Electric bikes in future mx

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I would buy an Electric CRF-E the day it was available.

Its simply amazing Harley Davidson hasnt used their technology and brought it over to some kind of off road motorcycle.
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Yep, they raced in New York last week, and nobody cared or noticed. [embed][/embed] "Formula E was founded to counteract climate change by accelerating the adoption...
Yep, they raced in New York last week, and nobody cared or noticed.



"Formula E was founded to counteract climate change by accelerating the adoption of electric vehicles."

That is proof why NOT to have a separate series. If it wasn't for the green initiative they wouldn't exist.

The only possible reason for not allowing them against IC bikes is that they would be too good, and render the other's obsolete. Progress. If they can't compete, oh well too bad.
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I'm curious to know why you think nobody cared or noticed?
That’s why I posted the video, take a look there was nobody there but flaggers. I happen to live around the corner from Cota, and the crowds for F1 are huge, almost as big as a home UT football gameLaughing
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I would buy an Electric CRF-E the day it was available. Its simply amazing Harley Davidson hasnt used their technology and brought it over to some...
I would buy an Electric CRF-E the day it was available.

Its simply amazing Harley Davidson hasnt used their technology and brought it over to some kind of off road motorcycle.
They can't even sell their LiveWire.
Laughing
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That’s why I posted the video, take a look there was nobody there but flaggers. I happen to live around the corner from Cota, and the...
That’s why I posted the video, take a look there was nobody there but flaggers. I happen to live around the corner from Cota, and the crowds for F1 are huge, almost as big as a home UT football gameLaughing
That's because they were only allowed to have 3,000 spectors. No wonder it looked empty.

The SX races looked empty as well.

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If F1 has formula E, Motogp has Moto-E, then why shouldn't Mx have Mx-E? When the time comes, MX & SX should have an electric series.

It brings in potentially different sponsors that normally wouldn't be in MX, plus open the gates for more privateers to race.
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skeef wrote:
If F1 has formula E, Motogp has Moto-E, then why shouldn't Mx have Mx-E? When the time comes, MX & SX should have an electric series...
If F1 has formula E, Motogp has Moto-E, then why shouldn't Mx have Mx-E? When the time comes, MX & SX should have an electric series.

It brings in potentially different sponsors that normally wouldn't be in MX, plus open the gates for more privateers to race.
EMX. So ghey.

Little leagues. Another class to sandbag. Everybody gets a trophy.
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7/15/2021 8:55pm
The future? The Alta is already super good. I'd said the future is now. I have no problem racing in the 450 class or open cc classes. At the local level there doesn't need to be separate classes. I just sold my EXR to get rid of some toys, but i'll probably never sell my MXR. No other bike gives me the riding experience that the Alta gives. You wont know what i'm talking about until you ride one.
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Motocross bikes that I've owned:

KX 80
KX 100
CR 125
YZ 400
Cannondale MX 400
KX 250
Cannondale X440
KX 250F
KTM 520SX
RMZ 450F
YZ 250F
YZ 450F
CR 450F
Alta Redshift MX

My Alta is, hands down, the best motocross bike I have ever owned, period. I just got my suspension back today from Lainer Suspension and the bike is absolutely dialed. I'm still grinning from my ride today.
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Bruce372
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I can't wait.

Gimme a 125 weight bike with a 450 engine
Gimme an air shock, so I don't have to change springs.
Gimme a portable solar panel to charge fhe bike in between motos
Gimme a ford f150 electric to haul it around in.

I'll gladly never drop off used oil, buy gas and work on engines ever again
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7/15/2021 10:05pm
Go watch some downhill MTB racing. It's very exciting.
Instead of being so negative, imagine where we could have motocross tracks and racing if the bikes where silent.
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I think of it this way that I don't need the following to go ride one: spare fuel tank with 1-2 gallons (VP racing probably hates the idea of E-mx ha), fresh air filter, don't need to ride with ear plugs anymore, a giant tool box with spare parts to try and fix something at the track, wondering if it will leak anything and grenade, properly warming the motor up and I could go on and on...

I love my 350 too so it's all a day dream anyway.
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I can’t hear the bikes on TV in SX and I love the racing.. it’s not just the sound that makes racing exciting.
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Also I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that every manufacturer already has a prototype electric bike like Honda already made and being developed.
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No doubt it's because I'm a old man and had so many good times as the sport grew. There are associations that make mx fun for me. Like the sound of a full gate of bikes dropping and smells of race gas and premix.
Racing will still be racing. But it's going to be different.
I'm going to mount a speaker on my ebike where the silencer would be and run a 125 sound
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7/16/2021 6:12am
I view it as an alternative to ICE, I hope it doesn't replace/displace or eliminate the current 2 binggers and four bangers. I'm just at the point that MOTO is not my main hobby anymore and I would like a bike to hop on and cruise say once a month with having minimal maintenance associated. I'm at the point in my life where going warp speed and soaring over Laracco's leap are not priority. I just want an easy accessible option to escape the world for 20 minutes at a time.
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Electric propulsion is culturally and sensorially redundant. Need a lot of marketing effort to elevate them beyond one trick ponies.
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I saw today the head of the EU announcing that petrol and diesel vehicles would be banned by 2035, in the EU.

I wonder if Motorcycles are going to be subject to that - they are, after all, vehicles. But, regulations have been generally, a few years later on MCs, than those applied to Cars and Trucks in the EU.

Me, I was putting money aside for an Alta. And am still doing so for whatever is to come, from major manufacturers. I'll keep my ICE bikes, but for my local riding, something that only 'whirs', will allow me to still ride where I have for over 5 decades now. Though, it will still probably looked on as evil by the enviro wackos, and anti fun brigade.
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Bearuno wrote:
I saw today the head of the EU announcing that petrol and diesel vehicles would be banned by 2035, in the EU. I wonder if Motorcycles...
I saw today the head of the EU announcing that petrol and diesel vehicles would be banned by 2035, in the EU.

I wonder if Motorcycles are going to be subject to that - they are, after all, vehicles. But, regulations have been generally, a few years later on MCs, than those applied to Cars and Trucks in the EU.

Me, I was putting money aside for an Alta. And am still doing so for whatever is to come, from major manufacturers. I'll keep my ICE bikes, but for my local riding, something that only 'whirs', will allow me to still ride where I have for over 5 decades now. Though, it will still probably looked on as evil by the enviro wackos, and anti fun brigade.
They aren't banning gas or gasoline engines, they are ending the sale of new ones.

That said, by 2035, market forces will have taken over well before.

Look at performance, no production vehicle accelerates as fast as a tesla.

Look at the new f150. Does any production full size pickup do 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds? Does any full size have independent rear suspension along with an engine bay that can store several suitcases?

The only thing that new f150 can't do is drive 600 miles on q charge, like my duramax 3.0 will do on a tank of diesel, but I am sure itwon't be long until they can. Not sure any of the other gas pickups will do 600 per tank either.
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7/16/2021 7:30am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2021 7:32am
Bruce372 wrote:
They aren't banning gas or gasoline engines, they are ending the sale of new ones. That said, by 2035, market forces will have taken over well...
They aren't banning gas or gasoline engines, they are ending the sale of new ones.

That said, by 2035, market forces will have taken over well before.

Look at performance, no production vehicle accelerates as fast as a tesla.

Look at the new f150. Does any production full size pickup do 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds? Does any full size have independent rear suspension along with an engine bay that can store several suitcases?

The only thing that new f150 can't do is drive 600 miles on q charge, like my duramax 3.0 will do on a tank of diesel, but I am sure itwon't be long until they can. Not sure any of the other gas pickups will do 600 per tank either.
Yes, I missed putting in 'sales'.

I've no problem with EVs - as I said, my next new bike purchase will almost certainly be an Electric bike, if / when what I want becomes available. And, I'll keep my ICE bikes and other ICE vehicles. That smoking old Frankenstein of a bike in my Avatar, is going to the grave with me - well, no, it's being passed onto friends that will love it after I'm gone.

I look at it this way ( while recognizing that I'm probably well, well off base) - EVs become predominant, means Fuel for our ICEs remains available....... yep, a silly, naïve hope, but you've got to try to look on the bright side, just a bit.
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7/16/2021 7:38am
My pops picked up this 2021 electric motion trials bike and my 2022 is on the way to the states. For trials events this seems like a no brainer.3 maps 125,250 and 300cc. Full on clutch makes spooling up and doing splats so fun. Battery lasts forever.

Now in the world of enduro, electric might take a longer time to reach the ranges desired
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BroFoSho wrote:
I hate to tell you this... but every major auto manufacturer is spending big dollars transitioning to electric and phasing out ICE... Well maybe except Dodge...
I hate to tell you this... but every major auto manufacturer is spending big dollars transitioning to electric and phasing out ICE...



Well maybe except Dodge. They are still like "fuck it, we'll put a hellcat motor in a minivan. It's going to be sweet"
Did you miss the part about racing? Anyone else want to tell me what we all know again?
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BroFoSho wrote:
I hate to tell you this... but every major auto manufacturer is spending big dollars transitioning to electric and phasing out ICE... Well maybe except Dodge...
I hate to tell you this... but every major auto manufacturer is spending big dollars transitioning to electric and phasing out ICE...



Well maybe except Dodge. They are still like "fuck it, we'll put a hellcat motor in a minivan. It's going to be sweet"
Did you miss the part about racing? Anyone else want to tell me what we all know again?
Racing is about performance and we are rapidly approaching a tipping point where electric out performs...
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I posted this in the Pingree thread, maybe it's more appropriate here?

Maybe the right answer is to have an electric bike class with comparable power to a 125? Start the rookies on that, develop the bikes, then spec the premier electric bikes.

The OEM's will not support a 125, maybe they will support an entry-level electric bike that can compete on a true SX track? It gives them a chance to "right-size" the bikes power to bridge the gap between an 80/110 and a 250f.

Hell, maybe you make a chassis that will accept different size electric motors, or provide a spec motor/electric package that fits in an OEM-provided chassis? That seems like a good opportunity for the OEM's to get together and help tone down the bikes a bit. It's obvious that the bikes are getting out of hand for anyone under "expert" level.
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If we put the sound/noise/baarp to the side, I wonder how many take pride in being good mechanics also, therefore many see their skills/craft become obsolete... now, maybe that's Ok, but could it also be that 'Moto' is for many as much (in Vet instances even more) a hobby in the garage, top-end re-builds etc.. pride in being good with engines (even if you still don't dare to jump the double).

I don't think Manufacturers will give a sh*t about the above, they will produce fast fun bikes that will blow the doors of ICE engines within the next 10years... is it in 3 or 9, I have no idea.

I've said it in separate threds sometimes, me riding motocross is for the joy of the sport, not doing those g*d d*mn engine rebuilds, I hate it that I have a new coming up within 10-20h again Sad

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Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have to tone things down via software to make them more ridable... then you end up with a wonky "powerband" of sorts....

Love how quiet they are for certain areas, but enormous amount of wonky power does not make for a great track bike.... then the recharge and cool down times...... electric does have its place... but actually racing MX might not be one of them....
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BroFoSho wrote:
I hate to tell you this... but every major auto manufacturer is spending big dollars transitioning to electric and phasing out ICE... Well maybe except Dodge...
I hate to tell you this... but every major auto manufacturer is spending big dollars transitioning to electric and phasing out ICE...



Well maybe except Dodge. They are still like "fuck it, we'll put a hellcat motor in a minivan. It's going to be sweet"
Did you miss the part about racing? Anyone else want to tell me what we all know again?
Bruce372 wrote:
Racing is about performance and we are rapidly approaching a tipping point where electric out performs...
I’ll bet you $250 to the charity of winners choice that there won’t be electric bikes in AMA pro MX/SX by the year 2031.
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7/16/2021 10:25am
skeef wrote:
If F1 has formula E, Motogp has Moto-E, then why shouldn't Mx have Mx-E? When the time comes, MX & SX should have an electric series...
If F1 has formula E, Motogp has Moto-E, then why shouldn't Mx have Mx-E? When the time comes, MX & SX should have an electric series.

It brings in potentially different sponsors that normally wouldn't be in MX, plus open the gates for more privateers to race.
Great idea!
And what happens when the E-moto is the fastest race in the schedule? Does the ‘e’ race become the premier class? And that’s where the sponsors will want to go, and then that’s where the riders will want to go, then there’s less interest in the 250 & 450 races, so they get dropped and there we are… arrived in the same place anyway.
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7/16/2021 10:30am
Also when you go to buy a emx-bike you essentially could ride it as a 125 class 250f class 450f class depending on the computer set up you select.. I would think it would be cheaper to manufacture eventually since you could run the same parts/frame/e-motor for any class you would like to race (no need for different bikes)
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7/16/2021 10:40am
gt80rider wrote:
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have...
Electric motors just aren't as ridable as gas..... when you are getting max torque at zero rpm, and that is a LOT of torque, you have to tone things down via software to make them more ridable... then you end up with a wonky "powerband" of sorts....

Love how quiet they are for certain areas, but enormous amount of wonky power does not make for a great track bike.... then the recharge and cool down times...... electric does have its place... but actually racing MX might not be one of them....
A month ago you were corrected about your misconception of "max torque at zero RMP" an yet here you are spewing the same line. Jeez..
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