STARK FUTURE VARG - An Electric Bike that is Faster and Lighter than a 450?

Bruce372 wrote:

I grew up on a farm in the North of England and own a home in the Midwest. So jog on mate

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I’m guessing that home in the Midwest is your second home away from Silicon Valley?

Silas444 wrote:

Holy crap, it's like it's the Spring of 1974 all over again and Honda just released the CR125 Elsinore. Most guys are delirious with joy, but...

Holy crap, it's like it's the Spring of 1974 all over again and Honda just released the CR125 Elsinore. Most guys are delirious with joy, but a sad few are whining and bitching about how much they're going to miss wrenching on the Sachs transmissions of their suddenly obsolete Pentons.

Johnny Ringo, your capacity for narrow-mindedness and reflexive hostility is legendary around here - this, we know - but whether you're willing to acknowledge it or not, we all woke up to the future this morning. Well then, is it perfect? No, it is not. Is it everything we could hope for? No, it is not. Is it inexpensive? No, it is not. Is it The Future regardless? Yup.

Take heart, you can still head out to Pala or wherever with that guy who says he could never put up with an electric bike because he motos 8 hours straight 8 days a week, and you can sniff his spent VP exhaust fumes to your heart's content. He'll be your "huckleberry," so there's that. And should you become lonely out there at the track and find yourself curious where the rest of us have run off to, let me fill you in: we're all quietly riding at a host of newly formed private tracks whilst reveling in where this glorious sport is now headed.

HonDawg17 wrote:

Oh i'm sorry. They lost me when the video was plastered with photo montage of nothing and overhype, then follow by Gordon Bombay posing in a...

Oh i'm sorry. They lost me when the video was plastered with photo montage of nothing and overhype, then follow by Gordon Bombay posing in a turtleneck behind the bike like he just invented motorcycles for the first time in history. E-Bikes aren't worth my time. BTW how about you check my "quote" bud. Stop being such a triggery rut puddle. lol

OldPro277 wrote:

Here’s the “quote” that I remember from you that demonstrates the amount of delusional thinking that you exude *****Well I was going for my pro license...

Here’s the “quote” that I remember from you that demonstrates the amount of delusional thinking that you exude

*****Well I was going for my pro license and ran out of money because this sport is a money pit. And then the 12 month criteria expires and you have to start again. So yeah if I had more money I would have went pro.*****


Remember that one from a few months ago.??? From that point forward I couldn’t take ANY of your opinions seriously.

LMAO

Last word from me on this Stark Ebike or any of the others we are sure to see in the coming months/years. I applaud any manufacturer that spends the time,money and effort to create a new platform. I 100% hope it is as described.and is successful. And this is coming from a guy that hates 4strokes and feel that real moto was ridden on smelly old 2strokes since 1972

HonDawg17 wrote:

Nice personal attack on my life experience and bank account with motocross. Real cute. And it's true. I live in MN, we can only ride from...

Nice personal attack on my life experience and bank account with motocross. Real cute. And it's true. I live in MN, we can only ride from April until end of September if lucky. That's 6 months we're behind every year from southern states. So I had to fit in 12 months of points in 4 months realistically. So yes, please shame me for trying you @sshole.

bite_the_curb wrote:

didnt watch the full video but the only real downside of e-bikes is charge time. you cant moto it all day like you can w/ a...

didnt watch the full video but the only real downside of e-bikes is charge time. you cant moto it all day like you can w/ a ICE engine bike

still very cool though

Chippy wrote:

Rosso391 is doing a great job trolling and derailing this thread off of the subject of the bike. Just stop responding to him. Many of us...

Rosso391 is doing a great job trolling and derailing this thread off of the subject of the bike. Just stop responding to him.

Many of us were bummed to see Alta not make it, and you gotta commend this new company to pull off what they did for some exciting progression of the sport and push past where Alta ceased. If you don't want the sport to progress, that's pretty sad really...

HonDawg17 wrote:

"I'm just here to stir $hit up" is my saying. Seems I got more than a few people riled up on here. Jeez. I'm for progression...

"I'm just here to stir $hit up" is my saying. Seems I got more than a few people riled up on here. Jeez. I'm for progression, BUT electric isn't the way to go. IN MY OPINION. And I only say that because the "zero emission" nonsense doesn't sell in reality. Your house is getting power from 60-70% coal or fossil fuel power plants. And if you are charging your bike at the track on your generator it's still using fuel. This bike DOES look better than Alta on paper. I just want to see the real head to head proof. Not a slow motion and chopped video showing nothing useful.

OldPro277 wrote:

Here’s the “quote” that I remember from you that demonstrates the amount of delusional thinking that you exude *****Well I was going for my pro license...

Here’s the “quote” that I remember from you that demonstrates the amount of delusional thinking that you exude

*****Well I was going for my pro license and ran out of money because this sport is a money pit. And then the 12 month criteria expires and you have to start again. So yeah if I had more money I would have went pro.*****


Remember that one from a few months ago.??? From that point forward I couldn’t take ANY of your opinions seriously.

LMAO

Last word from me on this Stark Ebike or any of the others we are sure to see in the coming months/years. I applaud any manufacturer that spends the time,money and effort to create a new platform. I 100% hope it is as described.and is successful. And this is coming from a guy that hates 4strokes and feel that real moto was ridden on smelly old 2strokes since 1972

HonDawg17 wrote:

Nice personal attack on my life experience and bank account with motocross. Real cute. And it's true. I live in MN, we can only ride from...

Nice personal attack on my life experience and bank account with motocross. Real cute. And it's true. I live in MN, we can only ride from April until end of September if lucky. That's 6 months we're behind every year from southern states. So I had to fit in 12 months of points in 4 months realistically. So yes, please shame me for trying you @sshole.

OldPro277 wrote:

Strike a chord ,ay??? Plenty of us got our Pro card under similar circumstances—- northern climate/ limited funds ,no parts, borrowing bikes, etc etc. But…. We...

Strike a chord ,ay??? Plenty of us got our Pro card under similar circumstances—- northern climate/ limited funds ,no parts, borrowing bikes, etc etc. But…. We made it. Somewhere along the way you need to accept the reality that you just weren’t fast enough to score the points or to catch someone’s eye that could help finance your way to the bigs.

My perception of you is that you get pissed when someone disagrees with you and calls you out on your misguided notions. AND you have a habit of. “ making excuses “ instead of “ making things happen “


Here’s a thought— how about TRYING one of these Electric bikes before you say they suck?? I know Darryn Durham and AJ were both pretty impressed with the first gen Alta..

bite_the_curb wrote:

didnt watch the full video but the only real downside of e-bikes is charge time. you cant moto it all day like you can w/ a...

didnt watch the full video but the only real downside of e-bikes is charge time. you cant moto it all day like you can w/ a ICE engine bike

still very cool though

soggy wrote:

Motoing ‘all day for most is only an hour or two off run time

HonDawg17 wrote:

It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to...

It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to what we currently have. If its not actually better in at least 75% of the checklist, its irrellevant.

OldPro277 wrote:

At 6' 3"-- 215, I doubt that is my problem, lmao---- My issue with your comments , is that you obviously didn't even bother to watch...

At 6' 3"-- 215, I doubt that is my problem, lmao---- My issue with your comments , is that you obviously didn't even bother to watch the video (which is full of information) before you threw up your diatribe. The bike has an infinite amount of tunability ---including how much "engine braking" you can dial up, among many other attributes.

At least familiarize yourself with something before you bash it---particularly stating "problems" that aren't even there.. Makes you look a bit ridiculous

HonDawg17 wrote:

You left out how much you bench numbnuts. Give me a break. It's my opinion and you jumped on it like elon. Chill out snowflake. I...

You left out how much you bench numbnuts. Give me a break. It's my opinion and you jumped on it like elon. Chill out snowflake. I watched the video, and I know its NOT going to be as good as it says. It never is. So go home snowflake. Stop being offended by everything.

HonDawg17 wrote:

Nice personal attack on my life experience and bank account with motocross. Real cute. And it's true. I live in MN, we can only ride from...

Nice personal attack on my life experience and bank account with motocross. Real cute. And it's true. I live in MN, we can only ride from April until end of September if lucky. That's 6 months we're behind every year from southern states. So I had to fit in 12 months of points in 4 months realistically. So yes, please shame me for trying you @sshole.

OldPro277 wrote:

Strike a chord ,ay??? Plenty of us got our Pro card under similar circumstances—- northern climate/ limited funds ,no parts, borrowing bikes, etc etc. But…. We...

Strike a chord ,ay??? Plenty of us got our Pro card under similar circumstances—- northern climate/ limited funds ,no parts, borrowing bikes, etc etc. But…. We made it. Somewhere along the way you need to accept the reality that you just weren’t fast enough to score the points or to catch someone’s eye that could help finance your way to the bigs.

My perception of you is that you get pissed when someone disagrees with you and calls you out on your misguided notions. AND you have a habit of. “ making excuses “ instead of “ making things happen “


Here’s a thought— how about TRYING one of these Electric bikes before you say they suck?? I know Darryn Durham and AJ were both pretty impressed with the first gen Alta..

HonDawg17 wrote:

🤣 you attacked me first. You are the one who started this. So you are the one easily triggered to disagree with someone's opinion. And I...

🤣 you attacked me first. You are the one who started this. So you are the one easily triggered to disagree with someone's opinion. And I wish I was born 2 years earlier because my district would have signed off on my becoming pro. They stopped that process 2 years before I got to A class. So I didn't get a handout pro license like a lot of
you older people used to get from their districts.

OldPro277 wrote:

Strike a chord ,ay??? Plenty of us got our Pro card under similar circumstances—- northern climate/ limited funds ,no parts, borrowing bikes, etc etc. But…. We...

Strike a chord ,ay??? Plenty of us got our Pro card under similar circumstances—- northern climate/ limited funds ,no parts, borrowing bikes, etc etc. But…. We made it. Somewhere along the way you need to accept the reality that you just weren’t fast enough to score the points or to catch someone’s eye that could help finance your way to the bigs.

My perception of you is that you get pissed when someone disagrees with you and calls you out on your misguided notions. AND you have a habit of. “ making excuses “ instead of “ making things happen “


Here’s a thought— how about TRYING one of these Electric bikes before you say they suck?? I know Darryn Durham and AJ were both pretty impressed with the first gen Alta..

HonDawg17 wrote:

🤣 you attacked me first. You are the one who started this. So you are the one easily triggered to disagree with someone's opinion. And I...

🤣 you attacked me first. You are the one who started this. So you are the one easily triggered to disagree with someone's opinion. And I wish I was born 2 years earlier because my district would have signed off on my becoming pro. They stopped that process 2 years before I got to A class. So I didn't get a handout pro license like a lot of
you older people used to get from their districts.

MO 23 wrote:

You are both acting like children. Relax.... fighting on the internet is for teenagers. Do you guys tell your wives and buddies that you have fights...

You are both acting like children.
Relax.... fighting on the internet is for teenagers.

Do you guys tell your wives and buddies that you have fights with people on message boards? haha

BCE wrote:

Wow very cool. But I think the range is slightly exaggerated. The battery is 6kWh. I have an ALTA with 5.8kWh battery. And i get only...

Wow very cool.
But I think the range is slightly exaggerated.
The battery is 6kWh.

I have an ALTA with 5.8kWh battery.
And i get only 20 minutes of MX riding and around 1 hour on the trail.
And I am nowhere near pro speed.
So to get 6 hours on the trail is probably at snail pace.

gerg wrote:

Couple of things. With current 450s having a reputation for being "too powerful", why the excitement about the 80hp model? Also...that big ugly box...is that the...

Couple of things.

With current 450s having a reputation for being "too powerful", why the excitement about the 80hp model?

Also...that big ugly box...is that the battery or engine? Whatever it is, it's ugly af so why not just cover it up giving more space for gfx etc? Or is it for cooling reasons?

I agree with an earlier post in that this is the future and some things about it will not be for everyone ...lets be honest it's the lack of noise that a lot will miss and the spectacle that goes with that noise.

But on the flipside, everyone will benefit from the lack of noise. It's the future like it or not, get on it or not.

As for this particular bike, I'm skeptical about their range/power claims but that will all come out in the wash.

HonDawg17 wrote:

🤣 you attacked me first. You are the one who started this. So you are the one easily triggered to disagree with someone's opinion. And I...

🤣 you attacked me first. You are the one who started this. So you are the one easily triggered to disagree with someone's opinion. And I wish I was born 2 years earlier because my district would have signed off on my becoming pro. They stopped that process 2 years before I got to A class. So I didn't get a handout pro license like a lot of
you older people used to get from their districts.

MO 23 wrote:

You are both acting like children. Relax.... fighting on the internet is for teenagers. Do you guys tell your wives and buddies that you have fights...

You are both acting like children.
Relax.... fighting on the internet is for teenagers.

Do you guys tell your wives and buddies that you have fights with people on message boards? haha

OldPro277 wrote:

Relax dude— I just don’t go for the name calling . It’s ok to have a difference of opinion, and even argue a bit, but the...

Relax dude— I just don’t go for the name calling . It’s ok to have a difference of opinion, and even argue a bit, but the name calling shit doesn’t fly with me unless it’s to my face.


And again with another excuse by not being born 2 years earlier, lmao

And us “older guys that got handout Pro cards”—- oh boy, lol. The AMA must have felt bad for us too,and gave us some “handout “ National points !!

Just stop —

Brad460 wrote:

Trying to get excited- but really wishing this was Honda or Yamaha or one of the other big manufacturers building this bike. Unfortunately, the odds are...

Trying to get excited- but really wishing this was Honda or Yamaha or one of the other big manufacturers building this bike. Unfortunately, the odds are stacked against them to survive and not become another Alta. Odds are probably 90% they go bankrupt. I’ll be surprised if they even get into production and deliver customer bikes. Hoping I am wrong because I want to buy one!

That being said, I am all on board with an electric bike as we have 5 acres here at home just waiting for a mx track to be built on it.

Lastly- glad they kept the design relatively conventional..I hate these electric car/motorcycle designs where they try to be all futuristic looking and end up looking like a shitty Prius.

PJRAUS wrote:

Well I ordered mine, it will be $17 000 AUD delivered...dunno about wether or not that includes import GST... Anyway a new KTM 450 is already...

Well I ordered mine, it will be $17 000 AUD delivered...dunno about wether or not that includes import GST...
Anyway a new KTM 450 is already $14,000 here..
This thing will give me the chance to ride at home whenever I want..

Skerby wrote:

Idk how you guys take seriously this 'Stark Varg' They lost me at the goddam name, you guys have been had. There is no way this...

Idk how you guys take seriously this 'Stark Varg'

They lost me at the goddam name, you guys have been had. There is no way this is real.

HonDawg17 wrote:

Just saying. If I had gotten the same treatment in the process as my peers did 2 years earlier, I had a good enough finish in...

Just saying. If I had gotten the same treatment in the process as my peers did 2 years earlier, I had a good enough finish in my first year of 125A to get a pro license via my District's recommendation. FACT.

MO 23 wrote:

You are both acting like children. Relax.... fighting on the internet is for teenagers. Do you guys tell your wives and buddies that you have fights...

You are both acting like children.
Relax.... fighting on the internet is for teenagers.

Do you guys tell your wives and buddies that you have fights with people on message boards? haha

OldPro277 wrote:

Relax dude— I just don’t go for the name calling . It’s ok to have a difference of opinion, and even argue a bit, but the...

Relax dude— I just don’t go for the name calling . It’s ok to have a difference of opinion, and even argue a bit, but the name calling shit doesn’t fly with me unless it’s to my face.


And again with another excuse by not being born 2 years earlier, lmao

And us “older guys that got handout Pro cards”—- oh boy, lol. The AMA must have felt bad for us too,and gave us some “handout “ National points !!

Just stop —

HonDawg17 wrote:

Just saying. If I had gotten the same treatment in the process as my peers did 2 years earlier, I had a good enough finish in...

Just saying. If I had gotten the same treatment in the process as my peers did 2 years earlier, I had a good enough finish in my first year of 125A to get a pro license via my District's recommendation. FACT.

Skerby wrote:

Idk how you guys take seriously this 'Stark Varg' They lost me at the goddam name, you guys have been had. There is no way this...

Idk how you guys take seriously this 'Stark Varg'

They lost me at the goddam name, you guys have been had. There is no way this is real.

Silas444 wrote:

I've never been one of those "stamp it" types, but any OEM still willing to spend their R&D money on future ICE motocross bikes juuuuuuust became...

I've never been one of those "stamp it" types, but any OEM still willing to spend their R&D money on future ICE motocross bikes juuuuuuust became, uhhhh,"moranic."

Stamp it.

So then, anyone want to buy a shitload of well-used metric wrenches?

yz133rider wrote:

I put 2-3hrs on my bike per day at the track at b class pace. That bike will last 1-2 motos for me. That would not...

I put 2-3hrs on my bike per day at the track at b class pace.

That bike will last 1-2 motos for me.

That would not work for me. And many others.

racerxx276 wrote:

would be interesting to know how many orders they have already gotten...