Varner Motorsports issues

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Well, there ya go.....
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12/30/2020 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 1:31pm
Here is my theory. This comes from my 5 years managing a high performance car shop and getting to know how many shops operate, especially on tight profit margins.

This guy isn't taking people motors and selling them. He's clearly floating his business the wrong way with money. This happens when the people in charge are terrible at managing money.

When you sent him your motor and the money, in the back of his head he knew he had some time to get it done. The motor went on the shelf and your money went right into his bank account. When you operate on small margins, chances are he took your money and used it to finish other projects he was behind on. This creates a cycle of always having to use new build deposits to finish jobs he was already paid for. So now since its been so long he has to come up with the money himself to finish your motor. Its like with every job he is robbing Peter to pay Paul sort of situation. After he stacks up 4 or 5 motors that are long over due and the deposit money has been spent, he's struggling to get them done because he needs to come up with the money to finish them.

This would make me 100% question the quality of his work.
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12/30/2020 1:34pm
I wished swap would have the balls to ask him why he's such an asshole on camera.
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12/30/2020 1:36pm
Chance1216 wrote:
I’ve sat back for a couple days now watching this thread without commenting. I posted here in this thread for people to see help was available...
I’ve sat back for a couple days now watching this thread without commenting. I posted here in this thread for people to see help was available and, for everyone else I’m friends with to hold me accountable to my word. However, I have not once gotten a pm from anybody. I sent out two PMs and no response. For the third time tonight, my family has asked, do the guys want their engines back or not. Both my cousin and uncle have said, if I had an opportunity to get my engine back after waiting so long, fuck waiting till after the holidays, please get my shit!
I’m kind of at a loss myself not knowing whether to just say screw it, I gave you a chance or sit back and wait for that message at someone else’s convenience. Holidays or not, a simple hey, got the message, I’ll touch base with you soon and my name is whatever. Or, thanks but, no thanks.
8 days ago I said, we’d help. I know my post has been seen yet, nothing. The guy willing to go out of his way for the sake of decency really shouldn’t have to be the one reaching out, looking for updates within this thread and wondering if this is a waste of our time.

I didn’t care if it was one engine or ten. We were willing to make a run for you guys.

Any thoughts?
Thanks for Chance1216 and his family for making an effort to help. I had a long talk with Terry the day before Christmas. It appears we...
Thanks for Chance1216 and his family for making an effort to help.

I had a long talk with Terry the day before Christmas. It appears we have a resolution in the works for after the New Year. He sent pictures of the motor. I could see my serial number. So it's there.

I won't go into details about the resolution till it's done.

Again many of you are now getting what has happened. And a lot of non related posts aren't happening.
Ahhhhhh---the 'ol "after the Holidays" routine, ay ?? Good luck with all that !! Honestly......Grinning
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12/30/2020 1:51pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Well, there ya go.....
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so persistent???

Best of intentions I’m sure, but your family can’t do shit for getting this guy his motor back.
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12/30/2020 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 2:03pm
dkurtd wrote:
I was bored so I went back through this thread to see who posted they were waiting on Varner, below are the results: Kowalczyk579 - Started...
I was bored so I went back through this thread to see who posted they were waiting on Varner, below are the results:

Kowalczyk579 - Started the thread and eventually got his motor parts back, I believe it was 9 months.
wadmaster11 - Got his back eventually after close to 2 years
cmotodad - Got his back after a couple months
607 Collective - Still waiting after 2 years.
EJRACING - Lives in Norway and after a year is still waiting.
jswalter4729 - Been waiting since May of this year.


I would say it wasn't just one person who had problems with Varner, there were others who posted long delays but just chalked it up to doing business with him.

I've come to the conclusion that if Tom Morgan retires I will ride stock bikes.
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Eric Gorr
There was a similar thread about EG on here awhile back....

Honestly, send stuff to TMR and live happily ever after. No fuss, just solid work, at a fair price, from a nice guy who gives a shit about his customers. What a concept.
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Chance1216 wrote:
Well, there ya go.....
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so...
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so persistent???

Best of intentions I’m sure, but your family can’t do shit for getting this guy his motor back.
His family was waiting for a response. Yes or no. Only on the internet would a guy trying to help someone he’s never met be criticized for being helpful.

Who pissed in your wheaties this morning?
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dkurtd wrote:
I was bored so I went back through this thread to see who posted they were waiting on Varner, below are the results: Kowalczyk579 - Started...
I was bored so I went back through this thread to see who posted they were waiting on Varner, below are the results:

Kowalczyk579 - Started the thread and eventually got his motor parts back, I believe it was 9 months.
wadmaster11 - Got his back eventually after close to 2 years
cmotodad - Got his back after a couple months
607 Collective - Still waiting after 2 years.
EJRACING - Lives in Norway and after a year is still waiting.
jswalter4729 - Been waiting since May of this year.


I would say it wasn't just one person who had problems with Varner, there were others who posted long delays but just chalked it up to doing business with him.

I've come to the conclusion that if Tom Morgan retires I will ride stock bikes.
numbers wrote:
Eric Gorr
omalley wrote:
There was a similar thread about EG on here awhile back.... Honestly, send stuff to TMR and live happily ever after. No fuss, just solid work...
There was a similar thread about EG on here awhile back....

Honestly, send stuff to TMR and live happily ever after. No fuss, just solid work, at a fair price, from a nice guy who gives a shit about his customers. What a concept.
This industry is going to shit. I blame four strokes 🤣 there use to be a guy by gig harbor Velasco or something like that years and years ago. He did some great work for some of my friends.
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12/30/2020 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 2:20pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Well, there ya go.....
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so...
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so persistent???

Best of intentions I’m sure, but your family can’t do shit for getting this guy his motor back.
Why so persistent? I made an offer that included other people. Me, myself, it doesn’t matter. When I reached out and asked my family if they would help, that is the only reason I wanted to know. They would’ve had to schedule their time around it. People were on here saying how screwed they were and, it was out of decency an olive branch was extended.
As far as being that one guy, I don’t do social media. The only thing I spend time on socially is Vital. Not Twitter, not facebook or anything else. Nor do I keep tabs on things like this. Kinda jumping to conclusions are we?
In regards to getting the person/persons their shit back, it was the intent to say, this person wants their stuff, here’s the proof.
After that, well, your right not much to be done on our end if our request was denied. However, it could’ve given the owner/owners more reason to pursue it legally. They waited x amount of time, made calls, left messages, sent people who live within that state with documentation at the actual owners request to release these parts as they live out of state. All things proving a case against Varner. Either way, I hope it all works out.
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12/30/2020 2:23pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Well, there ya go.....
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so...
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so persistent???

Best of intentions I’m sure, but your family can’t do shit for getting this guy his motor back.
Wanta bet
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12/30/2020 3:03pm
Has anyone else tried calling him today? Doesn’t even ring, just goes straight to voicemail every time for me.
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Has anyone else tried calling him today? Doesn’t even ring, just goes straight to voicemail every time for me.
He probably needs some time off for the holidays! It’s very tiring and stressful avoiding all your customers, definitely deserves a break! 😂
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Thanks for Chance1216 and his family for making an effort to help. I had a long talk with Terry the day before Christmas. It appears we...
Thanks for Chance1216 and his family for making an effort to help.

I had a long talk with Terry the day before Christmas. It appears we have a resolution in the works for after the New Year. He sent pictures of the motor. I could see my serial number. So it's there.

I won't go into details about the resolution till it's done.

Again many of you are now getting what has happened. And a lot of non related posts aren't happening.
Facepalm, not checking on this thread again.
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Looby321 wrote:
Facepalm, not checking on this thread again.
Cool story Bro.
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12/30/2020 5:24pm
Here is my theory. This comes from my 5 years managing a high performance car shop and getting to know how many shops operate, especially on...
Here is my theory. This comes from my 5 years managing a high performance car shop and getting to know how many shops operate, especially on tight profit margins.

This guy isn't taking people motors and selling them. He's clearly floating his business the wrong way with money. This happens when the people in charge are terrible at managing money.

When you sent him your motor and the money, in the back of his head he knew he had some time to get it done. The motor went on the shelf and your money went right into his bank account. When you operate on small margins, chances are he took your money and used it to finish other projects he was behind on. This creates a cycle of always having to use new build deposits to finish jobs he was already paid for. So now since its been so long he has to come up with the money himself to finish your motor. Its like with every job he is robbing Peter to pay Paul sort of situation. After he stacks up 4 or 5 motors that are long over due and the deposit money has been spent, he's struggling to get them done because he needs to come up with the money to finish them.

This would make me 100% question the quality of his work.
It’s called a ponzi scheme....
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Chance1216 wrote:
Well, there ya go.....
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so...
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so persistent???

Best of intentions I’m sure, but your family can’t do shit for getting this guy his motor back.
Since we can only see who gives a post an upvote and not a downvote, I’d like it to be known that I downvoted this post.....!
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Thanks for Chance1216 and his family for making an effort to help. I had a long talk with Terry the day before Christmas. It appears we...
Thanks for Chance1216 and his family for making an effort to help.

I had a long talk with Terry the day before Christmas. It appears we have a resolution in the works for after the New Year. He sent pictures of the motor. I could see my serial number. So it's there.

I won't go into details about the resolution till it's done.

Again many of you are now getting what has happened. And a lot of non related posts aren't happening.
Looby321 wrote:
Facepalm, not checking on this thread again.
Downvoted this one also.

While it was nice of chance to offer his help, it was also smart for collective to decline. All it would take is for tempers to somehow flare during this interaction and it’d be a huge mess when it came to liability issues. I understand that a lot of people would want to punch Varner in the face, but this isn’t a cartoon where there’s no consequences for actions.

When it comes down to it, the best thing that these people who are being screwed over can do is to warn others about his business practices, and keep hounding him for their stuff. Keep following whatever legal actions that they can, and if they decide to confront him in person then that’s their option.

Chance made a pretty well intentioned offer to help, for sure. But it’s likely best that his family didn’t get put into a potentially bad situation.
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12/30/2020 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 12/31/2020 12:16pm
Its a shame that this post is not a sticky and certain media are still pumping Varner. I would take an ad out in a mag, get a few people to chip in.
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12/30/2020 6:37pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Well, there ya go.....
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so...
You seem like the guy that posts on social media about that one time you helped that one guy. You made your offer, why be so persistent???

Best of intentions I’m sure, but your family can’t do shit for getting this guy his motor back.
Was that comment absolutely necessary? Chance was offering to try and help if you missed it.
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12/30/2020 6:45pm
Its a shame that this post is not a sticky and certain media are still pumping Varner. I would take an ad out in a mag...
Its a shame that this post is not a sticky and certain media are still pumping Varner. I would take an ad out in a mag, get a few people to chip in.
And you know the media sees this post...... I think we need to send them a big WTF!
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12/30/2020 7:40pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 7:40pm
Its a shame that this post is not a sticky and certain media are still pumping Varner. I would take an ad out in a mag...
Its a shame that this post is not a sticky and certain media are still pumping Varner. I would take an ad out in a mag, get a few people to chip in.
rucka356 wrote:
And you know the media sees this post...... I think we need to send them a big WTF!
I could not agree more with both of you guys.
At the very least, could the OP add the word "Review" to the title.
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12/30/2020 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 8:02pm
Paging GuyB.. I nominate this thread to be a sticky at the top of the forum.

I think it’s the right thing to do to help the Moto community be aware of it.

I don’t know Terry personally, but have had some good conversations with him dating back to the early 2000’s. It’s a shame because he is a really good engine tuner. He seems to have lost his way somehow. Not cool to be providing the service he has as of lately.
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12/30/2020 8:33pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2020 8:37pm
numbers wrote:
Eric Gorr
omalley wrote:
There was a similar thread about EG on here awhile back.... Honestly, send stuff to TMR and live happily ever after. No fuss, just solid work...
There was a similar thread about EG on here awhile back....

Honestly, send stuff to TMR and live happily ever after. No fuss, just solid work, at a fair price, from a nice guy who gives a shit about his customers. What a concept.
numbers wrote:
This industry is going to shit. I blame four strokes 🤣 there use to be a guy by gig harbor Velasco or something like that years...
This industry is going to shit. I blame four strokes 🤣 there use to be a guy by gig harbor Velasco or something like that years and years ago. He did some great work for some of my friends.
Yep...Eric or Mike I think it was. Did a motor for at least one friend of mine, and it ripped.

As I recall, he worked for or out of Brothers Honda?
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I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re trusting Varner’s tainted word of “After the holidays I’ll get around to it”.

Just get your stuff back guys. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
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aeffertz wrote:
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re...
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re trusting Varner’s tainted word of “After the holidays I’ll get around to it”.

Just get your stuff back guys. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
To be fair, they had the opportunity for someone to TRY to get their stuff back. What are the odds he's there or lets them in when they show up? What are the odds he actually has their stuff there? What are the odds he lets them take it based on an e-mail if he does have it?

It was really nice of Chance and his family to offer to help, but it's not a slam dunk.
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aeffertz wrote:
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re...
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re trusting Varner’s tainted word of “After the holidays I’ll get around to it”.

Just get your stuff back guys. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
Someone should make some Tasty But honost shirts about Varner. Sale them and give the proceeds to wounded warriors or rider support. Id buy a couple wear everywhere i go thats moto related and answer any questions asked about the shirt.
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aeffertz wrote:
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re...
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re trusting Varner’s tainted word of “After the holidays I’ll get around to it”.

Just get your stuff back guys. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
numbers wrote:
Someone should make some Tasty But honost shirts about Varner. Sale them and give the proceeds to wounded warriors or rider support. Id buy a couple...
Someone should make some Tasty But honost shirts about Varner. Sale them and give the proceeds to wounded warriors or rider support. Id buy a couple wear everywhere i go thats moto related and answer any questions asked about the shirt.
You can go down to local graphic,shirt designer . Make some. Not expensive if you buy a bunch.
12/31/2020 9:03am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2020 9:04am
LungButter wrote:
More great Varner Motorsports Reviews coming in.

This is unbelievable, how can this guy show his face at race tracks with BS like this happening?
I’m not condoning it or suggesting someone do it, but I’m surprised no one has punched the guy in the face. What he’s doing is tantamount to stealing. If you keep someone’s motor for years, you should not only send the completed engine back, but give them a full refund. When I’m on a job, if I screw something up, I fix it even if it ends up costing me money. That’s how you run a business.
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LungButter wrote:
More great Varner Motorsports Reviews coming in.

This is unbelievable, how can this guy show his face at race tracks with BS like this happening?
I’m not condoning it or suggesting someone do it, but I’m surprised no one has punched the guy in the face. What he’s doing is tantamount...
I’m not condoning it or suggesting someone do it, but I’m surprised no one has punched the guy in the face. What he’s doing is tantamount to stealing. If you keep someone’s motor for years, you should not only send the completed engine back, but give them a full refund. When I’m on a job, if I screw something up, I fix it even if it ends up costing me money. That’s how you run a business.
Obviously this guy doesn’t know how to run a business. There are many people that should just punch a timeclock for somebody else that attempt to run businesses.
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aeffertz wrote:
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re...
I’m confused now. The people that wanted their stuff back had the opportunity to have a third party pick it up for them but now they’re trusting Varner’s tainted word of “After the holidays I’ll get around to it”.

Just get your stuff back guys. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
numbers wrote:
Someone should make some Tasty But honost shirts about Varner. Sale them and give the proceeds to wounded warriors or rider support. Id buy a couple...
Someone should make some Tasty But honost shirts about Varner. Sale them and give the proceeds to wounded warriors or rider support. Id buy a couple wear everywhere i go thats moto related and answer any questions asked about the shirt.
I sent Varner $1500 and my engine and all I got was this lousy T-shirt
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