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drivrswntd 8/4/2021 8:10am
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Ordered a Pro Circuit Works pipe March 4th. Came in about 2 weeks ago.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 8/4/2021 8:15am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
More reasons that we need to make EVERYTHING here in the USA.
Mcflurry98 wrote:
That doesn't solve the problem with raw materials. "Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA". Ironically, FMF and...
That doesn't solve the problem with raw materials. "Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA".

Ironically, FMF and Dunlop are made in the USA.
"Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA[/i]

I'm pretty sure the majority could be or was at one time..
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drivrswntd wrote:
Ordered a Pro Circuit Works pipe March 4th. Came in about 2 weeks ago.
you prob bought a pipe that has been sitting on the shelf before all these supply issues.
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drivrswntd wrote:
Ordered a Pro Circuit Works pipe March 4th. Came in about 2 weeks ago.
fourfourone wrote:
you prob bought a pipe that has been sitting on the shelf before all these supply issues.
It was out of stock and unavailable everywhere. Took about 5 months to come in which compared to some of there stuff looks like isnt terrible.

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Mcflurry98 8/4/2021 8:48am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
More reasons that we need to make EVERYTHING here in the USA.
Mcflurry98 wrote:
That doesn't solve the problem with raw materials. "Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA". Ironically, FMF and...
That doesn't solve the problem with raw materials. "Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA".

Ironically, FMF and Dunlop are made in the USA.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
"Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA[/i] I'm pretty sure the majority could be or was at one...
"Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA[/i]

I'm pretty sure the majority could be or was at one time..
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint, given the current population (Not what it was at one time), and it's projected growth, then I don't know what else to tell you.


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HonDawg17 wrote:
More reasons that we need to make EVERYTHING here in the USA.
Mcflurry98 wrote:
That doesn't solve the problem with raw materials. "Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA". Ironically, FMF and...
That doesn't solve the problem with raw materials. "Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA".

Ironically, FMF and Dunlop are made in the USA.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
"Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA[/i] I'm pretty sure the majority could be or was at one...
"Made in the USA" doesn't mean that "All raw materials are sourced from the USA[/i]

I'm pretty sure the majority could be or was at one time..
For us to put made in usa on our products the steel and even hardware has to be american made
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 8/4/2021 11:33am
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Mcflurry98 wrote:
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint...
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint, given the current population (Not what it was at one time), and it's projected growth, then I don't know what else to tell you.


you are right i guess china has enough resources to support the majority of USA and the rest of the world?
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Mcflurry98 wrote:
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint...
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint, given the current population (Not what it was at one time), and it's projected growth, then I don't know what else to tell you.


JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
you are right i guess china has enough resources to support the majority of USA and the rest of the world?
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here.

Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount of foods that we consume here in the U.S, is only grown in tropical areas. Only a couple of states in the U.S. are actually capable of growing it and the amount they produce isn't enough to support the demands of 350 million people. Therefore, the majority of it actually has to be sourced from other countries.

Do you really think that this example is an anomaly? I'm not trying to create an argument about whether or not we should produce goods in the U.S. I'm Just pointing out some of the barriers to accomplishing what you are suggesting.

I don't claim to know everything. But I do have over a decade of end to end supply chain experience in consumer goods. I've also had a million conversations with people that have an over simplified view of how everything works relative to sourcing materials, manufacturing, transportation, etc.

I'll leave it at that. If you still just want to disagree, then that's cool. I'm not here to argue with anyone.



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Mcflurry98 wrote:
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here. Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount...
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here.

Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount of foods that we consume here in the U.S, is only grown in tropical areas. Only a couple of states in the U.S. are actually capable of growing it and the amount they produce isn't enough to support the demands of 350 million people. Therefore, the majority of it actually has to be sourced from other countries.

Do you really think that this example is an anomaly? I'm not trying to create an argument about whether or not we should produce goods in the U.S. I'm Just pointing out some of the barriers to accomplishing what you are suggesting.

I don't claim to know everything. But I do have over a decade of end to end supply chain experience in consumer goods. I've also had a million conversations with people that have an over simplified view of how everything works relative to sourcing materials, manufacturing, transportation, etc.

I'll leave it at that. If you still just want to disagree, then that's cool. I'm not here to argue with anyone.



It's true that the US isn't self-sufficient in sugar production, but the beet sugar produced mostly in Minnesota and the Dakota's accounted for over half of the nation's supply.
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Bruce372 8/4/2021 12:26pm
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I take it the lack of products made from steel havs nothing to do with steel tarrifs?
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Actually, it doesn't take a conspiracy. All it takes is not being shortsighted. They bought up as much scrap metal as they could (years and years...
Actually, it doesn't take a conspiracy. All it takes is not being shortsighted. They bought up as much scrap metal as they could (years and years ago, long before any pandemic). Fast forward to now, more manufacturing in the US is closed down and we are paying more for overseas manufacturing.
I could be mistaken, but the scrap buying spree was to supply the Three Rivers Dam project in China. After the dam was complete, scrap prices went back down. I am in the HVAC business and A.C. thefts were quite normal at the time. Tweakers were getting good money out of the stolen equipment.
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Consider yourself lucky if the worldwide shortages are only making you run a different knobby or pipe for your dirt bike.
It's fucking with my livelihood. It's hard to get chlorine, can't get filters, pumps, heaters, salt cells, pvc fittings, valves, parts, poles, cleaning equipment and on and on and on. Big brother says we have to sell variable speed pumps now regardless if ones needed or not, except they're next to impossible to find. It would the equivalent of the gov't saying "You guys can only buy Hondas now" "Ok fine I'll take a Honda then I guess" "Oh sorry we're out of Hondas and we don't know when we're getting more" "Ok can I get a Yamaha" ? "Oh all the other brands sold out when the new law went into effect" "What am I supposed to do" ? Their (The distributers) answer ? "I don't know" "ok thanks".....

Interesting times. I never thought I'd see the day when it's easier to buy weed than chlorine... Laughing
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Can you fit a bog standard set-speed pump to suit your/their needs and fit a simple potentiometer or something, that never needs to be seen or adjusted, so it's technically and legally an adjustable-speed pump? Just spitballing...
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You think shortages in motorcycle products is a problem, get serious. Wait until food shortages hit and they will. China's crops have been wiped out again and they are buying as much as they can.

We are in a global cooling cycle due to a grand solar minimum. Last time this happened in the 17th century, typical food production areas saw temp drops serious enough to end ag in those regions for decades. Brazilian coffee is the latest example of the grand solar minimum's affects. Midwest crops are seeing huge issues for 2 years in a row now.

Of course other areas will see higher production. Tucson Arizona had 7 inches of rain in July, a record for the short weather history we have.

China has been buying our crop land hand over fist and believe me they have no intention of saving any of it for us.

Adapt 2030 video below, crazy flooding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHp9hAyNtN0
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dylanmx45 8/4/2021 2:24pm
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sumdood wrote:
Consider yourself lucky if the worldwide shortages are only making you run a different knobby or pipe for your dirt bike. It's fucking with my livelihood...
Consider yourself lucky if the worldwide shortages are only making you run a different knobby or pipe for your dirt bike.
It's fucking with my livelihood. It's hard to get chlorine, can't get filters, pumps, heaters, salt cells, pvc fittings, valves, parts, poles, cleaning equipment and on and on and on. Big brother says we have to sell variable speed pumps now regardless if ones needed or not, except they're next to impossible to find. It would the equivalent of the gov't saying "You guys can only buy Hondas now" "Ok fine I'll take a Honda then I guess" "Oh sorry we're out of Hondas and we don't know when we're getting more" "Ok can I get a Yamaha" ? "Oh all the other brands sold out when the new law went into effect" "What am I supposed to do" ? Their (The distributers) answer ? "I don't know" "ok thanks".....

Interesting times. I never thought I'd see the day when it's easier to buy weed than chlorine... Laughing
I couldn’t say it better myself... I’m in the same boat as you, but in Texas. It’s been a rough 18 months to say the least and there’s no answers on when the shortages will subside.
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APLMAN99 8/4/2021 4:22pm
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sumdood wrote:
Consider yourself lucky if the worldwide shortages are only making you run a different knobby or pipe for your dirt bike. It's fucking with my livelihood...
Consider yourself lucky if the worldwide shortages are only making you run a different knobby or pipe for your dirt bike.
It's fucking with my livelihood. It's hard to get chlorine, can't get filters, pumps, heaters, salt cells, pvc fittings, valves, parts, poles, cleaning equipment and on and on and on. Big brother says we have to sell variable speed pumps now regardless if ones needed or not, except they're next to impossible to find. It would the equivalent of the gov't saying "You guys can only buy Hondas now" "Ok fine I'll take a Honda then I guess" "Oh sorry we're out of Hondas and we don't know when we're getting more" "Ok can I get a Yamaha" ? "Oh all the other brands sold out when the new law went into effect" "What am I supposed to do" ? Their (The distributers) answer ? "I don't know" "ok thanks".....

Interesting times. I never thought I'd see the day when it's easier to buy weed than chlorine... Laughing
dylanmx45 wrote:
I couldn’t say it better myself... I’m in the same boat as you, but in Texas. It’s been a rough 18 months to say the least...
I couldn’t say it better myself... I’m in the same boat as you, but in Texas. It’s been a rough 18 months to say the least and there’s no answers on when the shortages will subside.
We are still playing catch up from the deep freeze in the Texas/Gulf area that brought the plastic plants to a standstill for several week/months.

From what I understand it took some of the plastic plants over 2 months to "dig out' or replace some of their plumbing because of how solidified the liquid product became during the power outages. They weren't able to just 'turn on the heaters' and start flowing again. Closest thing that we have had around here was when an aluminum plant had a catastrophic power loss and all of the pots had to be dug out manually, taking weeks per pot line at best.
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APLMAN99 8/4/2021 4:33pm
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Mcflurry98 wrote:
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint...
If you truly think that the United States has enough natural resources to support the majority of our consumer driven demand from a raw material standpoint, given the current population (Not what it was at one time), and it's projected growth, then I don't know what else to tell you.


JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
you are right i guess china has enough resources to support the majority of USA and the rest of the world?
Mcflurry98 wrote:
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here. Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount...
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here.

Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount of foods that we consume here in the U.S, is only grown in tropical areas. Only a couple of states in the U.S. are actually capable of growing it and the amount they produce isn't enough to support the demands of 350 million people. Therefore, the majority of it actually has to be sourced from other countries.

Do you really think that this example is an anomaly? I'm not trying to create an argument about whether or not we should produce goods in the U.S. I'm Just pointing out some of the barriers to accomplishing what you are suggesting.

I don't claim to know everything. But I do have over a decade of end to end supply chain experience in consumer goods. I've also had a million conversations with people that have an over simplified view of how everything works relative to sourcing materials, manufacturing, transportation, etc.

I'll leave it at that. If you still just want to disagree, then that's cool. I'm not here to argue with anyone.



Actually sugar/sweeteners can be grown in a LOT of areas of the country. Whether or not they can be done as profitable, that's a different story.

As DaveB pointed out, sugar beets can provide the same sugar that canes produce, and can be grown in most irrigated farmlands. We used to have a huge growing base of them here in WA, but the processing plant wasn't overly profitable so when that closed farmers stopped growing them.

There are usually alternatives for most things, but without a huge reason otherwise most of the time we ultimately try to source the lowest cost product no matter where it comes from......
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
you are right i guess china has enough resources to support the majority of USA and the rest of the world?
Mcflurry98 wrote:
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here. Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount...
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here.

Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount of foods that we consume here in the U.S, is only grown in tropical areas. Only a couple of states in the U.S. are actually capable of growing it and the amount they produce isn't enough to support the demands of 350 million people. Therefore, the majority of it actually has to be sourced from other countries.

Do you really think that this example is an anomaly? I'm not trying to create an argument about whether or not we should produce goods in the U.S. I'm Just pointing out some of the barriers to accomplishing what you are suggesting.

I don't claim to know everything. But I do have over a decade of end to end supply chain experience in consumer goods. I've also had a million conversations with people that have an over simplified view of how everything works relative to sourcing materials, manufacturing, transportation, etc.

I'll leave it at that. If you still just want to disagree, then that's cool. I'm not here to argue with anyone.



APLMAN99 wrote:
Actually sugar/sweeteners can be grown in a LOT of areas of the country. Whether or not they can be done as profitable, that's a different story...
Actually sugar/sweeteners can be grown in a LOT of areas of the country. Whether or not they can be done as profitable, that's a different story.

As DaveB pointed out, sugar beets can provide the same sugar that canes produce, and can be grown in most irrigated farmlands. We used to have a huge growing base of them here in WA, but the processing plant wasn't overly profitable so when that closed farmers stopped growing them.

There are usually alternatives for most things, but without a huge reason otherwise most of the time we ultimately try to source the lowest cost product no matter where it comes from......
Not to mention you’d have to stop growing whatever crop is in those fields currently that probably is profitable.
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APLMAN99 8/4/2021 4:54pm
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Mcflurry98 wrote:
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here. Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount...
I'm going to try to provide a very basic example of what I'm trying to say here.

Sugar, which is an ingredient in a substantial amount of foods that we consume here in the U.S, is only grown in tropical areas. Only a couple of states in the U.S. are actually capable of growing it and the amount they produce isn't enough to support the demands of 350 million people. Therefore, the majority of it actually has to be sourced from other countries.

Do you really think that this example is an anomaly? I'm not trying to create an argument about whether or not we should produce goods in the U.S. I'm Just pointing out some of the barriers to accomplishing what you are suggesting.

I don't claim to know everything. But I do have over a decade of end to end supply chain experience in consumer goods. I've also had a million conversations with people that have an over simplified view of how everything works relative to sourcing materials, manufacturing, transportation, etc.

I'll leave it at that. If you still just want to disagree, then that's cool. I'm not here to argue with anyone.



APLMAN99 wrote:
Actually sugar/sweeteners can be grown in a LOT of areas of the country. Whether or not they can be done as profitable, that's a different story...
Actually sugar/sweeteners can be grown in a LOT of areas of the country. Whether or not they can be done as profitable, that's a different story.

As DaveB pointed out, sugar beets can provide the same sugar that canes produce, and can be grown in most irrigated farmlands. We used to have a huge growing base of them here in WA, but the processing plant wasn't overly profitable so when that closed farmers stopped growing them.

There are usually alternatives for most things, but without a huge reason otherwise most of the time we ultimately try to source the lowest cost product no matter where it comes from......
soggy wrote:
Not to mention you’d have to stop growing whatever crop is in those fields currently that probably is profitable.
Depends on whether there is enough crop conservation/standby land in inventory, of course. I think that there is still some of those programs in existence where you are paid to 'not grow' crops but have to keep the equipment ready in case of emergency. I know that my cousin did that sort of thing for several years on some of his acreage because he hated farming and was willing to take the payments to keep his ground in 'reserve'. I think he finally had to exit the program when the inspector found out that his equipment hadn't been maintained for years, tires on the equipment were dry rotted, etc. But the jerk pulled off the scam for several years, anyway.
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Richy wrote:
Can you fit a bog standard set-speed pump to suit your/their needs and fit a simple potentiometer or something, that never needs to be seen or...
Can you fit a bog standard set-speed pump to suit your/their needs and fit a simple potentiometer or something, that never needs to be seen or adjusted, so it's technically and legally an adjustable-speed pump? Just spitballing...
I like where you’re going but the problem is you can’t even get a single speed pump to start with. We can still get single speed motors to repair old pumps for now. But they’re getting harder and harder to find. And they’re not demanding everybody retrofit with variable speed pumps, but if you need a new pump and it’s over a half horsepower it needs to be variable speed. I think we can still get half horsepower single speeds. It’s fucking stupid we have jet pumps and waterfall pumps that get set at wide fucking open, there’s absolutely zero reason for them to be turned down, and they don’t run that much, maybe a 2-3 hours a week, maybe ? Not to mention most of the houses around here have solar on them so who gives a fuck anyway if the pumps use a little more electricity what the fuck does it matter ? theoretically they’re all pumping power back into the grid anyway so who the fuck cares ? Sorry man August sucks in the pool business didn’t mean to go on a role there hahaha
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Sames goes for boots. Price of Tech 10 boots have gone up £40 and nowhere in europe has size 8's in white
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Some industry s are material the biggest issue is everyone was home ordering stuff online so companies ordered a ton off stock the biggest issue right now is getting a container on a ship , the other thing that reall screwed up the supply chain is the Texas freeze most off your plastic / chemicals / foam come out off there . The freez really screwed things up we are waiting 6-8 months for a walk in fridge used to be 2-4 weeks
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I make parts from raw materials I get from the USA/North America, Japan & thru-out Europe. The Material Supply Chain has been a shit show ever since we got our asses handed to us by this POS Virus form Hell/Zombie Apocalypse.

Frankly, I could give a shit and we'll figure out how to "get'er done" no matter what the challenges are. I'd just be happy if Newmann could lose this damn COVID Rev. II and be "good" again.

Other than that?

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TeamGreen wrote:
I make parts from raw materials I get from the USA/North America, Japan & thru-out Europe. The Material Supply Chain has been a shit show ever...
I make parts from raw materials I get from the USA/North America, Japan & thru-out Europe. The Material Supply Chain has been a shit show ever since we got our asses handed to us by this POS Virus form Hell/Zombie Apocalypse.

Frankly, I could give a shit and we'll figure out how to "get'er done" no matter what the challenges are. I'd just be happy if Newmann could lose this damn COVID Rev. II and be "good" again.

Other than that?

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Life goes on.
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I've had today into federal and state "Made in America" laws, across different agencies and with different standards for when it can be claimed or the product used in US public project. It comes up in customs, government procurement, and laws against false advertising. It makes "organic" labeling look simple. The "raw" materials standards are more heavily in the construction area, many of the others hinge on where the last complex assembly occurred. (Neither for nor against such policies as long as rational with respect to demand and sources of material).

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