Deegan cutting the track in the supermini 1 moto 2 at the mini o's.

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numbers 12/1/2020 10:51am
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Average Vitard wrote:
I've been on vital for longer than I can remember and I've been here daily for the past 3 years. With that being said I totally...
I've been on vital for longer than I can remember and I've been here daily for the past 3 years. With that being said I totally expected this.
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We should make up a quiz for something like this....Answer OG questions Who is RC16 and what did he do? Who's Marcad? Mikeeep? What was BobbyM's...
We should make up a quiz for something like this....Answer OG questions

Who is RC16 and what did he do?

Who's Marcad?
Mikeeep?

What was BobbyM's famous insult?

Did Gman's van really break down?

What would Hannah do. Would Bob have taken the inside line came back on the track and knocked someone of their bike in the process. This happens all the time. If he was already top 5 and came out top 5 I dont see any harm.
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mx 219 12/1/2020 11:44am
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Looks like a mistake, but at 22:30 of the video he could have cut to the right and tucked back in behind the guys on the inside. This probably would have put him about mid-pack since he was to the inside. Instead he went to the left and got an advantage IMO.

I think there is too much leniency on situations like this from the Pros to amateurs, and until there is an example made out of someone it will continue to happen.
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crt32 12/1/2020 11:56am
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Watch the video again.....he clearly hits a small rut or loses his balance and it angles him slightly...could he have backed off, maybe, but he didn't choose that line like others have mentioned.
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mxman 12/1/2020 12:06pm
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On purpose or not is not relevant. The track was cut, positions gained. What else matters ?
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Finnish_Flash_62 12/1/2020 12:33pm
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Can’t wait for him to turn pro and the Vital forums melting on a weekly basis Woohoo
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Johnny Ringo 12/1/2020 12:35pm
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Track cutting aside, the blatant disdain for a teenager that most are obviously jealous of is getting gross
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bvm111 12/1/2020 12:42pm
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how do you guys make it through your day without whining about something that is inconsequential to reality and getting offended at the world. holy shit he “cut” the track, he is a cheater!!!! jimminy christmas!
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Brad460 12/1/2020 12:53pm
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how do you guys make it through your day without whining about something that is inconsequential to reality and getting offended at the world. holy shit...
how do you guys make it through your day without whining about something that is inconsequential to reality and getting offended at the world. holy shit he “cut” the track, he is a cheater!!!! jimminy christmas!
Can you imagine being so shitty of a person you actually needed to create a new account to start a thread bashing this kid?

Thinking this is a new vital low...
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SoCalMX70 12/1/2020 12:56pm
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I just find it odd how people try to excuse these situations with "well he made a mistake"... No shit. You shouldn't get rewarded for your mistakes in racing. I don't care who it is.
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Average Vitard 12/1/2020 12:58pm
12/1/2020 12:58pm
bvm111 wrote:
how do you guys make it through your day without whining about something that is inconsequential to reality and getting offended at the world. holy shit...
how do you guys make it through your day without whining about something that is inconsequential to reality and getting offended at the world. holy shit he “cut” the track, he is a cheater!!!! jimminy christmas!
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Can you imagine being so shitty of a person you actually needed to create a new account to start a thread bashing this kid? Thinking this...
Can you imagine being so shitty of a person you actually needed to create a new account to start a thread bashing this kid?

Thinking this is a new vital low...
Where am I bashing the kid? I asked how he got away with cutting the track?
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Brad460 12/1/2020 1:08pm
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Where am I bashing the kid? I asked how he got away with cutting the track?
Except you knew exactly where the thread would go...Dick move I think..but whatever...carry on.
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burn1986 12/1/2020 1:12pm
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They should’ve docked him
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Average Vitard 12/1/2020 1:12pm
12/1/2020 1:12pm
Average Vitard wrote:
Where am I bashing the kid? I asked how he got away with cutting the track?
Brad460 wrote:
Except you knew exactly where the thread would go...Dick move I think..but whatever...carry on.
Umm that goes with pretty much every thread on here. Imagine being a man about it and not clicking on the thread to respond or bash the poster.
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bodean123 12/1/2020 1:15pm
12/1/2020 1:15pm
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you please dock me a few positions, k thks bye”
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White_jake 12/1/2020 1:25pm
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bodean123 wrote:
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you...
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you please dock me a few positions, k thks bye”
No we expect the kid to not cheat and gain time by cutting the track even if it was a mistake then go on to win the Moto
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kage173 12/1/2020 1:27pm
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Brad460 wrote:
Can you imagine being so shitty of a person you actually needed to create a new account to start a thread bashing this kid? Thinking this...
Can you imagine being so shitty of a person you actually needed to create a new account to start a thread bashing this kid?

Thinking this is a new vital low...
I can imagine pointing out evidence of people not following the rules and the organizers of competition not penalizing them for it.

Why is that a Vital low?
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EngIceDave 12/1/2020 1:28pm
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bodean123 wrote:
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you...
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you please dock me a few positions, k thks bye”
Good point, do we know if a protest was made?

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agn5009 12/1/2020 1:31pm
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Which race was this? Was it his first start on the track, if so is it possible he confused the track markers? Regardless, he should have...
Which race was this? Was it his first start on the track, if so is it possible he confused the track markers?

Regardless, he should have been penalized. He should have started last. Since they didn't penalize him(ridiculous) Brian Deegan should step up and do the right thing.

This is a big deal and could really hurt Haiden's image. His camp need to get on top of this, issue an apology and forfeit his result. It would be the mature thing to do and set a good example.
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I don't know Brian Deegan personally, but I think that there is a near-zero percent chance of an apology. I would bet money that their argument...
I don't know Brian Deegan personally, but I think that there is a near-zero percent chance of an apology. I would bet money that their argument would be that he didn't stay on the gas 100%, that even if he accelerated it wasn't as much as the dudes on the track, and that he reentered as safely as possible.
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That would be a mistake. This isn't going to go away, and could define people's opinions of Haiden for a long time to come. The video...
That would be a mistake. This isn't going to go away, and could define people's opinions of Haiden for a long time to come. The video doesn't lie. Sure, you could say, "big deal, it's just one race". But once the image of a cheater has been implanted in people's minds you know how that goes. As a parent Brian has a duty to show his kids what good sportsmanship is. It's his decision to make. Haiden seems like a good kid and he might have just made a mistake and in that split decision didn't fall in line. And it's not just Haiden we're talking about really since the Deegan's are basically a race team at this point. Brian has an image to protect for all his kids.
Lol it will go away and be forgotten in about 3 days. He should have been docked. Most will agree with that. But he’s a kid and this is an amateur event. Shame on the promoter or whoever decided against docking him.
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Average Vitard 12/1/2020 1:33pm
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bodean123 wrote:
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you...
So do people expect the kid to approach the judges after the race and say “excuse me sir, I think I cut the track, can you please dock me a few positions, k thks bye”
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Good point, do we know if a protest was made?

From what I've heard he was protested. The ama wanted to dock him and the promoter advised them not to.
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OG725 12/1/2020 1:33pm
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Motocross has rules. Those rules apply whether you earn 7 figures or you are racing the 50cc class at Chicken Licks Raceway. I'm not sure of...
Motocross has rules. Those rules apply whether you earn 7 figures or you are racing the 50cc class at Chicken Licks Raceway. I'm not sure of the rules at the Mini Os, but they are AMA, correct? Here are the stipulations in the 2020 AMA amateur rulebook:

6. Course Cutting
a. Leaving the designated race course is forbidden. A
rider must make every effort to stay on course at all
times. The penalty for course cutting to gain an
advantage will be the loss of finishing positions or a
disqualification.
b. A rider forced off the course may continue the race by
properly re-entering the track at the closest safe point.
While off the course the rider may not accelerate in
an unsafe manner or attempt to gain an advantage.
If a rider accelerates while off the course or cuts large
amounts of the race course, the rider may be
determined to have gained an advantage without
gaining a position.
c. An advantage is not defined by the race position.


Looks like Dangerboy should have been docked positions for accelerating while off course.
He re-entered at the "closest safe point". Did he "Accelerate in an unsafe manner, or attempt to gain an advantage"? I'd say he was just trying to stay where he was. If he did it every moto, yeah, he's cheating.

Saw some YouTube footage and it looked like the others were riding over their heads to try to run the kids pace.
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lostboy819 12/1/2020 1:58pm
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Average Vitard wrote:
From what I've heard he was protested. The ama wanted to dock him and the promoter advised them not to.
I guess it was addressed at the track and no penalties were given so case closed. Cool
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Nathaniel129 12/1/2020 1:58pm
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I'm not a Deegan fan, though I respect what they are doing. Some of their "content" is certainly cringe worthy, but faulting them for using their resources to go racing at the highest level they can is ridiculous.
He made a mistake after getting a really good jump out of the gate. He absolutely let off and cruised for a bit once he left the track, anyone who watches the video and doesn't see that, well I don't know what to say.
Did he slow dramatically to enter behind where he was? No. Did he "cut the track" and gain a huge advantage? Also no.
If this was a much lesser known rider it wouldn't be looked at the same by 90% of you guys. He's in the spot light, I get it, but come on this is not Jason Lawrence at Daytona level BS.
Clearly so many of you guys haven't been on a full starting gate before. Wow.
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Average Vitard 12/1/2020 2:02pm
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Average Vitard wrote:
From what I've heard he was protested. The ama wanted to dock him and the promoter advised them not to.
lostboy819 wrote:
I guess it was addressed at the track and no penalties were given so case closed. Cool
I'm wondering why the promoter advised them not to? Because I also heard that another rider got docked for the same thing.
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lostboy819 12/1/2020 2:05pm
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Average Vitard wrote:
From what I've heard he was protested. The ama wanted to dock him and the promoter advised them not to.
lostboy819 wrote:
I guess it was addressed at the track and no penalties were given so case closed. Cool
Average Vitard wrote:
I'm wondering why the promoter advised them not to? Because I also heard that another rider got docked for the same thing.
Then why don't you call and ask him ? now you are just stirring the shit.
I just wonder why you didnt start this thread under you other Vital account Wink
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Average Vitard 12/1/2020 2:09pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I guess it was addressed at the track and no penalties were given so case closed. Cool
Average Vitard wrote:
I'm wondering why the promoter advised them not to? Because I also heard that another rider got docked for the same thing.
lostboy819 wrote:
Then why don't you call and ask him ? now you are just stirring the shit. I just wonder why you didnt start this thread under...
Then why don't you call and ask him ? now you are just stirring the shit.
I just wonder why you didnt start this thread under you other Vital account Wink
Asking a question is stirring the shit? Probably because this is my only vital account.
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hyler199 12/1/2020 2:09pm
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This will affect everyone involved
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I'm not a Deegan fan, though I respect what they are doing. Some of their "content" is certainly cringe worthy, but faulting them for using their...
I'm not a Deegan fan, though I respect what they are doing. Some of their "content" is certainly cringe worthy, but faulting them for using their resources to go racing at the highest level they can is ridiculous.
He made a mistake after getting a really good jump out of the gate. He absolutely let off and cruised for a bit once he left the track, anyone who watches the video and doesn't see that, well I don't know what to say.
Did he slow dramatically to enter behind where he was? No. Did he "cut the track" and gain a huge advantage? Also no.
If this was a much lesser known rider it wouldn't be looked at the same by 90% of you guys. He's in the spot light, I get it, but come on this is not Jason Lawrence at Daytona level BS.
Clearly so many of you guys haven't been on a full starting gate before. Wow.
Looks like he had plenty of time to reenter the track before the banners started at the corner. He did go on to win the moto so this kind of thing is gonna get looked at closer than some kid finishing midpack.


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GrapeApe 12/1/2020 2:14pm
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Average Vitard wrote:
I'm wondering why the promoter advised them not to? Because I also heard that another rider got docked for the same thing.
lostboy819 wrote:
Then why don't you call and ask him ? now you are just stirring the shit. I just wonder why you didnt start this thread under...
Then why don't you call and ask him ? now you are just stirring the shit.
I just wonder why you didnt start this thread under you other Vital account Wink
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Asking a question is stirring the shit? Probably because this is my only vital account.
What other rider? If you were to say X rider took the same line and they docket him X amount of spots, that would carry some weight. But just say "I heard" this and "I heard" that just makes it sound like you started a new account to stir shit. Get specific or GTFO.
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