Kudos to the teams and riders that chose to race the MXoN

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rockyuno wrote:
Why riders don’t want the vaccine?

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The rules for travel are not unknowable. They are just a pain. My daughter just went to Scotland for grad school and a few people didn’t have their destination specific tracing paperwork and couldn’t fly.
Sorry you couldn’t fly Brent, even knowing the rules in advance may just discourage travel due to hassle and time required.
We have all the tools to beat this virus but can’t come together to do it. Other countries labeling us high risk should be a wake up call. We should be world class in our management of this virus.
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9/25/2021 5:48pm Edited Date/Time 9/25/2021 5:50pm
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First of all don`t listen to airline. Ask what you have to do to get on a plane and that`s it. Read official government requirements. I...
First of all don`t listen to airline. Ask what you have to do to get on a plane and that`s it. Read official government requirements.
I was flying to Belgium this summer and airline told me I need a test even though I was double vaccinated. They sent multiple people to test site, 100 bucks a person. I said fuck no, cause I read all the recent info on both Latvian and Belgian government sites. They were scrambling for info for half an hour, but in the end I was right. I saved some folks some money, but many did the test. That was during check-in.
Brent wrote:
Well that worked out for you, great. So I get different answers from the USA government, the German government, and the German airline. So just my...
Well that worked out for you, great.

So I get different answers from the USA government, the German government, and the German airline. So just my luck I get there, I dont speak the language, and get forced to quarantine. I dont want to take that chance so I cancelled my flight.

Is it worth the risk to take the flight if there is conflicting rules? There are new procedures in place after June 21st in the EU I was told.

Same rules seems to be used for travelers to Holland from California , they called one of the guys to make sure they were quarantining at home when they got back, dude is fully vaccinated and tested negative on his Covid test at LAX on the way out of California.
Countries across the world have exemptions to covid travel restrictions for elite sports people and thier support crews.

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Here is a rules for US citizens as of September 7th. Travel Recommendations for Fully Vaccinated Travelers If you are fully vaccinated with an FDA-authorized vaccine...
Here is a rules for US citizens as of September 7th.

Travel Recommendations for Fully Vaccinated Travelers

If you are fully vaccinated with an FDA-authorized vaccine or a vaccine authorized by emergency use by the World Health Organization:

You do NOT have to get tested before leaving the United States, unless your destination requires it.
You do NOT have to self-quarantine after you arrive in the United States.
Before travel:
Make sure you understand and follow all airline and destination requirements related to travel, testing, masking, or quarantine, which may differ from U.S. requirements. If you do not follow your destination’s requirements, you may be denied entry and may be required to return to the United States.
During travel:
Wearing a mask over your nose and mouth is required on planes, buses, trains, and other forms of public transportation traveling into, within, or out of the United States and while indoors at U.S. transportation hubs such as airports and stations. Travelers are not required to wear a mask in outdoor areas of a conveyance (like on open deck areas of a ferry or the uncovered top deck of a bus).
Travelers should follow recommendations or requirements in the Netherlands, including mask wearing and social distancing.
Before you travel to the United States by air
All air passengers coming to the United States, including U.S. citizens and fully vaccinated people, are required to have a negative COVID-19 test result no more than 3 days before travel or documentation of recovery from COVID-19 in the past 3 months before they board a flight to the United States.

After Travel
You should get tested with a viral test 3-5 days after travel
Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms; isolate and get tested if you develop symptoms.
Follow all state and local recommendations or requirements.
Brent wrote:
I got this from the German Consulate - [i]"From Sunday, August 15th, 0:00 Uhr CET the USA are classified as a so-called COVID high-risk area applying...
I got this from the German Consulate -


"From Sunday, August 15th, 0:00 Uhr CET the USA are classified as a so-called COVID high-risk area applying to air and sea travel outside of Europe (entering Germany from countries that do not belong to the European Union)) for travelers who are not affected by the above-mentioned travel-restrictions. Please check your airline´s applicable conditions of carriage. Decisions concerning entry into Germany are made by the Federal Police. The German Foreign Missions have no influence in this process."

They also asked if I had an urgent reason to visit Germany, I had to tell them I was just wanting to attend a Motocross race to see a friend..

The EU considers the United States a "High Risk Country" for the transmission of Covid. The ticket cost and the arbitrary nature of the rules made me think twice.

It may have been fine when I got there, but I didn't want to spend 3 grand and 13 hours from LAX to Germany just to get turned back...
I love MXDN. My favorite race of the year.

But, I’m not even going out to my favorite pizza place if they tell me that I may or may not have a loooong wait, may or may not honor my reservation, may or may not have a seat for me, may or may not have any more food once I do get seated, may not have any more beer...........

The unknowns are not worth the risk right now. Be patient, and we will return. Unless you want to take out a loan and send a team yourselves. Put your money where your mouths are. Are you willing to take the risk? If you are, go for it. I’ll even buy a tshirt or other merch to support the cause.
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That rant was in support of Brent, by the way.
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9/25/2021 10:32pm
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the...
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the middle of a World Title chase, and is proud to represent his country. Back in the 80s, riders wanted to represent their country and were disappointed if they were not selected. Now, that's not the case and I don't think it's a mere coincidence that the loss of interest just so happens to coincide with Team U.S.A. losing streak. Just take your lumps and learn from them.

I understand we have riders that want to go, but can't for various reasons (for example, not wanting to get the vaccine), but it seems to be the case that overall riders just don't want to go. Respect to the Lawrence brothers for being honest and saying that it was out of their hands (they were told that they could not go). So kudos to the teams and racers who are there. Just sad for me to see the current state of affairs happening with the MXoN.
jtmoto509 wrote:
You sound like a crazy girl that can’t get your ex boyfriends dick out of your mouth. Move on bro, USA isn’t there this year. You’ll...
You sound like a crazy girl that can’t get your ex boyfriends dick out of your mouth. Move on bro, USA isn’t there this year. You’ll be ok.
Thought you were leaving?


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9/25/2021 10:41pm Edited Date/Time 9/25/2021 11:21pm
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the...
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the middle of a World Title chase, and is proud to represent his country. Back in the 80s, riders wanted to represent their country and were disappointed if they were not selected. Now, that's not the case and I don't think it's a mere coincidence that the loss of interest just so happens to coincide with Team U.S.A. losing streak. Just take your lumps and learn from them.

I understand we have riders that want to go, but can't for various reasons (for example, not wanting to get the vaccine), but it seems to be the case that overall riders just don't want to go. Respect to the Lawrence brothers for being honest and saying that it was out of their hands (they were told that they could not go). So kudos to the teams and racers who are there. Just sad for me to see the current state of affairs happening with the MXoN.
jtmoto509 wrote:
You sound like a crazy girl that can’t get your ex boyfriends dick out of your mouth. Move on bro, USA isn’t there this year. You’ll...
You sound like a crazy girl that can’t get your ex boyfriends dick out of your mouth. Move on bro, USA isn’t there this year. You’ll be ok.
You sound like a chick that got pumped and, dumped the day after prom.
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9/25/2021 11:54pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2021 9:28pm
CPR wrote:
Actually Australia not having a team competing is even worse than the US not turning up- we have very capable GP riders already in Europe that...
Actually Australia not having a team competing is even worse than the US not turning up- we have very capable GP riders already in Europe that could have been a competitive team.
Why that was not the fallback option I don’t understand.
Fall Back option, that you don't understand? Yes, that's a valid point.

I think there are several (well, many, but too many to go into / speculate about) things that may be behind that.

Riders' Teams may have said No, to riders participation, being that it's in the midst of a continuing season.

Riders Themselves may have Not wanted to jeopardize their final standings in the World Championships, as that can be a hell of a factor in them having a job next year.

Those 2 points are but 2 of the the Elephants, no, the Mammoths in the room for Rider participation.

Then, we've got MA representative participation at an overseas event. Our National Sport Officials ( well a minimal few of them - I'm unsure if MA have a bunch of 'hangers on / specially privileged" freeloaders that other teams seem to always have) from MA need to be there. Travelling overseas is somewhat difficult, at the moment. Getting back and Quarantine is costly. And, our tiny sport, sure as f**k will / would get little to No help / concessions that, say the Olympic Teams got. It's wrong, but that's how it always bloody goes, isn't it?

Something that so many don't know, or, just don't get : Insurance.

I've travelled extensively, over many decades . Travel warnings / gradings have an enormous influence on Travel Insurance - not just on the costs of it, or it's actual coverage, it's down to if it's Even Possible to get. You go to a place that is regarded as unsafe, for any amount of reasons, and you won't get it. You go overseas, without adequate insurance, and something untoward happens to you, and you can be up s**t creek, in a dreadful way. And, not just in say, 2nd or 3rd World countries - go to the USA, get hurt, without adequate Insurance, and you can be in hock for MIllions. Now, years ago, you might get out of the country without paying the insane bills, and be faced with never going back to avoid said bills, but now, you'll be pursued to eternity.

So, I've always carried the highest Insurance I can get, wherever I go, whatever I'm doing. Except, when I did some NGO work a few years ago, where I accepted the risks of having Absolutely No Insurance being available to me. Yemen turned to Hell, while I was there, and I chose to stay, well past what was 'prudent'. But, it was my decision, and I'd sorted my affairs fully, before I went. My Family and Friends were/ still are set to be taken well care of at my demise, and, No debts will be left for others to handle.

Personally, right now, I could sit here and bitch about my plans to go to Italy this year for the MTB World Champs, the ISDE, the MXdN and then a few GPs, being curtailed, but I'd be a wanker, bitching about my "1st World" problems, and, I'll Not do that.

An example of the vagaries of Insurance, goes as far back as 1998 for me, when I competed at the World MTB Championships at Mont Sainte Anne. For the week and a half I was actually at the WCs, my travel insurance Would Not cover me. I Had to rely on CAs insurance for that period. And, that leads back to my reference to MA, a few paragraphs back. If they are responsible for Insurance / part of it for Riders and Officials, well, It may be damned well impossible to get with the whole Covid-19 situation. No, or Inadequate Insurance, well, a lack of 'duty of care' comes to mind when it comes to being in a Team selected and sanctioned by a Sport Controlling body.

Yes, it's Bloody disappointing to not have Teams at the ISDE and MXdN. Especially when we as a Nation just had representation at the World MTB Championships and the juggernaught of the Olympics, (and I'd easily accept that it may be down to MA's eff ups / idiocy/disinterest), and, our Government not giving a flying f**k about any sport other than the 'mainstream' ones.

Things are constantly changing, things are a sh*t fight.

Good on the Teams that have got to the MXdN. A fair few, from far afield. But, I'll Not put sh*t on those that are not there This year.
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9/26/2021 12:01am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Are we shitting on Gajser an Febvre for not going too ? I know Gajser is injured but he opted out before that happened. And I...
Are we shitting on Gajser an Febvre for not going too ? I know Gajser is injured but he opted out before that happened.
And I know we like to look at the past through rose colored glasses but the first US team that won back in 81 was a so called B team because others didn't want to go . I'm pretty sure McGrath has turned it down more than once also .
maybe its time to stop , to name the teams A or B as its so lame

those who go are youre best willing to go , so A team
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CPR wrote:
Actually Australia not having a team competing is even worse than the US not turning up- we have very capable GP riders already in Europe that...
Actually Australia not having a team competing is even worse than the US not turning up- we have very capable GP riders already in Europe that could have been a competitive team.
Why that was not the fallback option I don’t understand.
I think it may have been MA not funding the team rather than the riders not wanting to ride.
9/26/2021 5:50am
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about it. Then about 2 weeks ago, the UN changed travel recommendations, Italy followed them.

The restrictions are pretty heavy, non vaccinated people have a bunch of hoops to follow, plus be quarantined for 5 days, then test after your quarantine every 72 hours, if you test positive, you’re stuck in a hotel for 10 days.

I’m not understanding the hate America gets for not going, when the Australians aren’t going for the same reasons.
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Kudos to the team and riders that ride for free while the promoter rakes in the dough$$$ Even bigger kudos to the riders that refuse to ride for free and do not fall for the MXDN risk your life for free scam.
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9/26/2021 6:04am
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the...
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the middle of a World Title chase, and is proud to represent his country. Back in the 80s, riders wanted to represent their country and were disappointed if they were not selected. Now, that's not the case and I don't think it's a mere coincidence that the loss of interest just so happens to coincide with Team U.S.A. losing streak. Just take your lumps and learn from them.

I understand we have riders that want to go, but can't for various reasons (for example, not wanting to get the vaccine), but it seems to be the case that overall riders just don't want to go. Respect to the Lawrence brothers for being honest and saying that it was out of their hands (they were told that they could not go). So kudos to the teams and racers who are there. Just sad for me to see the current state of affairs happening with the MXoN.
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to go.
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UpTiTe wrote:
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about...
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about it. Then about 2 weeks ago, the UN changed travel recommendations, Italy followed them.

The restrictions are pretty heavy, non vaccinated people have a bunch of hoops to follow, plus be quarantined for 5 days, then test after your quarantine every 72 hours, if you test positive, you’re stuck in a hotel for 10 days.

I’m not understanding the hate America gets for not going, when the Australians aren’t going for the same reasons.
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite sports people and their crews.
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UpTiTe wrote:
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about...
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about it. Then about 2 weeks ago, the UN changed travel recommendations, Italy followed them.

The restrictions are pretty heavy, non vaccinated people have a bunch of hoops to follow, plus be quarantined for 5 days, then test after your quarantine every 72 hours, if you test positive, you’re stuck in a hotel for 10 days.

I’m not understanding the hate America gets for not going, when the Australians aren’t going for the same reasons.
the UN??

Anyway, well done for the adult teams who went and participated despite what seem to have been horrendous human conditions for others who would have not survived apparently.
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9/26/2021 10:09am
Elliot wrote:
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite...
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite sports people and their crews.
They are both vaccinated.
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9/26/2021 11:37am
UpTiTe wrote:
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about...
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about it. Then about 2 weeks ago, the UN changed travel recommendations, Italy followed them.

The restrictions are pretty heavy, non vaccinated people have a bunch of hoops to follow, plus be quarantined for 5 days, then test after your quarantine every 72 hours, if you test positive, you’re stuck in a hotel for 10 days.

I’m not understanding the hate America gets for not going, when the Australians aren’t going for the same reasons.
Shenzi wrote:
the UN?? Anyway, well done for the adult teams who went and participated despite what seem to have been horrendous human conditions for others who would...
the UN??

Anyway, well done for the adult teams who went and participated despite what seem to have been horrendous human conditions for others who would have not survived apparently.
The WHO, UN who ever give out the recommendations.
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9/26/2021 11:38am
UpTiTe wrote:
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about...
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about it. Then about 2 weeks ago, the UN changed travel recommendations, Italy followed them.

The restrictions are pretty heavy, non vaccinated people have a bunch of hoops to follow, plus be quarantined for 5 days, then test after your quarantine every 72 hours, if you test positive, you’re stuck in a hotel for 10 days.

I’m not understanding the hate America gets for not going, when the Australians aren’t going for the same reasons.
Elliot wrote:
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite...
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite sports people and their crews.
They’ve all been vaccinated, they didn’t have any restrictions.
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9/26/2021 11:45am
UpTiTe wrote:
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about...
The team was set, it was Barcia, Sexton, and Hampshire. All wanted to go, all had 100% team backing, Barcia and GasGas were real excited about it. Then about 2 weeks ago, the UN changed travel recommendations, Italy followed them.

The restrictions are pretty heavy, non vaccinated people have a bunch of hoops to follow, plus be quarantined for 5 days, then test after your quarantine every 72 hours, if you test positive, you’re stuck in a hotel for 10 days.

I’m not understanding the hate America gets for not going, when the Australians aren’t going for the same reasons.
Elliot wrote:
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite...
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite sports people and their crews.
UpTiTe wrote:
They’ve all been vaccinated, they didn’t have any restrictions.
And the US team hasn't? They must be in the minority as I thought most of the adult population in US had been.

Just curious.
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9/26/2021 1:52pm
Elliot wrote:
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite...
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite sports people and their crews.
UpTiTe wrote:
They’ve all been vaccinated, they didn’t have any restrictions.
Elliot wrote:
And the US team hasn't? They must be in the minority as I thought most of the adult population in US had been.

Just curious.
None of the top riders have been vaccinated.

50-60% of adults have been vaccinated in the US
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Best race of the year by far. One of the best mxon in history.
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We, team Finland made it and made it to finals (first time since 2014).
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9/26/2021 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2021 5:23pm
Elliot wrote:
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite...
To be fair Weege and Jason Thomas managed to get to Italy ok and they didn't even qualify for the travel restriction exemptions available to elite sports people and their crews.
UpTiTe wrote:
They’ve all been vaccinated, they didn’t have any restrictions.
Elliot wrote:
And the US team hasn't? They must be in the minority as I thought most of the adult population in US had been.

Just curious.
Most of the adult population? Whatever would give you that idea?
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UpTiTe wrote:
They’ve all been vaccinated, they didn’t have any restrictions.
Elliot wrote:
And the US team hasn't? They must be in the minority as I thought most of the adult population in US had been.

Just curious.
Most of the adult population? Whatever would give you that idea?
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MBR wrote:
We, team Finland made it and made it to finals (first time since 2014). [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/26/512036/s1200_0E270C30_1BBF_414E_B209_058AAA2B96A1.jpg[/img]
We, team Finland made it and made it to finals (first time since 2014).
Congratulations!
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9/26/2021 11:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2021 11:03pm
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the...
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the middle of a World Title chase, and is proud to represent his country. Back in the 80s, riders wanted to represent their country and were disappointed if they were not selected. Now, that's not the case and I don't think it's a mere coincidence that the loss of interest just so happens to coincide with Team U.S.A. losing streak. Just take your lumps and learn from them.

I understand we have riders that want to go, but can't for various reasons (for example, not wanting to get the vaccine), but it seems to be the case that overall riders just don't want to go. Respect to the Lawrence brothers for being honest and saying that it was out of their hands (they were told that they could not go). So kudos to the teams and racers who are there. Just sad for me to see the current state of affairs happening with the MXoN.
UpTiTe wrote:
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to...
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to go.
I recall Glover, Barnett, Ward, Lechien, Hannah, Hughes, Emig, MXKied, LaRocco and others going in the 80s and 90s.
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9/27/2021 7:03am
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the...
Every year, there's a bunch of excuses and no one believes them any longer, and there will be more excuses next year. Herlings is in the middle of a World Title chase, and is proud to represent his country. Back in the 80s, riders wanted to represent their country and were disappointed if they were not selected. Now, that's not the case and I don't think it's a mere coincidence that the loss of interest just so happens to coincide with Team U.S.A. losing streak. Just take your lumps and learn from them.

I understand we have riders that want to go, but can't for various reasons (for example, not wanting to get the vaccine), but it seems to be the case that overall riders just don't want to go. Respect to the Lawrence brothers for being honest and saying that it was out of their hands (they were told that they could not go). So kudos to the teams and racers who are there. Just sad for me to see the current state of affairs happening with the MXoN.
UpTiTe wrote:
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to...
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to go.
I recall Glover, Barnett, Ward, Lechien, Hannah, Hughes, Emig, MXKied, LaRocco and others going in the 80s and 90s.
They all went at one time or another, just like today’s guys. But everyone you mentioned, except Hughes and Emig, refused to go at least once.

Hannah, the great American hero refused to go until it came to the US. All the top guys refused in 1980, opening up the door for team Honda.

Even Stanton and Bradshaw refused.
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UpTiTe wrote:
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to...
The 80 and 90s weren’t as great as you think, plenty of riders turned it down. In 1980 team Honda went because nobody else wanted to go.
I recall Glover, Barnett, Ward, Lechien, Hannah, Hughes, Emig, MXKied, LaRocco and others going in the 80s and 90s.
UpTiTe wrote:
They all went at one time or another, just like today’s guys. But everyone you mentioned, except Hughes and Emig, refused to go at least once...
They all went at one time or another, just like today’s guys. But everyone you mentioned, except Hughes and Emig, refused to go at least once.

Hannah, the great American hero refused to go until it came to the US. All the top guys refused in 1980, opening up the door for team Honda.

Even Stanton and Bradshaw refused.
Hannah went in 78 but yeah I think he was one of the riders who turned it down in 81 . We didn't send a team in 79 or 80.
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ayearinmx wrote:
that just simply isn't true... otherwise Canada couldn't be racing, nor Venezuela... and Weege couldn't have been at the Cairoli retirement in Rome and JT wouldn't...
that just simply isn't true... otherwise Canada couldn't be racing, nor Venezuela... and Weege couldn't have been at the Cairoli retirement in Rome and JT wouldn't have been in Sardinia ....

It is not "ANY"... it is only for non-vaccinated.... big difference

https://it.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

Quote:
"Quarantine Information:

Are U.S. citizens required to quarantine? In some instances
Travelers from the United States unable to present a valid vaccination or recovery certificate will have to self-isolate on arrival for five days and undergo a molecular PCR or rapid antigen test at the end of the isolation."

For Germany:
https://de.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

"All travelers from high-risk areas , including the United States, except those with proof of vaccination or proof of recovery from COVID-19 in the last 6 months, must quarantine for 10 days."

Brent wrote:
I am double vaccinated. I have my card to prove it. Lufthansa told me that I still must quarantine upon arrival. There is conflicting information, my...
I am double vaccinated. I have my card to prove it.

Lufthansa told me that I still must quarantine upon arrival.

There is conflicting information, my Dutch visitors are vaccinated and were told by KLM that they must quarantine upon return to the Netherlands even with a negative Covid test.

So who’s right?
kongols wrote:
First of all don`t listen to airline. Ask what you have to do to get on a plane and that`s it. Read official government requirements. I...
First of all don`t listen to airline. Ask what you have to do to get on a plane and that`s it. Read official government requirements.
I was flying to Belgium this summer and airline told me I need a test even though I was double vaccinated. They sent multiple people to test site, 100 bucks a person. I said fuck no, cause I read all the recent info on both Latvian and Belgian government sites. They were scrambling for info for half an hour, but in the end I was right. I saved some folks some money, but many did the test. That was during check-in.
WTF is "double vaccinated"???
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