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What Cade said has me thinking..
Where would these guys finish in today’s field if you grabbed them in their prime and put them in a time machine (on 450s from that era) and they lined up at A1
Where would these guys finish in today’s field if you grabbed them in their prime and put them in a time machine (on 450s from that era) and they lined up at A1
Carmichael had raw speed but smaller balls than Stewart. Carmicheal was smarter when it came to race craft and strategy. He looked at the big picture.
Reed had both balls and strategy but was often a tad off on the raw speed needed to hang with the above two dudes.
In their prime with today's technology and equipment coupled with the modern era of the science of training, nutrition and recovery they would be right up there.
Both Villopoto and Dungey learned from the above three dudes. Equipment had progressed, the science behind training had progressed, the bikes could be tuned to be more forgiving which brought better consistancy....it became the new era.
Thats brings me to Aldon Baker. He figured the training, nutritional and recovery protocols out and it showed with his riders
Again time has shifted, everyone has learned from the above Legends and the fields of riders are closer than ever.
What seperates the riders now and I'm talking about the elite is IQ. Its a head game now. Self belief. You need to belief in yourself and surround yourself will people and crew who believe in themselves.
Its closer than ever and a tenth here and there can be the difference.
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He thinks the 04-07 450s are a fair bit slower the today. Something like 3or so seconds per lap.
So that puts them back to 12-15th or so.
Someone brought up the point that they raced on a replica track last year and lap times were similar.
But cade reckons the jumps were less steep and transitions more mellow.
So there’s your answer, all three in their prime would be right amongst the current guys, even on their old bikes, they’d just be doing it a bit harder than the new guys on new bikes.
On equal machinery in their prime, at A1 22, there’s your podium.
He is only a handful of wins behind the other 2 on the all time wins list haha
Obviously I was referring to his later winning years ie. 2012- 1 win, 13- 0 wins, 14- 2 wins, 15- 1 win.
Nobody will change my mind Chad, James, and Ricky would from their prime era would still be consistently in the top 5, if not 1, 2, 3, against todays riders. Keep in mind that James was winning quite a bit in 2014 against what I would consider modern 450s. He also did it on what this forum says is the biggest POS 450..
I would even go as far as saying those three on their old factory 2 strokes would be highly competitive with todays modern 450s on a supercross track.
Some people believe the marketing hype a little too much. I guarantee if you put Tomac, Roczen or Ferrandis on a 10-year old bike, the results would be roughly the same, with the outcome of maybe one race per season changed. And that would be when hairs were split.
I recall one of the SX greats who was riding "R&D" for one of the factories while in 'retirement'...you could say 'greatest sx rider...ever'...goin' back to the races...sorta "just for fun" due to realizing he still had it...from riding with the 'current champs' at that time...on the test track...and the older guy...the R&D guy thought..."Huh. Aren't these guys faster than THIS? I wonder, how would I do when the gate drops?"
Tho I am old...
And I am full of shit...
And I could have it wrong...
But, he was and IS the greatest SX rider...racer...
EVER.
And..then...there's Cade Clason:
He's an f'ing GENIUS. How's that? There is NO F'ING WAY he really believes what he threw down about the old school and "who can do what and when". I do NOT believe that for a second. However, I do believe he's stirring the shit. Why?
Well, it's the off season.
And he's a smart dude.
Look at all the discussion(s) he's given life to.
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Always picking on The Lungers: Suzuki, in this case.
How about Rhino on his old school smoker at Lorettas this year??
If anything, we should be pissed that our new bikes are NOT one bit faster than the bikes from the 1980s....
Companies kept sticking extra money in their pockets, instead of pushing the innovation envelope... and here we are today... with the latest and greatest 450 not being one bit faster in real life racing, in real life conditions, than smokers that are nearly 40 years old...
look at mountain biking... they keep on making gains in performance, decade after decade.... all we basically get is BNG...... we should be pissed... instead, we just keep cutting checks for the same old, same old....
I have a very strong feeling that 26 year old RC on a 2022 would mentally break anyone competing for a championship now, just like the did the guys of his era.
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