Oblivious Deano roadblocks Roczen, but at least he's sorry

1/24/2021 6:24am
EngIceDave wrote:
How was someone to relay this big conspiracy to Dean about where everyone else was on the track and how much he needed to slow down...
How was someone to relay this big conspiracy to Dean about where everyone else was on the track and how much he needed to slow down?

Personally, I am really over conspiracy theories at this point
Just because you don’t agree with or believe something, doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory.
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1/24/2021 6:29am
Yea it’s such a conspiracy that there are all these 180 degree turns and Wilson doesn’t know who’s behind him and how far they are. OMG GET THE TINFOIL. SECRET MESSAGES. JFK. 9/11
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1/24/2021 6:37am
EngIceDave wrote:
How was someone to relay this big conspiracy to Dean about where everyone else was on the track and how much he needed to slow down...
How was someone to relay this big conspiracy to Dean about where everyone else was on the track and how much he needed to slow down?

Personally, I am really over conspiracy theories at this point
Just because you don’t agree with or believe something, doesn’t make it a conspiracy theory.
So how was all this information relayed? No one saw it on a pit board? They cheat with radios?

It's a stretch, really
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Rozcen fans are so funny lol
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1/24/2021 6:58am
I used to be a big deano fan.... hope the cash was worth it.... cause he lost a lot of fans last night... and for a guy who can't break the top ten anymore, quite sad....
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1/24/2021 6:59am
Ted722 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/23/474588/s1200_Screenshot_2021_01_23_at_9.14.01_PM.jpg[/img] https://twitter.com/CRtwotwo/status/1353190791494119424
If anyone would know what it's like to be a lapper that wont get out of the way it's this guy.
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1/24/2021 7:01am
gt80rider wrote:
I used to be a big deano fan.... hope the cash was worth it.... cause he lost a lot of fans last night... and for a...
I used to be a big deano fan.... hope the cash was worth it.... cause he lost a lot of fans last night... and for a guy who can't break the top ten anymore, quite sad....
So you really think that Dean got paid off to hold up Ken 😂😂
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1/24/2021 7:11am
Jef Pizza wrote:
Instead of blaming the riders, the flaggers had to take their job more seriously. I really can understand riders are just to focussed or adrenalinaited to...
Instead of blaming the riders, the flaggers had to take their job more seriously. I really can understand riders are just to focussed or adrenalinaited to see everything around them. Flaggers had to do one job. Flagging.
You do realize there are 5-7 blue flags around the track?
And everyone of them was waved at Wilson once the leaders got close?
Only certain flaggers have blue flags.
The AMA flagger on the straight before the wall turn about hit him with it.
They did their job exactly as they were supposed to.
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1/24/2021 7:12am
Deano cost me dearly in fantasy SX last night as I had Roczen for the win and Webb in second. Oh well, I’m not mad. I could quite possibly be the most cynical old bastard here but I don’t think for one second that DW15 held up Roczen purposely.
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1/24/2021 7:32am
toddw12 wrote:
Rozcen fans are so funny lol
Im not sure who this Rozcen fellow is youre speaking of but here we're discussing how a lapper cost title contender Roczen a win. Lappers getting in the way of any of the leaders fires people up around here, as it should when they blatantly dont move over and stay in the racing lines.
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1/24/2021 7:46am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 7:47am
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is...
Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is no warning it's a black and white rule. It doesn't matter if he didn't see it. Officer I didn't see the speed limit sign . It doesn't cut it.
It’s not a black and white rule though. There is scope in the rule book to give a warning and a fine if it’s not a blatant violation. Which I don’t believe it was. A couple of riders in the 250 LCQ last Saturday jumped on Red Cross flags much more blatantly and they were still allowed to race the main, so their punishment was virtually nothing compared to Roczen’s. We need a better group of stewards, who are ex SX racers, have been there a done it, can put themselves in the riders shoes and apply some common sense
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1/24/2021 7:50am
Ricky poking holes in Deano's apology:

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1/24/2021 7:56am
Red Cross flag is a major safety flag. It's use it's tp protect the lives of the rider and the medical/safety staff.

Blue flag is a courtesy flag. It does not mandate or require any specific action.


You cannot in good conscience compare the two flags
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1/24/2021 8:06am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 8:07am
Feld paid Wilson to bring in more drama and excite the fanbase and in turn create more revenue. Yep that's the one we're going with today. Damn, Feld Entertainment is always one step ahead. On a side note. Dean Wilson has never done anything similar that i recall and does not seem like his character. Some folks here need to get out and exhaust themselves on their dirt scooter.
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1/24/2021 8:10am
“ Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.” - Charles Swindoll

Ken needs to fall back and regroup. Yes, the situation was not managed properly by Wilson, but dwelling on it via social media solves nothing and hinders advancement. He leaves Houston with the points lead, which should be his sole focus, not continuing to reference H2 and H3 flagging.

Also, if Webb wasn’t already in KR’s melon, he is now. Ken’s undeniable talent should erase doubts, but for one reason or another, that pesky KTM rider keeps working his way back into the narrative. And complaining via Instagram will only serve to sharpen Cooper’s mental edge.

Roger D recently compared RC and Marvin, specifically how they responded to on-track miscues. Roger said while MM would take a couple of laps to regroup, the Suzuki team frequently had to remind Ricky of a racing incident. Successful people have an ability to compartmentalize and not allow one event to negatively impact another. Kenny may want to walk away from social media and let his racing do the talking.
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1/24/2021 8:14am
Deano's lying if he reckons he couldn't see flags AND didn't know the leaders were there. The video from the stands that was posted earlier shows...
Deano's lying if he reckons he couldn't see flags AND didn't know the leaders were there.

The video from the stands that was posted earlier shows the flaggers clearly showing him the blue flag, multiple times.

Dean's not that stupid.
I watched that one too. That blue flagger at the end of the start straight almost smacked Dean in the face (not an exaggeration) with the flag he was waving it so hard. I have literally no idea what Dean is talking about when trying to say he didn't see flags or know what was going on around him. That's simply not true. I don't know what the real reason was Dean didn't give way to the leaders, but it isn't because he could see the blue flags or know that the leaders were coming. Its not like team Austria preplanned any team orders in the 3rd race of the season, so rule that out. Dean wasn't racing for position with anybody, rule that out. Cooper doesn't want to win races that way. Dean didn't have a beef with Ken. If anything, I don't think Dean is overly close with Cooper.

Dean makes a significant amount of money based on his social media presence, and by all accounts he's a really good guy (love his annual bike give away). This episode will most definitely hit him in the pocket book when it comes to social media exposure (negative exposure).

There's just no good explanation for what Dean did last night - but clearly he did it.
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1/24/2021 8:18am
EngIceDave wrote:
Red Cross flag is a major safety flag. It's use it's tp protect the lives of the rider and the medical/safety staff. Blue flag is a...
Red Cross flag is a major safety flag. It's use it's tp protect the lives of the rider and the medical/safety staff.

Blue flag is a courtesy flag. It does not mandate or require any specific action.


You cannot in good conscience compare the two flags
Blue flag means there is a race going on, and Deano was Not in it..... should have been black flagged.... is black a courtesy flag too?? Lmao
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1/24/2021 8:18am
LoudLove wrote:
“ Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.” - Charles Swindoll Ken needs to fall back and regroup. Yes...
“ Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.” - Charles Swindoll

Ken needs to fall back and regroup. Yes, the situation was not managed properly by Wilson, but dwelling on it via social media solves nothing and hinders advancement. He leaves Houston with the points lead, which should be his sole focus, not continuing to reference H2 and H3 flagging.

Also, if Webb wasn’t already in KR’s melon, he is now. Ken’s undeniable talent should erase doubts, but for one reason or another, that pesky KTM rider keeps working his way back into the narrative. And complaining via Instagram will only serve to sharpen Cooper’s mental edge.

Roger D recently compared RC and Marvin, specifically how they responded to on-track miscues. Roger said while MM would take a couple of laps to regroup, the Suzuki team frequently had to remind Ricky of a racing incident. Successful people have an ability to compartmentalize and not allow one event to negatively impact another. Kenny may want to walk away from social media and let his racing do the talking.

Good post.
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1/24/2021 8:18am
This was bad, but no where near as bad as the Chad Reed and Dungey incident a few years back.
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1/24/2021 8:21am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 8:22am
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is...
Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is no warning it's a black and white rule. It doesn't matter if he didn't see it. Officer I didn't see the speed limit sign . It doesn't cut it.
RG1 wrote:
It’s not a black and white rule though. There is scope in the rule book to give a warning and a fine if it’s not a...
It’s not a black and white rule though. There is scope in the rule book to give a warning and a fine if it’s not a blatant violation. Which I don’t believe it was. A couple of riders in the 250 LCQ last Saturday jumped on Red Cross flags much more blatantly and they were still allowed to race the main, so their punishment was virtually nothing compared to Roczen’s. We need a better group of stewards, who are ex SX racers, have been there a done it, can put themselves in the riders shoes and apply some common sense
The red cross flag was displayed and his wheels left the ground. It doesn't get any more blatant than that. My point was saying you didn't see the flag doesn't matter.
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1/24/2021 8:22am
Has dean ever done anything similar before?
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1/24/2021 8:39am
Wow can't believe some of things I have read on here about being paid off and trying to gain favor. Dean was on the lead lap and trying to race for positions ahead of him. Yes it sucks he got in the way but doubt he did that intentionally. Give the man some credit for owning up to it and apologizing in the open.
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1/24/2021 8:46am
mb60 wrote:
Wow can't believe some of things I have read on here about being paid off and trying to gain favor. Dean was on the lead lap...
Wow can't believe some of things I have read on here about being paid off and trying to gain favor. Dean was on the lead lap and trying to race for positions ahead of him. Yes it sucks he got in the way but doubt he did that intentionally. Give the man some credit for owning up to it and apologizing in the open.
"racing for position"? With who? He was 10 seconds behind the rider in front of him. He refused to give way to the leaders for about a lap and a half. Go watch the end of the race again brother. I give him credit for the apology and I don't think it was intentionally malicious against KR or to benefit Cooper. But I have no idea what the real reason was he didn't give way to the leaders. There's no good explanation. But for certain, he wasn't "racing for position". And what did that get him? He got docked multiple race positions for not giving way.
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1/24/2021 8:50am
gt80rider wrote:
Blue flag means there is a race going on, and Deano was Not in it..... should have been black flagged.... is black a courtesy flag too...
Blue flag means there is a race going on, and Deano was Not in it..... should have been black flagged.... is black a courtesy flag too?? Lmao
No, a black flag mandates a specific action.
"You are DQd, exit the track"

Blue flag does not mandate a specific action.

BTW, the outdoor rule is this

From the 2020 AMA Rules for Professional Motocross Competition:
iii. Blue Flag: Indicates a rider is about to be overtaken by a faster rider. The overtaken
rider should hold their line and not impede the progress of the faster rider. Riders
disregarding this flag may be black flagged at the discretion of the Race Director.
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1/24/2021 8:57am
Wilson , what an ass. He can take his apologies and put it u know where.
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1/24/2021 9:01am
peltier626 wrote:
Has dean ever done anything similar before?
Indy 2018, when he aggressively punted Broc Tickle out of second place, for one. Still haven't forgiven him for that.

95% of the time, Deano is a cool and low key rider, so unlike Bam Bam or Forkner, there's plausible deniability for these incidents. But when said incidents are that big and dramatic and out of character for him...I don't buy that he's 100% innocent.
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