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I bet Jesse wentland is on board with this.
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ML is right. Many times you guys get all mad and up in arms that you're not getting the real story or some shit, and here's...
ML is right.

Many times you guys get all mad and up in arms that you're not getting the real story or some shit, and here's ML who decided in a massive stroke of brilliance to start a motocross team during the season that'll have Cooties-virus, murder hornets, California is on fire, there's five hurricanes in the atlantic, Louisiana will get hit five times by hurricanes in 2020 and to top it all off, it's an election year.....Good job, Michael

LOL

Sorry....

But he's been in the shit, had to fund a team, what sponsors want and what it takes...and you shit on the guy, or you just dismiss his input.

I can tell you, he's not wrong.

The things described to do, box vans, I hardly know any local racers that use box vans now, they all have toy haulers or toy hauler trailers, but using box vans is like 20-30 years ago at this point, isn't it?

Things are so way different now with the sponsor VIP areas in the pit areas, the catering, need the warm up stationary bike/rower/climber for the rider, how you carry that in a box van with everything else?
brocster wrote:
See the forest through the trees. Box van was used for simplicity VIP areas. There are suites for that Warm up machines. Whats wrong with a...
See the forest through the trees.

Box van was used for simplicity

VIP areas. There are suites for that

Warm up machines. Whats wrong with a few burpees or jumping jacks.

Getting back to the basics of motorcycle racing and direct sponsorships to riders would be a breath of fresh air.

That is all
ML512 wrote:
I’m seeing through the forest known as 2020, you’re looking through the forest known as 1985. I do challenge you to present some math. Come up...
I’m seeing through the forest known as 2020, you’re looking through the forest known as 1985. I do challenge you to present some math. Come up with the figures required to operate four box vans for a four rider team versus one semi over the course of ten seasons. When starting a team I went through a ton of different scenarios to end up where I did. The costs would surprise you.
As stated we’ll agree to disagree as you are in it and I am a nobody with an opinion. See you from the the other side of the ropes...
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Let's start with the small stuff and let the riders sell merch at the events.....
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piscokid wrote:
Let's start with the small stuff and let the riders sell merch at the events.....
Seems like a no brainer to me.
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Didn’t Wonder Warthog solve the Privateers dilemma years ago?
9/15/2020 10:58am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2020 11:00am
Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam.


I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica jerseys (stay out of this if you’re gonna reply with “posers wear sx jerseys to races”)

They need to be able to brand themselves and sell themselves to kids in the stands. If my daughter wanted a dean Wilson Jersey at his merch truck I’d buy her one....
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Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam. I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica...
Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam.


I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica jerseys (stay out of this if you’re gonna reply with “posers wear sx jerseys to races”)

They need to be able to brand themselves and sell themselves to kids in the stands. If my daughter wanted a dean Wilson Jersey at his merch truck I’d buy her one....
I’m sorry but that statement makes no sense to me.

why would you write off supercross as a loss? Field is a privately held corporation.
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9/15/2020 11:20am
You know vitards are living in the past when they start suggesting teams go back to box vans lol
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9/15/2020 11:26am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2020 11:26am
Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam. I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica...
Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam.


I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica jerseys (stay out of this if you’re gonna reply with “posers wear sx jerseys to races”)

They need to be able to brand themselves and sell themselves to kids in the stands. If my daughter wanted a dean Wilson Jersey at his merch truck I’d buy her one....
Brent wrote:
I’m sorry but that statement makes no sense to me.

why would you write off supercross as a loss? Field is a privately held corporation.
So they can pocket more money from Monster Jam, obviously
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Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam. I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica...
Feld probably writes off Supercross as a loss so they can pocket more money from monster jam.


I agree with pisco...let the riders sell merchandise. Replica jerseys (stay out of this if you’re gonna reply with “posers wear sx jerseys to races”)

They need to be able to brand themselves and sell themselves to kids in the stands. If my daughter wanted a dean Wilson Jersey at his merch truck I’d buy her one....
Brent wrote:
I’m sorry but that statement makes no sense to me.

why would you write off supercross as a loss? Field is a privately held corporation.
GrapeApe wrote:
So they can pocket more money from Monster Jam, obviously
Yeah, just "write it off"!
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I read the petition, but I didn't see any specific demands/requests. What exactly is being asked for here?
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You know vitards are living in the past when they start suggesting teams go back to box vans lol
I used the term box van for simplicity and a little sarcasm. People with half a brain would know I meant use something other than a NASCAR semi with full awning, mirror doors and a powder room
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You know vitards are living in the past when they start suggesting teams go back to box vans lol
brocster wrote:
I used the term box van for simplicity and a little sarcasm. People with half a brain would know I meant use something other than a...
I used the term box van for simplicity and a little sarcasm. People with half a brain would know I meant use something other than a NASCAR semi with full awning, mirror doors and a powder room
Funmovers are a possibility to a certain degree. But still run out of parts space for a full pro team. A Showhauler is actually more expensive to have than most full semis and trailers...but you gain the advantage of not having a CDL to drive it.

Oddly enough, you can get a used full team semi and trailer for 80-150k that's in good enough shape to operate for over ten years. A well equipped sprinter van is 70k plus. And yes, I can sell way larger sponsor deals against a semi and larger pit presence than I can against a sprinter. The sprinters and box vans will wear out and have to be replaced in 5 years with that much driving on them. The semi is going to keep rolling.

Factory teams do go nuts and have 700k to a million dollars in their trucks and trailers when they first spec them brand new...they do go overkill on layout, you can trim a lot of money by using a different trailer manufacturer other than Featherlite. Brand new, I could be in trailer and tractor for 450k if I was conservative on layout. Spread that out over 10 years of use, I'm in 45k a year. Factory teams are in theres 70-100k a year when the cost is spread over 10 seasons of use.

To be exact, I wouldn't have had any OEM support for my team this season if I hadn't brought a semi to the table. The amount of bikes and parts we got well offset the loss of fuel mileage and permits we needed to move it around.
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Also, don't get me wrong, seriously, but of all those people in the stands, the 40,000 people at say A1, they're not all racers or even...
Also, don't get me wrong, seriously, but of all those people in the stands, the 40,000 people at say A1, they're not all racers or even "core fans," they don't give a shit about Mike Akaydin or Nick Schmidt (no offense to them) but chances are, a majority of the fans in the stands have no idea who they are....so if they strike, no one cares.

Why are the top 8 guys (random number) going to risk all their shit for the guy in the LCQ?

What ever happened to "I got mine, you get yours. Work harder," type of thinking?

Also, ask this....Who are the riders striking against? Feld? Riders don't work for Feld, they work for the teams.

Everyone wants to pay everyone more, just no one knows where it'll come from.

Seems to me, not long ago, everyone was praising Feld for ponying up the cash and the venue, all out of their pockets to pay for it, to complete the SX series and here we are a few short weeks later, ready to toss Feld to the wolves.

Feld has lost BILLIONS of dollars, and y'all wanna roast 'em and feed 'em to the dogs.

I don't get it

Where do you get your figures from? A quick search shows they make a pretty good profit every year. I’m not doubting you that supercross isn’t their most lucrative endeavor, honestly I’m not too sure what else they’re into otherwise besides monster jam.
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ML512 wrote:
Funmovers are a possibility to a certain degree. But still run out of parts space for a full pro team. A Showhauler is actually more expensive...
Funmovers are a possibility to a certain degree. But still run out of parts space for a full pro team. A Showhauler is actually more expensive to have than most full semis and trailers...but you gain the advantage of not having a CDL to drive it.

Oddly enough, you can get a used full team semi and trailer for 80-150k that's in good enough shape to operate for over ten years. A well equipped sprinter van is 70k plus. And yes, I can sell way larger sponsor deals against a semi and larger pit presence than I can against a sprinter. The sprinters and box vans will wear out and have to be replaced in 5 years with that much driving on them. The semi is going to keep rolling.

Factory teams do go nuts and have 700k to a million dollars in their trucks and trailers when they first spec them brand new...they do go overkill on layout, you can trim a lot of money by using a different trailer manufacturer other than Featherlite. Brand new, I could be in trailer and tractor for 450k if I was conservative on layout. Spread that out over 10 years of use, I'm in 45k a year. Factory teams are in theres 70-100k a year when the cost is spread over 10 seasons of use.

To be exact, I wouldn't have had any OEM support for my team this season if I hadn't brought a semi to the table. The amount of bikes and parts we got well offset the loss of fuel mileage and permits we needed to move it around.
Is there a limit to the number of semi rigs that are allowed in the pits? Do you have to reserve a space ahead of time? Do you have to pay more if you bring in a bigger rig?
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Where do you get your figures from? A quick search shows they make a pretty good profit every year. I’m not doubting you that supercross isn’t...
Where do you get your figures from? A quick search shows they make a pretty good profit every year. I’m not doubting you that supercross isn’t their most lucrative endeavor, honestly I’m not too sure what else they’re into otherwise besides monster jam.
Disney on Ice, Disney Live, Marvel Universe Live, Sesame Street Live, The Trolls Experience, Jurassic World Live.

https://www.feldentertainment.com/productions/

I think Feld got their start with the Ringling Bros. Circus, but shut that down 3 years ago.
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ML512 wrote:
Funmovers are a possibility to a certain degree. But still run out of parts space for a full pro team. A Showhauler is actually more expensive...
Funmovers are a possibility to a certain degree. But still run out of parts space for a full pro team. A Showhauler is actually more expensive to have than most full semis and trailers...but you gain the advantage of not having a CDL to drive it.

Oddly enough, you can get a used full team semi and trailer for 80-150k that's in good enough shape to operate for over ten years. A well equipped sprinter van is 70k plus. And yes, I can sell way larger sponsor deals against a semi and larger pit presence than I can against a sprinter. The sprinters and box vans will wear out and have to be replaced in 5 years with that much driving on them. The semi is going to keep rolling.

Factory teams do go nuts and have 700k to a million dollars in their trucks and trailers when they first spec them brand new...they do go overkill on layout, you can trim a lot of money by using a different trailer manufacturer other than Featherlite. Brand new, I could be in trailer and tractor for 450k if I was conservative on layout. Spread that out over 10 years of use, I'm in 45k a year. Factory teams are in theres 70-100k a year when the cost is spread over 10 seasons of use.

To be exact, I wouldn't have had any OEM support for my team this season if I hadn't brought a semi to the table. The amount of bikes and parts we got well offset the loss of fuel mileage and permits we needed to move it around.
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Is there a limit to the number of semi rigs that are allowed in the pits? Do you have to reserve a space ahead of time...
Is there a limit to the number of semi rigs that are allowed in the pits? Do you have to reserve a space ahead of time? Do you have to pay more if you bring in a bigger rig?
Currently there isn't one that I know of. We made Feld aware before the season we would be bringing one in this year and they setup the parking accordingly.

With bringing a semi, you are allotted around a 100' x 30' space which to conduct your racing and activation needs in. And you get a more favorable parking location, especially if tied to an OEM.

Now there is a limit on how many semis a team can bring in. A team can't bring more than one semi in unless they have a connection to an OEM and a parking allotment gifted from them.

The OEMs, all through their deals with Feld, are given three spaces. A race vehicle, hospitality vehicle, and activation vehicle.

Say Honda uses race and hospitality to clear their first two trucks and they can use the third activation area at some rounds for a learn to ride thing (which they've done the past few years) or in years past, they gifted that spot to Geico Honda when they operated two semis for a season or two.
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Currently there isn't one that I know of. We made Feld aware before the season we would be bringing one in this year and they setup...
Currently there isn't one that I know of. We made Feld aware before the season we would be bringing one in this year and they setup the parking accordingly.

With bringing a semi, you are allotted around a 100' x 30' space which to conduct your racing and activation needs in. And you get a more favorable parking location, especially if tied to an OEM.

Now there is a limit on how many semis a team can bring in. A team can't bring more than one semi in unless they have a connection to an OEM and a parking allotment gifted from them.

The OEMs, all through their deals with Feld, are given three spaces. A race vehicle, hospitality vehicle, and activation vehicle.

Say Honda uses race and hospitality to clear their first two trucks and they can use the third activation area at some rounds for a learn to ride thing (which they've done the past few years) or in years past, they gifted that spot to Geico Honda when they operated two semis for a season or two.
Good stuff. Thanks
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Everybody on the gate knows exactly what they signed up for ..... if they don't like it, don't line up...
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RichieW13 wrote:
Disney on Ice, Disney Live, Marvel Universe Live, Sesame Street Live, The Trolls Experience, Jurassic World Live. https://www.feldentertainment.com/productions/ I think Feld got their start with the...
Disney on Ice, Disney Live, Marvel Universe Live, Sesame Street Live, The Trolls Experience, Jurassic World Live.

https://www.feldentertainment.com/productions/

I think Feld got their start with the Ringling Bros. Circus, but shut that down 3 years ago.
Thank you.

Feld also promotes a few concert tours

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Here's the other thing, how many of these guys are doing everything they can to maximize their value. How hard can it be the hold your iPhone sideways and put out 10-20 minutes of behind the scenes on YouTube each week. Guys that are doing this kind of stuff like AMart, Deano, Team Fried, ARay etc. are worth more to sponsors/prospective sponsors.

Some of these guys just need to market themselves better, tons of FREE ways to do this in todays world.
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RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, just "write it off"!


This whole " Write it off" argument makes me laugh a little.

It doesn't really work that way in privately held corporate accounting, but whatever...
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The question is, how can we market moto to get these kinds of numbers? Then the riders need work
to get a piece of the pie.
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Y'all really think the network is paying Feld/MX Sports to air supercross and motocross?
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Motodave15 wrote:
The question is, how can we market moto to get these kinds of numbers? Then the riders need work to get a piece of the pie...
The question is, how can we market moto to get these kinds of numbers? Then the riders need work
to get a piece of the pie.
MX could be marketed by Jesus himself and we aren’t going to get even remotely close to the NHL
I’m all for setting high goals, but the top stick and ball sports are in a different league all together.
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9/15/2020 7:55pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2020 7:57pm
RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, just "write it off"!
Brent wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/09/15/449495/s1200_Image_9_15_20_at_4.38_PM.jpg[/img] This whole " Write it off" argument makes me laugh a little. It doesn't really work that way in privately held corporate accounting, but whatever...


This whole " Write it off" argument makes me laugh a little.

It doesn't really work that way in privately held corporate accounting, but whatever...
Ok. Slow down. Back up a second. Alot of sarcasm in my post, but not all sarcasm. Think about this. 1.3B in profits.....how much of that came from supercross? To rent the stadium, move the equipment, pay the salaries of the track builders etc, and the STANDS STILL ARENT FULL..........you thin maybe they might post some losses from these SUPERCROSS rounds? Think they might write some of that off? Think if they were savvy enough....they could write off supercross losses....? IF they get real business savvy that same dirt they moved into the stadium can be used for monster jam.....if dirtbikes are so damn lucrative why did the road to supercross fail miserably? Why did they dump the arenacross portion?


Feld doesn't give two shits about supercross. If they dropped that shit tomorrow, I bet they could post 1.2B profit.
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Ok. Slow down. Back up a second. Alot of sarcasm in my post, but not all sarcasm. Think about this. 1.3B in profits.....how much of that...
Ok. Slow down. Back up a second. Alot of sarcasm in my post, but not all sarcasm. Think about this. 1.3B in profits.....how much of that came from supercross? To rent the stadium, move the equipment, pay the salaries of the track builders etc, and the STANDS STILL ARENT FULL..........you thin maybe they might post some losses from these SUPERCROSS rounds? Think they might write some of that off? Think if they were savvy enough....they could write off supercross losses....? IF they get real business savvy that same dirt they moved into the stadium can be used for monster jam.....if dirtbikes are so damn lucrative why did the road to supercross fail miserably? Why did they dump the arenacross portion?


Feld doesn't give two shits about supercross. If they dropped that shit tomorrow, I bet they could post 1.2B profit.
Yes, a business can write off allowed expenses.

But they can make even more money by not purchasing those expenses to begin with.

They only continue to operate Supercross because it makes them more money than it costs to operate, over the long run.
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9/15/2020 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2020 8:11pm
I was only just watching this last night and saw this topic just now.

50k prize money for first place back in 1978 (20 second mark in the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH9E2gz4_Pg

On https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

comes out as $199,323.62 in todays money not too bad.

Edit: Thats $272,317.92 of my poor AUDs Sad
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9/15/2020 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2020 8:11pm
And over the long run, do you think they can maintain that profitability paying out 'NFL / NBA / MLB' equivalent salaries to riders?

I guess instead of me saying write it off, I should of said supercross doesn't generate enough revenue to pay these guys. My major point was feld could careless about supercross. The business will go on with or without it, so there's not much incentive to even pay these guys anyway.
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It will NEVER happen. If a large group decided to boycott there would be others to step up and take their place. The guy that qualifies...
It will NEVER happen. If a large group decided to boycott there would be others to step up and take their place. The guy that qualifies 55th 10 seconds off the pace of the 40th place guy thinks it’s his time to shine.

I don’t really get why everyone thinks these guys are in it for the money. I’ve raced with past and present guys. Not all but the majority of these guys come from money or someone who is willing to foot the large bill. Yea some travel in vans but a sprinter that’s 50k?? The modern day privateer is not the same as it use to be.
A lot of them are sleeping in their Sprinters so it serves a double purpose. Back in the day Tony DiStefano stayed at the Hotel Dodge (van). It hasn't changed that much.
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