022 11:06am
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dmoore611 wrote:
Pure speculation, but maybe Kenny’s been demoted to rider 2 and resources are being focused on Chase? He may be disappointed in his position as second...
Pure speculation, but maybe Kenny’s been demoted to rider 2 and resources are being focused on Chase? He may be disappointed in his position as second fiddle.
On that line of thought then, if he wants to be #1 guy in the team again go out and prove why you are and not be entitled on which he thinks his place should be.
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H4L 2/27/2022 11:08am
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Moto520 wrote:
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good. And……I’m a Honda guy at...
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good.

And……I’m a Honda guy at heart. Any one else feel this way about the bike?
Huh Someone should let #23 know how bad the bike is.
How did KR94 win so easy @ A1 if the bike is that bad ?
Don’t know if you’re new to the sport..
You do realize at that level the bikes are not the same bikes off the showroom floor ?
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Front242 2/27/2022 11:19am
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The bottom line for HRC is that they invested 6 years and 20M+ on him plus all the resources to support him and they have zero...
The bottom line for HRC is that they invested 6 years and 20M+ on him plus all the resources to support him and they have zero championships so he'd only be a seat warmer if he stays with them and I think his riding shows it.
and now they have to watch how he rides every Saturday race without any passion (laped 2 race)

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Front242 2/27/2022 11:22am
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Another hot take: When Andersson took him out he said fuck it, lets focus on outdoors.
with same up and downs like last year...will keep this thread alive forever haha
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BAMX 2/27/2022 11:27am
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In reality, there is only a handful of riders that will jump back on their bike asap and get back in the fight. It seems like most guys lag to get back going and then phone it in for the rest of the race. Same thing when they get passed. How many guys can you think of other than Anderson who will grab a handful and try to repass?
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mxridr 2/27/2022 11:30am
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Might be wrap for Roczen, he’s not even trying- once you don’t care anymore, fuhgedaboutit
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Aj528 2/27/2022 11:55am
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This is just a normal recency bias. Lately he has sucked so jump on the bandwagon. And we have been saying the same about Webb until...
This is just a normal recency bias. Lately he has sucked so jump on the bandwagon.
And we have been saying the same about Webb until he got a race (not overall) win.
Remember, Kenny has an overall win this year, not Webb. If KR goes the rest of the year without a win or drops out , retires all the prognosticators will (finally) be right about Kenny.
A win at the opener and radio silence since. Coop hasn’t been in 2021 form, but he is still trending upward, and despite not having a win and just two podiums he still has 30 points on Ken.
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Thisusernameisavailable 2/27/2022 12:02pm
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Moto520 wrote:
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good. And……I’m a Honda guy at...
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good.

And……I’m a Honda guy at heart. Any one else feel this way about the bike?
The 'new' CRF450 was new LAST season & Kenny put up a great fight winning multiple races and leading the championship for a good while.

Now, with over a years development, the 'new' bike is the problem...???? Where do you guys find this stuff??
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FIREfish148 2/27/2022 12:02pm
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He’ll win again
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kpiper 2/27/2022 4:58pm
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dmoore611 wrote:
Pure speculation, but maybe Kenny’s been demoted to rider 2 and resources are being focused on Chase? He may be disappointed in his position as second...
Pure speculation, but maybe Kenny’s been demoted to rider 2 and resources are being focused on Chase? He may be disappointed in his position as second fiddle.
Maybe they are not giving him the factory parts anymore like Kawi did to Tomac in the Nationals last summer?
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VetRider97 2/27/2022 5:15pm
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My thought...KR was close in both Supercross and outdoors championships last year and the only thing left is to win one but the minute it seems out of reach he backs down and isn't going to go all out or risk injury. Seems like you see it with a lot of riders. Motivation is everything.
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Chris_Buehler 2/27/2022 5:19pm
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Larry450 wrote:
Another hot take: When Andersson took him out he said fuck it, lets focus on outdoors.
Hasn't he been lapped multiple times lately? You think that guy wants to race 24 35min + 2 hot nasty brutal outdoor motos? He just looks over it
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dmoore611 2/27/2022 5:30pm
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On that line of thought then, if he wants to be #1 guy in the team again go out and prove why you are and not...
On that line of thought then, if he wants to be #1 guy in the team again go out and prove why you are and not be entitled on which he thinks his place should be.
You’d sure hope he’d use that as motivation. I was just throwing the idea out there. Really like the fact he’s even out there at all at this point after all those insane injuries.
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kpiper 2/27/2022 5:44pm
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Not counting the two times Anderson knocked him down but it seems like things went sideways after his crash in the whoops when Chase hit him.
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Moto520 2/27/2022 7:41pm
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Moto520 wrote:
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good. And……I’m a Honda guy at...
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good.

And……I’m a Honda guy at heart. Any one else feel this way about the bike?
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The 'new' CRF450 was new LAST season & Kenny put up a great fight winning multiple races and leading the championship for a good while. Now...
The 'new' CRF450 was new LAST season & Kenny put up a great fight winning multiple races and leading the championship for a good while.

Now, with over a years development, the 'new' bike is the problem...???? Where do you guys find this stuff??
If Roczen says the problem is the bike would you believe him?
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bthede489 2/27/2022 7:58pm
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If Roczen says the problem is the bike would you believe him?
It might be a problem for him… I’d have to ask him why Brayton and Friese are now seemingly matching your pace on the same bike with, frankly, half the raw talent. Oh yeah, and Sexton is on the same bike too and whips your ass. So, a 37 year old has it pretty figured out, a guy who raced half the season on 250s has it figured out, your teammate has it figured out, but the bike is the problem for specifically you? I watched MX Nation Kenny, I know you hated those forks on the Suzuki for outdoors, but at least then you didn’t let it decide your results before you even lined up. Sometimes these guys stop feeling “comfortable” and immediately decide they can’t win because suspension etc. Sometimes you just need to change your attitude and figure out how to ride the track! What I see with a lot of riders (as someone involved in the industry) is, they try something, and if it doesn’t go well, they blame the bike immediately without changing their tactics. They then decide they can’t do said thing such as skim the whoops because of bike. They then jump the whoops. Complain suspension sucks when jumping whoops. Now hates the bike totally, and decides the bike is shit. There’s sometimes more steps, but still Feels like Roczen.
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Motodave15 2/27/2022 9:05pm
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I’m like 95% sure he crashed during the week after A1… and hurt something badly and is trying to tough it out without saying a peep.
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tuggy450 2/27/2022 10:29pm
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Class has changed, Look at the top ten guys. Would you be surprised really if any one of them clicked off a supercross win?

Tomac anderson, stewart, webb, marvin, barcia, sexton, ferrandis, plessinger roczen, Most guys have either won in the 450 class already or are prior champions.
Go further back, brayton mccelrath, savatgy bogle, wilson, etc, these guys get a crazy start and anything can happen. . On their best days can give anyone a run for their money.

Roczen currently sits in 9th place. So maybe he isn't quite 100% whether it is the bike or him, mentally or physically.

Take anyone in the top ten, they could click off several wins straight and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. Makes every race great IMO. This is not 250 west sx. where maybe 3 guys have a shot but one guy pretty much dominates
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mxmasta 2/27/2022 10:41pm
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As anyone on here can speculate whatever crosses his mind (true or not) I might add that it looked like his wife rode his bike last weekend…
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washeduprider367 2/27/2022 11:45pm
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What has happened to the 94!? It's the weirdest shit to watch on the broadcast. The leaders are lapping him he's rolling the whoops like Jeff...
What has happened to the 94!? It's the weirdest shit to watch on the broadcast. The leaders are lapping him he's rolling the whoops like Jeff Alessi and we are supposed to be ok with all this lol? He really needs to come out and say what the fuck is wrong at this point. I'm sure the Honda brass is ripping their hair out as their stars only tv time is when he's getting lapped or down. He won that season opener with ease and it's been all down hill since then
There is some kind of underlying health problem thats been going on for years now that for whatever reason they won't tell anyone about. Its like one weekend he's up front looking healthy and rides the entire race at 100%, and then the next weekend he rides hard for about 5 minutes and his whole body is just toast. I really don't mind either way but if he's really just not up to the job anymore i really feel like its time for him to retire before he gets himself hurt. Im a massive ken fan and have been for years but there comes a point when its just time to hang it up. He's obviously just not really capable anymore.
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bd 2/27/2022 11:50pm
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I wish Moto media would do its job and ask him the tough questions. Vital speculation is as worthless as tits on a bull.
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MickyT 2/27/2022 11:51pm
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bthede489 wrote:
The big problem with Kenny, is that it feels like he goes into every season secretly wishing for a reason why he can’t win, so he...
The big problem with Kenny, is that it feels like he goes into every season secretly wishing for a reason why he can’t win, so he doesn’t have to be expected to be at that level. Old Kenny every year said fuck it, I’m the one. I can win this, no matter what. New Kenny I think is deathly scared of that pressure, and frankly with his history it would be an easy thing to add up subconsciously. “The Pressure of winning has literally almost ended my life multiple times, so I’m just going to make sure I don’t think I can win”. Easy.
The main reason I have watched Supercross for the last 5-10 years is because of Kenny! Man can that dude ride a bike! Unfortunately for a long time he almost wants a crash to happen to lessen the pressure! You can almost read it in him that the pressure gets too much! He can sprint like no one can but can’t handle pressure for some reason! Have you seen how fast he can be on the first lap of some MX races! There is no one who can do what he can!
His inability to deal with pressure and letting Webb manhandle him last year has hurt his confidence!
Last year You had people like Pastrana saying Webb was abusing him! Pastrana said Kenny had to stand up for himself and Kenny did nothing!
Look at this year, Anderson, Barcia, Stewart and others just push him out of the way! Cause he won’t stand up for himself it has become a major issue and now this combined with his inability to deal with pressure means he is out mentally! I was really hoping he would get a mental coach in the off season and start taking full responsibility for every that happens to him like Webb does, but after his VERY FIRST CRASH this year he blamed the bike rather than himself!
Until he takes ownership of himself and learns how to deal with pressure he won’t win another title!
I hope I am wrong so bad but the evidence so far says otherwise!
I doubt a team change will help either although I hope I am wrong their also!
No one goes from 1st to regularly 10-15!
He went 16-9-16 at Arlington!! WTF??
If not I’d really rather see him retire! It’s almost impossible to watch a full on bad ass like him putt around in 16th doing 1 whoop at a time!
There is no way he is enjoying this!
Yes the bike may have issues but it’s the same bike as last year! He came2nd on it last year how far wrong could they have gone with the settings??
Sexton is a regular podium dude in the same bike!
Come on Kenny sort it out, take the year off, get healthy and get your mind right and come back, win that elusive SX title and ride off into the sunset like a badass!!🤘🤘
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MickyT 2/27/2022 11:58pm
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Brett_Clark wrote:
What has happened to the 94!? It's the weirdest shit to watch on the broadcast. The leaders are lapping him he's rolling the whoops like Jeff...
What has happened to the 94!? It's the weirdest shit to watch on the broadcast. The leaders are lapping him he's rolling the whoops like Jeff Alessi and we are supposed to be ok with all this lol? He really needs to come out and say what the fuck is wrong at this point. I'm sure the Honda brass is ripping their hair out as their stars only tv time is when he's getting lapped or down. He won that season opener with ease and it's been all down hill since then
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He crashed, that’s why he got lapped, as he has regularly lately. I’m sure that Honda knows exactly what’s going on. Doesn’t look good that’s for...
He crashed, that’s why he got lapped, as he has regularly lately. I’m sure that Honda knows exactly what’s going on.
Doesn’t look good that’s for sure and we’ll find out the reason why, sooner or later.
I actually doubt Honda knows what going on! I thought Honda would demand he stood up to Webb last year but I think they are too scared to piss Kenny off and now it’s to late!! t seems that way to me anyway! How else could they just let him lose the title last year by just watching him go a mile wide and let Webb through at Atlanta! I thought we would see Honda pressuring him to give it to Webb!
Would Roger DeCoster let his riders just take shit like that without giving any back??
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Break295 2/28/2022 12:01am
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I wonder if Ken isn’t just having trouble coping with the fact it isn’t as easy anymore. When you perform at his level for so long.. then injuries happen (especially the degree of injuries he has been through) and you get older and your body starts fall off a little bit.. and now maybe those injuries become even more of a hindrance. I could see those changes and the added difficulty being a hard pill to swallow- especially when it used to come (comparatively) easy for him. I don’t know the guy and I’m not an insider- just a thought. Either way, I’ve been a fan since he fought his way back from the arm injuries. I’m sure he could’ve retired, cashed in his insurance policies and lived better than most of us, but didn’t.
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MickyT 2/28/2022 12:17am
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Moto520 wrote:
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good. And……I’m a Honda guy at...
Ride the new CRF450. Then….immediately after……ride a KX450 (or Yamaha/ ktm). You will feel the problem. The bike doesn’t feel good.

And……I’m a Honda guy at heart. Any one else feel this way about the bike?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The 'new' CRF450 was new LAST season & Kenny put up a great fight winning multiple races and leading the championship for a good while. Now...
The 'new' CRF450 was new LAST season & Kenny put up a great fight winning multiple races and leading the championship for a good while.

Now, with over a years development, the 'new' bike is the problem...???? Where do you guys find this stuff??
That’s my issue with it! No 2 bike last year NOW it’s crap??? I was hoping he would get a sports psychologist and stop the blaming! Only then will he grow!!
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suspensionguy 2/28/2022 12:21am
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Leaves Suzuki, results continuely decline. Odd. Cool
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jorgechavez 2/28/2022 1:03am
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bd wrote:
I wish Moto media would do its job and ask him the tough questions. Vital speculation is as worthless as tits on a bull.
Excuse my speculation but my guess is he isn’t making himself available to have that question asked. Maybe I’m wrong but I can’t seem to remember him doing any interviews over the past few weeks.
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Moto520 wrote:
If Roczen says the problem is the bike would you believe him?
bthede489 wrote:
It might be a problem for him… I’d have to ask him why Brayton and Friese are now seemingly matching your pace on the same bike...
It might be a problem for him… I’d have to ask him why Brayton and Friese are now seemingly matching your pace on the same bike with, frankly, half the raw talent. Oh yeah, and Sexton is on the same bike too and whips your ass. So, a 37 year old has it pretty figured out, a guy who raced half the season on 250s has it figured out, your teammate has it figured out, but the bike is the problem for specifically you? I watched MX Nation Kenny, I know you hated those forks on the Suzuki for outdoors, but at least then you didn’t let it decide your results before you even lined up. Sometimes these guys stop feeling “comfortable” and immediately decide they can’t win because suspension etc. Sometimes you just need to change your attitude and figure out how to ride the track! What I see with a lot of riders (as someone involved in the industry) is, they try something, and if it doesn’t go well, they blame the bike immediately without changing their tactics. They then decide they can’t do said thing such as skim the whoops because of bike. They then jump the whoops. Complain suspension sucks when jumping whoops. Now hates the bike totally, and decides the bike is shit. There’s sometimes more steps, but still Feels like Roczen.
That's like saying there is nothing wrong with the bike for Webb, musquin, AP. Mookie are doing great!
It is individual, fully and bike and parts evolve.

Just shows you don't understand how important bike setup is for the top riders.

Tomac got his bike dialed at round 3, A1, not happy.

If there is something wrong with the bike for a champion like roczen, there probably is. The whoops we have seen this year, has not been there before. Pretty much every interviewed rider has mentioned that.
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vet40 2/28/2022 2:34am
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I think a lot of you guys are over thinking it.

Roczen clearly doesn’t have a problem riding fast around an SX track. His problem is he can’t race an SX track as well as his competition at the moment.

I think if he genuinely had as negative a view as some of these comments he wouldn’t be lining up each wk end. He’s lining up as he still feels he can make improvements, have better luck, avoid being taken out & win.

It’s all about self belief. Whether it materialises is another thing, but when you consider what he has already come back from & won, those that doubt him are fools.



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