Up Close of Malcom and Marvin Exchange

1/12/2022 5:51pm
TDeath21 wrote:
Marv is 100% right. It was definitely aggressive but Malcolm has had a reputation throughout his career of never checking up when needed. Not sure if...
Marv is 100% right. It was definitely aggressive but Malcolm has had a reputation throughout his career of never checking up when needed. Not sure if that’s an awareness issue or just a refusing to let off the throttle issue. Either way this definitely could have been avoided.
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make an aggressive pass and can just go on by without trouble.
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1/12/2022 5:55pm
TDeath21 wrote:
Marv is 100% right. It was definitely aggressive but Malcolm has had a reputation throughout his career of never checking up when needed. Not sure if...
Marv is 100% right. It was definitely aggressive but Malcolm has had a reputation throughout his career of never checking up when needed. Not sure if that’s an awareness issue or just a refusing to let off the throttle issue. Either way this definitely could have been avoided.
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make...
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make an aggressive pass and can just go on by without trouble.
Yeah when they have the inside on a corner for a block pass.

Go back and watch some mid 00s SX. Reed and Carmichael block passed each other more times than I can count and I can only think of one time one of them went down. 03 SLC.
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1/12/2022 6:00pm
TDeath21 wrote:
Marv is 100% right. It was definitely aggressive but Malcolm has had a reputation throughout his career of never checking up when needed. Not sure if...
Marv is 100% right. It was definitely aggressive but Malcolm has had a reputation throughout his career of never checking up when needed. Not sure if that’s an awareness issue or just a refusing to let off the throttle issue. Either way this definitely could have been avoided.
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make...
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make an aggressive pass and can just go on by without trouble.
TDeath21 wrote:
Yeah when they have the inside on a corner for a block pass. Go back and watch some mid 00s SX. Reed and Carmichael block passed...
Yeah when they have the inside on a corner for a block pass.

Go back and watch some mid 00s SX. Reed and Carmichael block passed each other more times than I can count and I can only think of one time one of them went down. 03 SLC.
Dude. The only reason this is even a discussion is because Marv took them BOTH down. Dumb move. Period. It was aggressive. Not dirty. Aggressive is FINE! IMO Malcolm wouldn’t have even confronted Marv if they both didn’t go down. Malcolm didn’t need to check up, Marvin should’ve been headed back down the berm when the came in contact. Not up the berm.
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1/12/2022 6:07pm
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make...
Ya, right. So when anyone is getting close to passing, the guy in front should just slow down so the guy behind doesn’t have to make an aggressive pass and can just go on by without trouble.
TDeath21 wrote:
Yeah when they have the inside on a corner for a block pass. Go back and watch some mid 00s SX. Reed and Carmichael block passed...
Yeah when they have the inside on a corner for a block pass.

Go back and watch some mid 00s SX. Reed and Carmichael block passed each other more times than I can count and I can only think of one time one of them went down. 03 SLC.
Dude. The only reason this is even a discussion is because Marv took them BOTH down. Dumb move. Period. It was aggressive. Not dirty. Aggressive is...
Dude. The only reason this is even a discussion is because Marv took them BOTH down. Dumb move. Period. It was aggressive. Not dirty. Aggressive is FINE! IMO Malcolm wouldn’t have even confronted Marv if they both didn’t go down. Malcolm didn’t need to check up, Marvin should’ve been headed back down the berm when the came in contact. Not up the berm.
More often than not, if there’s a block pass being attempted and the person getting passed/on the outside doesn’t check up, both riders go down. That’s what my original post was referring to. Either Stewart doesn’t have the awareness or his mentality is you ain’t block passing me because if you do we will both go down.
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Can't wait to see Malcom on the podium. One if my favorite riders
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1/12/2022 6:45pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2022 6:47pm
Malcolm was right. Marv fooked up. If you try to pass someone, and you both end up on the ground, then you fooked up.
On the other hand if you run wide and you know someone is that close, is there not wisdom in checking up and going on?

Similarly, I’d guess there is a pretty good chance Marv could have made the pass by running it low and turning right like you often see Webb do.

To me it’s just a SX pass gone wrong but I don’t see how you can solely blame one guy in this instance… the best guy’s awareness keeps them in the race in these sorts of cases.
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1/12/2022 7:05pm
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The one where Malcom T-bones JA , the first one or even more the second one , is just f up and dangerous! Nothing compared what...
The one where Malcom T-bones JA , the first one or even more the second one , is just f up and dangerous! Nothing compared what Marvin did to him . Reading this responses on that here make me think that I am on some BLM platform and not vital! WTF is wrong with u people these days ?
Congrats on being a POS
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1/12/2022 7:15pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2022 7:17pm
500 Mike wrote:
Is Stewart going to do that to Anderson when he gets pay back for cleaning him out in the heat race last week? I think not...
Is Stewart going to do that to Anderson when he gets pay back for cleaning him out in the heat race last week? I think not. Jason would not be as courteous as Marvin.
Put on your glasses and watch it again:
#1. Anderson and Malcolm were along side each other on the preceding rhythm section. Jason even pinched Mookie over to the left on the on-off, which is a bit sketcy. The point is, Anderson already knew he was in a battle with Malcolm, and he was right there beside him
#2. When they landed, Malcolms wheel was already along side Jason.
#3 Malcolmn's line was essentially parallel with Jason's.
#4. Malcolmn's bike NEVER TOUCHED Jason's.

How exactly did Malcolm "take out" Jason with there was not even bike contact. Go ask Anderson about this move...he will laugh at you. He would acknowledge it was a near perfect pass.

Compare this to Marv
#1 Malcolm was already on the ground, leaned over, turning in....and Marv was still in the air.
#2 The angle of lines was almost perpendicular.
#3 Marv did a brake slide, and his rear pivoted into Malcolm's front so hard it blew the bike out from under Malcolm.
#4 Oh yeah...Marv also CRASHED HIMSELF OUT. Did Mookie crash trying to pass Jason? Yeah...of course not because they never touched. When you CRASH yourself trying to pass someone, THEN YOU F***ED UP.

Malcolm was 100% on the money with everything he said, and Marv should own his mistake. Everyone knows Marv did not do this on purpose. It was just a huge misjudgment and a bad bad decision. He should own it.

In life, when everyone under the sun knows you screwed up, and you keep insisting you did not, you are just being weak, and digging your hole deeper. Man up and own it.
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1/12/2022 7:27pm
Malcolm is a respectable man and felt like he was robbed. Which he was and we would all be feeling the same way in the same situation. Marvin is a respectable man as well, no less then Malcolm. Its just racing. It happens. Making decisions at 1/1000th a second is not a normal persons day. Mistakes happen at that pace. Decision making isnt always perfect, but lets remember they love it and thats why they do it. We get to watch and feel a connection to their experience.

Thank you God for Dirt Bikes and all the Riders.
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1/12/2022 7:36pm
I don't believe there are any intentional take out moves,too much at stake here.
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1/12/2022 7:37pm
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Malcolm is a respectable man and felt like he was robbed. Which he was and we would all be feeling the same way in the same...
Malcolm is a respectable man and felt like he was robbed. Which he was and we would all be feeling the same way in the same situation. Marvin is a respectable man as well, no less then Malcolm. Its just racing. It happens. Making decisions at 1/1000th a second is not a normal persons day. Mistakes happen at that pace. Decision making isnt always perfect, but lets remember they love it and thats why they do it. We get to watch and feel a connection to their experience.

Thank you God for Dirt Bikes and all the Riders.
Agree it was a mistake 100%. That is the point. Marv needs to own it. I do not understand why otherwise strong people get so insecure and act so weak when they screw up. In life, when you screw up, the best thing you can do is own it. Making excuses just makes you look weak and dishonest.
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1/12/2022 8:33pm
#1 Rubbin is racing
#2 The French, historically, don't defend themselves well
#3 This is entertaining stuff. Better than them riding around kissing each other.
$4 It's nice to have SX back isn't!
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1/12/2022 8:55pm
TDeath21 wrote:
More often than not, if there’s a block pass being attempted and the person getting passed/on the outside doesn’t check up, both riders go down. That’s...
More often than not, if there’s a block pass being attempted and the person getting passed/on the outside doesn’t check up, both riders go down. That’s what my original post was referring to. Either Stewart doesn’t have the awareness or his mentality is you ain’t block passing me because if you do we will both go down.
Wrong. Only two outcomes in the situation Marvin created; either Malcolm goes down or they both go down. No way Malcolm was staying up with Marv's trajectory in that corner.
Not saying Malcolm said eff it and took Marv down on purpose, but once Marv committed it was Malcolm or both.
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1/12/2022 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2022 9:14pm
TDeath21 wrote:
More often than not, if there’s a block pass being attempted and the person getting passed/on the outside doesn’t check up, both riders go down. That’s...
More often than not, if there’s a block pass being attempted and the person getting passed/on the outside doesn’t check up, both riders go down. That’s what my original post was referring to. Either Stewart doesn’t have the awareness or his mentality is you ain’t block passing me because if you do we will both go down.
Wrong. Only two outcomes in the situation Marvin created; either Malcolm goes down or they both go down. No way Malcolm was staying up with Marv's...
Wrong. Only two outcomes in the situation Marvin created; either Malcolm goes down or they both go down. No way Malcolm was staying up with Marv's trajectory in that corner.
Not saying Malcolm said eff it and took Marv down on purpose, but once Marv committed it was Malcolm or both.
Bullshit.

You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv?

Mookie left the door open.


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1/12/2022 9:16pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2022 9:24pm
CPR wrote:
Bullshit. You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv? Mookie left the...
Bullshit.

You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv?

Mookie left the door open.


Man I really think it was one or both of them, but sitting in the stands or watching it on TV we'll never know for sure.
I guess I can't say 100% he couldn't avoid it, but it was definitely a bonehead move by Marv.
My biggest problem is how Marv handled it after, it's always an excuse or something. At least when Barcia (recently) or Anderson clean someone out they admit it.
Sorry, I know we are all supposed to scream and yell at each other in here, but I was like ah hell, maybe you're right 😂
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1/12/2022 11:17pm
CPR wrote:
Bullshit. You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv? Mookie left the...
Bullshit.

You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv?

Mookie left the door open.


Man I really think it was one or both of them, but sitting in the stands or watching it on TV we'll never know for sure...
Man I really think it was one or both of them, but sitting in the stands or watching it on TV we'll never know for sure.
I guess I can't say 100% he couldn't avoid it, but it was definitely a bonehead move by Marv.
My biggest problem is how Marv handled it after, it's always an excuse or something. At least when Barcia (recently) or Anderson clean someone out they admit it.
Sorry, I know we are all supposed to scream and yell at each other in here, but I was like ah hell, maybe you're right 😂
Just stop and think about it from Marv’s point of view, how he handled it with what you say is an excuse:
He’s just coming off the track and hasn’t had the luxury of seeing a replay.
All he knows is, he got in front and clear of Mookie and blocked his line, and is then hit and goes down.
He was obviously expecting Mookie to brake and cut under, which is logically why he asked “ why didn’t you brake?”.

That’s not an excuse, that’s a reasonable question from his point of view at the time.

Could Marv have executed the block pass more cleanly? Yes.
Could Mookie have checked up, avoided contact and cut down? Yes.

Racing incident.
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1/12/2022 11:29pm
CPR wrote:
Just stop and think about it from Marv’s point of view, how he handled it with what you say is an excuse: He’s just coming off...
Just stop and think about it from Marv’s point of view, how he handled it with what you say is an excuse:
He’s just coming off the track and hasn’t had the luxury of seeing a replay.
All he knows is, he got in front and clear of Mookie and blocked his line, and is then hit and goes down.
He was obviously expecting Mookie to brake and cut under, which is logically why he asked “ why didn’t you brake?”.

That’s not an excuse, that’s a reasonable question from his point of view at the time.

Could Marv have executed the block pass more cleanly? Yes.
Could Mookie have checked up, avoided contact and cut down? Yes.

Racing incident.
Yeah Marv was waaaay inside I can only assume he thought he was giving Malcolm an option.. And could've even been pissed off at Malcolm at that stage..

I've never raced a supercross before so I don't know for sure if Malcolm knew or thought he could've been there to feel the need to brake..

I do laugh at all the people saying 'oh another bone headed move by Musquin' or 'Musquin always rides like this' I must have a very short memory
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1/13/2022 2:55am
I don’t have a problem with Marvin doing things like this but with that being said, he will never hold himself accountable when he does things like this. He always tries to wiggle out of it with explanations that make no sense whatsoever. I wish sometimes he would just own it. (Like when he pulled over for Dungey, took out Tomac years ago and for this past Saturday). It so soft.
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Here's last year.
Here's last year.

He should’ve braked.
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CPR wrote:
Bullshit. You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv? Mookie left the...
Bullshit.

You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv?

Mookie left the door open.


Man I really think it was one or both of them, but sitting in the stands or watching it on TV we'll never know for sure...
Man I really think it was one or both of them, but sitting in the stands or watching it on TV we'll never know for sure.
I guess I can't say 100% he couldn't avoid it, but it was definitely a bonehead move by Marv.
My biggest problem is how Marv handled it after, it's always an excuse or something. At least when Barcia (recently) or Anderson clean someone out they admit it.
Sorry, I know we are all supposed to scream and yell at each other in here, but I was like ah hell, maybe you're right 😂
What excuse did Marvin make? Did I miss that?

Good lord some of you are worse than whiny little girls. I can guarantee Marvin and Malcolm are over it more than some of you. But then again, they are both true professionals and know how quickly stuff like this happens and how easy it is to make less than ideal decisions in a split second.
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1/13/2022 6:14am
Pooski wrote:
I don’t have a problem with Marvin doing things like this but with that being said, he will never hold himself accountable when he does things...
I don’t have a problem with Marvin doing things like this but with that being said, he will never hold himself accountable when he does things like this. He always tries to wiggle out of it with explanations that make no sense whatsoever. I wish sometimes he would just own it. (Like when he pulled over for Dungey, took out Tomac years ago and for this past Saturday). It so soft.
This. Marvin seems like a genuinely nice, cat-loving guy, but he refuses to own his shit. It's hard to respect that.
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1/13/2022 6:15am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2022 7:09am
CPR wrote:
Bullshit. You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv? Mookie left the...
Bullshit.

You really think Mookie didn’t see this coming? Had zero chance of checking up and doing the old switcharoo back under Marv?

Mookie left the door open.


Indeed.


Also it's not at all a take out move. (beside, if you want a take out move, go to look at the last one of Barcia to Anderson, it's a text book display...)

Musquin leave the door well open, however Malcom stick to his trajectory and somehow came to hit Musquin.

Malcom made the dumb move.

Musquin could have been pissed towards Malcom but he is to nice for that (and everybody take advantage of that,
and all the more, he is french (that remind the long history of totally biased lynching of his fellow countryman on this stage) .


All in all, it's just a text book racing incident, who happen in SX at each gate drop.
I wonder why, just for this case, such crazy amount of incisive, biased, talks...
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Racing incident. This is SX. Period.
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1/13/2022 11:05am
Shenzi wrote:
Racing incident. This is SX. Period.
What's up buddy?
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1/13/2022 6:31pm
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Ten years racing SX in the States, and still unable to complete a proper blockpass.
Shame!
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But he loves cats and his Wife is really nice and an integral part of his program so we should all look the other way....
You're an asshole failing miserably
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1/13/2022 7:57pm
Ok…first of all, I’m a huge MM fan…but he came off here like a whiney baby. Malcolm has my vote as being 100% more classy & composed than I would’ve been. It wasn’t Mookies responsibility to brake… it was Marvins responsibility not to take out Malcom’s front end when he was clearly in a rut…and screw up the night for both of them!! Oh well…onto Oakland.
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1/13/2022 9:43pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2022 11:08pm
Malcom being Classy and Composed?

That video shows something very,Very , far from either of those 2 things.

Classy and Composed would have Not been yelling and damned near screaming at Marv, but steadily and reasonably - well, indeed forcefully, putting his view on the racing incident to Marvin. Marvin looked like he took the hissy fit - that's what it was - for a while, and then he responded in kind.

I like Marv and Malcom, I've no axe to grind over either, but this whole thing is a beat up, with a bunch of butt hurt 'fanbois' and 'haters' crapping on about it.

It's Supercross - a side of the sport made for entertainment, aggression and, unfortunately, it's very heavy on take outs. It's almost designed for it to be inevitable, being such tiny, vicious little tracks. It is, the way it is.

There's been hundreds of incidents like this over the years, and there will be hundreds more, as the Stadium based sport continues.
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1/13/2022 10:10pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2022 10:11pm
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To me this shows how strong Malcolm's mental game is this year. This is as composed as it gets after getting taken out. Notice how Malcolm...
To me this shows how strong Malcolm's mental game is this year. This is as composed as it gets after getting taken out. Notice how Malcolm isn't aggressive toward Marvin or calling him names or anything and Marvin is all worked up and just yelling at him about braking. Malcolm sees the big picture and Marv is a deer in the headlights.
Very well said. Marvin rides very emotional. It got him where he is at today but has been a weakness in his professional career. There’s not much prefrontal cortex (PFC) action going on behind #25’s bars. PFC functions are controlling short-sightedness, planning, decision-making, problem-solving, self-control, and acting with long-term goals in mind. #GoMalcom #BooooooMarvin
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1/13/2022 10:21pm
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You got a clip from literally 8 years ago of him in the 250 class. You really proved your point.
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Here's last year.
Here's last year.

Good observation, Malcom rides aggressive - point made.

What does this have to do with Malcom losing his second career 450 podium and handling it like the bigger man in this situation?
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there is a double standard when it comes to takes outs. Barcia gets away with anything and no one gets mad: oh hes Bam Bam thats what he does. but if Marv does the same thing people criticize him. the ama does nothing because basically take outs make them rich with viewers and even outside media picking up on it
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