Hey DC, it's time for some changes, this is not the 2000's or 1988.

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kkawboy14 11/25/2020 4:08am
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DC isn’t here right now! He’s out there trying to get the low down on the Blake Baggett deal for us!
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Not gonna happen - I completely agree that modifying the rules would be a great idea but what happens when some dude on his 2021 KTM300 SX beats a factory rider on a 4t? I think the possible implications of a target market suddenly buying 2 strokes because they are now deemed "competitive" is scary to the OEM's. To a certain degree we all buy based off of what we see at the races - letting 2 strokes into arguably the most prestigious (not quite the fastest Tongue ) MX series in the world will have the OEM's shitting their pants, so this aint gonna happen chiefs. A 125 feeder class is a no brainer to me and I would be glued ot my NBC Gold app for even longer on race weekends if they provided coverage of these suggested 125 races.
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bvm111 wrote:
seriously this isn’t the 2000s ... just give it a rest for the love of god!!!!
This man gets it. I love a 2-stroke like the next guy, but I'm also a realist. They ain't comin' back guys, get over it and move on with your lives.
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Mxgp has it right with an age limit on 250s........ mxgp also has it right with a goggle lane..... weird to see us behind the euro guys.... but we are...
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bvm111 wrote:
seriously this isn’t the 2000s ... just give it a rest for the love of god!!!!
DoctorJD wrote:
This man gets it. I love a 2-stroke like the next guy, but I'm also a realist. They ain't comin' back guys, get over it and...
This man gets it. I love a 2-stroke like the next guy, but I'm also a realist. They ain't comin' back guys, get over it and move on with your lives.
Sad to say but the way things stand right now, you're correct.
The big 4 OEM's don't seem to have any interest in bringing 2 strokes back.
Although I do think there's a real need for 125's for kids to transition from 85's to 250f's.

My brother is a Kaw dealer, and has said many times he wished they would build a 125 again.
That's the main reason he took on TM. Just to have a 2t option. Even though they're pricey.

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We all know that these things won't happen not because of DC but because when he sits down with the manufacturers they don't want this. Yeah it sucks. Look at the series which are not supported by all the factories; arenacross, enduro cross, motoamerica, these are not business models to follow.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but 250 2-strokes in the 250 class wouldn't change a thing. Yeah, allow them. No problem there. But the big surge of 2 smokers in the class that you think you'll see wont happen. EMX250 already proved it.
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Every Dilla race that Stankdog raced with the 125 against the 250 4ts, I would scream my lungs out and could care less who was leading
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Dirty Points 11/25/2020 11:45am
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Sorry to burst your bubble but 250 2-strokes in the 250 class wouldn't change a thing. Yeah, allow them. No problem there. But the big surge...
Sorry to burst your bubble but 250 2-strokes in the 250 class wouldn't change a thing. Yeah, allow them. No problem there. But the big surge of 2 smokers in the class that you think you'll see wont happen. EMX250 already proved it.
If "it wouldn't change a thing", it seems really silly to artificially restrict it.
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GeorgiePorgie 11/25/2020 12:02pm
11/25/2020 12:02pm
Methinks fans don’t carry any professional sport after seeing empty stands this year. It’s a ruse. Racers still gonna race. Sports still gonna sport.
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Bearuno, they would choose to ride 4 strokes because they are superior racing machines. Plain and simple
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Bearuno 11/25/2020 1:34pm
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Bearuno, they would choose to ride 4 strokes because they are superior racing machines. Plain and simple
After a couple of decades of protection from equal competition, they bloody well aught to be.

I'm not one of those twits that think 2ts would dominate, as modern 4ts are just so bloody good.

But, as I wrote , and have done many times, these BS rules need to be removed.

What I so often find, is the majority of people that rave about the absolute superiority of 4ts, a lot of the time, say that equal displacement between 2ts and 4ts, would be unfair. And that's just bloody Pathetic.

They, if anyone, should be fully behind Equivalency of Capacity rules, if they are so secure in their opinion. Whistling
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themrtoad 11/25/2020 1:37pm
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I would love to see twostrokes back too
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lostboy819 11/25/2020 1:55pm
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A few years back when the same subject came up DC used the excuse that it would not be fair to Honda and the OEMs that didn't make a 2 stroke anymore and it would exclude them. How about rewarding the OEMs that have kept investing in and making 2 stroke race bikes and quit worrying about the ones who decided on their own not to continue building them. Maybe now that KTM has some pull and not letting Honda be his daddy anymore they can maybe make some changes................but I doubt it will happen. Sad and while we are dreaming lets go back to a two day sat practice and Sunday National set up and enjoy a weekend at the races, the movie is ON ANY SUNDAY, not Saturday.Blush
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queen of spodes 11/25/2020 2:38pm
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Some people would rather watch the world burn than change things for the better.
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kage173 11/25/2020 2:59pm
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queen of spodes wrote:
Some people would rather watch the world burn than change things for the better.
We're talking motocross right? Or is this the curing cancer thread?
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CASH476 11/25/2020 3:21pm
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If they even up the capacity rules won't they have to restrict the 2 strokes so that they only fire every other stroke? Y'know, to keep things equal Silly
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bvm111 11/25/2020 3:29pm
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bvm111 wrote:
seriously this isn’t the 2000s ... just give it a rest for the love of god!!!!
DoctorJD wrote:
This man gets it. I love a 2-stroke like the next guy, but I'm also a realist. They ain't comin' back guys, get over it and...
This man gets it. I love a 2-stroke like the next guy, but I'm also a realist. They ain't comin' back guys, get over it and move on with your lives.
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Sad to say but the way things stand right now, you're correct. The big 4 OEM's don't seem to have any interest in bringing 2 strokes...
Sad to say but the way things stand right now, you're correct.
The big 4 OEM's don't seem to have any interest in bringing 2 strokes back.
Although I do think there's a real need for 125's for kids to transition from 85's to 250f's.

My brother is a Kaw dealer, and has said many times he wished they would build a 125 again.
That's the main reason he took on TM. Just to have a 2t option. Even though they're pricey.

I have both a 250 2stroke and a 450 because I love both... I wasn’t knocking 2 strokes at all!!! but as you guys know they will never return to racing at the top level, and DC has nothing to do with it... the manufacturers do, mainly Honda and they will never build another two stroke!
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DC runs his own series. He’s just a promoter. Yeah it has ama in some of the advertisements but it’s his own deal. It’s funded primarily by Honda. That’s who pays the bills. They don’t want 2-strokes so that’s where it’s at.
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queen of spodes wrote:
Some people would rather watch the world burn than change things for the better.
kage173 wrote:
We're talking motocross right? Or is this the curing cancer thread?
Geico and JGR. Both of these rules are about ease of access to the Pro sport. For rider's and bike builder's and teams.
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2WheelsForTheMasses 11/26/2020 8:29am
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zehn wrote:
Even with equal displacement rules I’m certain most, if not all competitive guys would still choose the 4 stroke
Still it would be fun to see a open class with 500cc 2strokes like we did vack in the late 80's
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2WheelsForTheMasses 11/26/2020 8:36am
11/26/2020 8:36am
We need a series that caters to its fans not the oem's

Oem's have proven its all about money!!!

What about sport?

Has the competition been riddled out of sport?

Money money money!!!!! It's ridiculous.

Its kinda like the nfl!!! I hate it. I prefer highschool and college football because the fact its for the love of the game.

Moto has tried to hard to go mainstream and it will never work!!!

This sport is for real men and women who work on weekdays and race on weekends!



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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
We need a series that caters to its fans not the oem's Oem's have proven its all about money!!! What about sport? Has the competition been...
We need a series that caters to its fans not the oem's

Oem's have proven its all about money!!!

What about sport?

Has the competition been riddled out of sport?

Money money money!!!!! It's ridiculous.

Its kinda like the nfl!!! I hate it. I prefer highschool and college football because the fact its for the love of the game.

Moto has tried to hard to go mainstream and it will never work!!!

This sport is for real men and women who work on weekdays and race on weekends!



Big time college players and teams get paid big $$, dont kid yourself. And there goal is to play pro ball and the free education. .
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Mouse153 11/26/2020 12:40pm
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Why are you calling out DC? Those are the AMA rules, not the promoters. However since we have his attention I would like like to see...
Why are you calling out DC? Those are the AMA rules, not the promoters.

However since we have his attention I would like like to see a 125 class like the EMX125 series in Europe :-)
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Tim Cotter made it seem like we might see something like that in the coming years on the last Pulp show. It’s a good listen.
I heard the interview and hope it happens.
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A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible and the elimination of two strokes. It's pretty simple, nobody would go to the zoo if every neighborhood had an elephant. The powers that be in this sport have purposely changed it from a participant based sport to a spectator based sport. They do not want every neighborhood to have a kid trying to qualify for the nationals, that eliminates the aura and spectacle. Honda doesn't use supercross to sell CRFs, they use it for brand awareness, selling Civics and snow blowers. DC and his like know this, the nationals and supercross would be much less special if any fast kid could try and qualify on even equipment, or even rode the track on an amateur day that weekend. Why do you think our sport is the only pro sport that exploits, glamorizes, and promotes injuries amongst the athletes participating, it makes people less likely to participate themselves. They want a crowd at the races, TV viewership, big sponsor dollars, they have all told us that. How will that happen if the sport is not unique and inaccessible to the average rider? How many people would watch F1 if you could buy Hamilton's car at the local dealership? Two strokes make the sport too accessible to the average rider, never will they ever be raced in the pro ranks again.
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piscokid 11/27/2020 6:36am
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Viewsonic wrote:
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible...
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible and the elimination of two strokes. It's pretty simple, nobody would go to the zoo if every neighborhood had an elephant. The powers that be in this sport have purposely changed it from a participant based sport to a spectator based sport. They do not want every neighborhood to have a kid trying to qualify for the nationals, that eliminates the aura and spectacle. Honda doesn't use supercross to sell CRFs, they use it for brand awareness, selling Civics and snow blowers. DC and his like know this, the nationals and supercross would be much less special if any fast kid could try and qualify on even equipment, or even rode the track on an amateur day that weekend. Why do you think our sport is the only pro sport that exploits, glamorizes, and promotes injuries amongst the athletes participating, it makes people less likely to participate themselves. They want a crowd at the races, TV viewership, big sponsor dollars, they have all told us that. How will that happen if the sport is not unique and inaccessible to the average rider? How many people would watch F1 if you could buy Hamilton's car at the local dealership? Two strokes make the sport too accessible to the average rider, never will they ever be raced in the pro ranks again.
This is quite possibly the dumbest theory I have ever read...By your logic, it would be impossible for my kid to sign up and play football, because the NFL wants to keep it a spectator sport and they don't want it "to accessible"
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Viewsonic wrote:
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible...
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible and the elimination of two strokes. It's pretty simple, nobody would go to the zoo if every neighborhood had an elephant. The powers that be in this sport have purposely changed it from a participant based sport to a spectator based sport. They do not want every neighborhood to have a kid trying to qualify for the nationals, that eliminates the aura and spectacle. Honda doesn't use supercross to sell CRFs, they use it for brand awareness, selling Civics and snow blowers. DC and his like know this, the nationals and supercross would be much less special if any fast kid could try and qualify on even equipment, or even rode the track on an amateur day that weekend. Why do you think our sport is the only pro sport that exploits, glamorizes, and promotes injuries amongst the athletes participating, it makes people less likely to participate themselves. They want a crowd at the races, TV viewership, big sponsor dollars, they have all told us that. How will that happen if the sport is not unique and inaccessible to the average rider? How many people would watch F1 if you could buy Hamilton's car at the local dealership? Two strokes make the sport too accessible to the average rider, never will they ever be raced in the pro ranks again.


Holy shit, I cant believe i just read that all the way through.
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Viewsonic 11/27/2020 8:33am
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Viewsonic wrote:
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible...
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible and the elimination of two strokes. It's pretty simple, nobody would go to the zoo if every neighborhood had an elephant. The powers that be in this sport have purposely changed it from a participant based sport to a spectator based sport. They do not want every neighborhood to have a kid trying to qualify for the nationals, that eliminates the aura and spectacle. Honda doesn't use supercross to sell CRFs, they use it for brand awareness, selling Civics and snow blowers. DC and his like know this, the nationals and supercross would be much less special if any fast kid could try and qualify on even equipment, or even rode the track on an amateur day that weekend. Why do you think our sport is the only pro sport that exploits, glamorizes, and promotes injuries amongst the athletes participating, it makes people less likely to participate themselves. They want a crowd at the races, TV viewership, big sponsor dollars, they have all told us that. How will that happen if the sport is not unique and inaccessible to the average rider? How many people would watch F1 if you could buy Hamilton's car at the local dealership? Two strokes make the sport too accessible to the average rider, never will they ever be raced in the pro ranks again.
piscokid wrote:
This is quite possibly the dumbest theory I have ever read...By your logic, it would be impossible for my kid to sign up and play football...
This is quite possibly the dumbest theory I have ever read...By your logic, it would be impossible for my kid to sign up and play football, because the NFL wants to keep it a spectator sport and they don't want it "to accessible"
The football analogy proves my point. Your kid will probably never even meet a pro football player, let alone be one. Nor will he ever likely meet a pro basketball, baseball, or NASCAR driver, let alone attempt to qualify for any of those sports at the pro level. Pro football is so popular because so many people know how far out of reach or "not accessible" it is to the average athlete, your promoters of motocross know this, why would they want access to machinery for just anyone to try to qualify for pro events? Where would the spectacle be in that? It's about attendance, TV viewership, energy drink sponsors, etc..
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Viewsonic wrote:
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible...
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible and the elimination of two strokes. It's pretty simple, nobody would go to the zoo if every neighborhood had an elephant. The powers that be in this sport have purposely changed it from a participant based sport to a spectator based sport. They do not want every neighborhood to have a kid trying to qualify for the nationals, that eliminates the aura and spectacle. Honda doesn't use supercross to sell CRFs, they use it for brand awareness, selling Civics and snow blowers. DC and his like know this, the nationals and supercross would be much less special if any fast kid could try and qualify on even equipment, or even rode the track on an amateur day that weekend. Why do you think our sport is the only pro sport that exploits, glamorizes, and promotes injuries amongst the athletes participating, it makes people less likely to participate themselves. They want a crowd at the races, TV viewership, big sponsor dollars, they have all told us that. How will that happen if the sport is not unique and inaccessible to the average rider? How many people would watch F1 if you could buy Hamilton's car at the local dealership? Two strokes make the sport too accessible to the average rider, never will they ever be raced in the pro ranks again.
piscokid wrote:
This is quite possibly the dumbest theory I have ever read...By your logic, it would be impossible for my kid to sign up and play football...
This is quite possibly the dumbest theory I have ever read...By your logic, it would be impossible for my kid to sign up and play football, because the NFL wants to keep it a spectator sport and they don't want it "to accessible"
Viewsonic wrote:
The football analogy proves my point. Your kid will probably never even meet a pro football player, let alone be one. Nor will he ever likely...
The football analogy proves my point. Your kid will probably never even meet a pro football player, let alone be one. Nor will he ever likely meet a pro basketball, baseball, or NASCAR driver, let alone attempt to qualify for any of those sports at the pro level. Pro football is so popular because so many people know how far out of reach or "not accessible" it is to the average athlete, your promoters of motocross know this, why would they want access to machinery for just anyone to try to qualify for pro events? Where would the spectacle be in that? It's about attendance, TV viewership, energy drink sponsors, etc..
Spectacle is Works bikes and an Open class, not a production restricted class.

No one cares about qualifying, if you make the show regardless what you ride you belong.
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lostboy819 11/27/2020 9:40am
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Viewsonic wrote:
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible...
A lot of fans of this sport have a hard time grasping why the promoters and powers that be make racing the pro ranks so inaccessible and the elimination of two strokes. It's pretty simple, nobody would go to the zoo if every neighborhood had an elephant. The powers that be in this sport have purposely changed it from a participant based sport to a spectator based sport. They do not want every neighborhood to have a kid trying to qualify for the nationals, that eliminates the aura and spectacle. Honda doesn't use supercross to sell CRFs, they use it for brand awareness, selling Civics and snow blowers. DC and his like know this, the nationals and supercross would be much less special if any fast kid could try and qualify on even equipment, or even rode the track on an amateur day that weekend. Why do you think our sport is the only pro sport that exploits, glamorizes, and promotes injuries amongst the athletes participating, it makes people less likely to participate themselves. They want a crowd at the races, TV viewership, big sponsor dollars, they have all told us that. How will that happen if the sport is not unique and inaccessible to the average rider? How many people would watch F1 if you could buy Hamilton's car at the local dealership? Two strokes make the sport too accessible to the average rider, never will they ever be raced in the pro ranks again.

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