You're the first on the scene of an amateur racing accident what do you do?

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6/20/2020 11:34am
Falcon wrote:
1- MAKE SURE THE DOWNED RIDER ISN'T IN JEOPARDY OF GETTING RUN OVER. In other words, make sure the flagger is not only flagging, but standing...
1- MAKE SURE THE DOWNED RIDER ISN'T IN JEOPARDY OF GETTING RUN OVER. In other words, make sure the flagger is not only flagging, but standing in a place that prevents riders from jumping, rolling, or falling onto the injured. Get out there yourself if you have to.
2- Proceed with the rest of the above advice to the best of your abilities and no more.
Yep. In the cases where I've been around downed riders, I try to make sure the incident doesn't get worse and wait for people with proper medical training to get there.

If the bike's on them, I'll wait until I think we're not in jeopardy of making things worse, and help them get untangled. The only exception is if there's an imminent chance of injury from a spinning wheel/sprocket/brake, or they're stuck in a way that may cause burns.
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6/20/2020 11:51am
GuyB wrote:
Yep. In the cases where I've been around downed riders, I try to make sure the incident doesn't get worse and wait for people with proper...
Yep. In the cases where I've been around downed riders, I try to make sure the incident doesn't get worse and wait for people with proper medical training to get there.

If the bike's on them, I'll wait until I think we're not in jeopardy of making things worse, and help them get untangled. The only exception is if there's an imminent chance of injury from a spinning wheel/sprocket/brake, or they're stuck in a way that may cause burns.
Where were you when my 250F gave me 3rd degree burns while pinning me on the ground? Probably covering some professional raceSilly Good common sense there Gibby.
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I’ll grab this question and answer it in my column next Friday... great question to ask and important for all of us to know.
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I’ll grab this question and answer it in my column next Friday... great question to ask and important for all of us to know.
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6/20/2020 1:28pm
I’ll grab this question and answer it in my column next Friday... great question to ask and important for all of us to know.
I'm looking forward to your column and thanks for giving it the coverage it needs.

As a follow-up question, what are some precautions that we as participants can/should be taking to mitigate the financial impact of a trip to the hospital? Apart from buying the best health insurance, are the subscription-based emergency air transport services worth it? Is there an equivalent that covers ground transport? What are the medical supplies to have with you at the track? What's a proper crash kit contain? (particularly for treating kids)
I've often considered a SPOT locater and a REACH air subscription for myself but hesitated, I am now reconsidering. Given the high probability of injury, I want to be prepared.
Great comments, I'm hoping this thread can become a resource for other riders and parents.
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6/20/2020 1:29pm
trexx wrote:
As a current EMT/TR-C I’m seeing some really good information and some not so good... first and foremost if a person in knocked unconscious please do...
As a current EMT/TR-C I’m seeing some really good information and some not so good... first and foremost if a person in knocked unconscious please do not administer a sternal rub as that can cause damage if there happened to be an impact to the chest... instead determine their alertness by using AVPU (Alert, Verbal, Pain, Unresponsive) for pain squeeze their trap HARD and their should be a reaction. Always check for life threatening bleeding first and like above ABC’s... if suspected spinal injury leave them however they are sitting and manually stabilize their head with your hands until medics arrive.
You are correct. I misspoke and didn’t take my time in my response, which I should have. My intent wouldn’t be to necessarily wake them, but to assess their level of consciousness. Sternum rub might be too much. (Last I had to deal with any of this was before I started my biz, 20 years ago...I blame brain damage.)
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6/20/2020 2:27pm
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I did this, A LOT. Many may not know, but before I did this, I worked at a local track in Ft Lauderdale called Pepsi/Air Dania...
I did this, A LOT.
Many may not know, but before I did this, I worked at a local track in Ft Lauderdale called Pepsi/Air Dania, was, in retrospect, an insane track. I won’t say dangerous, but it certainly was sketchy as hell. I was announcer and so much more, and when someone went down, I was the guy dodging bikes and sprinting across the track. Feels like I’d have to do this two or three times a night.

First, MxKing is correct, ABC.

I am not a medical professional, but have had advanced first aid training and I guess now, a ton of on the job training.

After ABC, asses the situation. I always made a point to tell the rider to not move. Could create more damage or issues depending on the situation and injury. I tell the rider to hold still, relax and to take a self assessment. What hurts? Can you wiggle toes? Relax, breathe, assess. Take your time. 9 times out of 10, it seemed that all a rider really needed was to catch their breath and gain their composure. Once we get to that point, and they think they’re ok, I ask them to SLOWLY try and start moving. Take it easy. Then try to get up, also slowly, in case of any missed injury and also in case they become light headed (possible concussion).

Even things like broken arms, collarbones and such, riders can typically get up and walk back to pits or ride in mule once they regain composure. There’s always exceptions to every rule.

If a rider is KTFO, I stay with them and try to protect them from oncoming traffic, while continuing ABC. I try to wake them, knuckle rub to center of chest (if possible) or pinch to side. In these cases, once woken, go very slow, easy to pass back out. I would also tell hem their ride for the day is over (once back to pits)...no one rode after KTFO

When it came to broken legs, I kept them comfortable and waited for EMTs to arrive (practice had none on duty, race day had to have on site). Femurs I would be especially cautious, those can get ugly quick. Take no chances with femurs. I’d wait for EMTs on tib/fib because it didn’t have proper equipment to stabilize it enough to get the rider back to the pits, even on a bumpy mule ride.

With some basic or advanced first aid training and some common sense, much of which you gain hanging around this sport, you can handle most injuries.

Again, I am not a healthcare professional and nothing said here is professional advice. Get some proper training.

But as said....ABC, stabilization, assess....
I have done this a lot as well, with Mx and trail rides I have run, great advice and exactly The process I do as well , I would rather stop races and practices than move someone too quickly
6/20/2020 2:29pm
Falcon wrote:
1- MAKE SURE THE DOWNED RIDER ISN'T IN JEOPARDY OF GETTING RUN OVER. In other words, make sure the flagger is not only flagging, but standing...
1- MAKE SURE THE DOWNED RIDER ISN'T IN JEOPARDY OF GETTING RUN OVER. In other words, make sure the flagger is not only flagging, but standing in a place that prevents riders from jumping, rolling, or falling onto the injured. Get out there yourself if you have to.
2- Proceed with the rest of the above advice to the best of your abilities and no more.
Agree with this as well , the worst thing you can do is pit yourself and the rider in danger from bikes , if your first there and their is no flagger protecting you in a blind situation. Be the flagger first and stop other riders hitting them
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6/20/2020 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2020 3:03pm
I actually married a paramedic so I wouldn’t have to rely on the inexperienced and unprepared to look after me if I ate it but over the years I was first on the scene too many times. One time in particular comes to mind.

I was first on the scene at a crash at the Bithlo, Fl. motocross track. I was first because I was right behind the guy when he took his header. There was a set of big natural whoops leading up to the then famous ‘Mt. Bithlo’ and I was overtaking a much slower rider when he swapped and ate it. As I blew by he wasn’t moving so I slid to a stop and dropped my bike to go to his assistance. He was knocked plumb out but he was breathing and didn’t seem to be distressed. In fact he looked pretty comfortable so I didn’t move him before waving to the flagger to send the EMT.

The EMT arrived shortly on his Mule as the victim was starting to regain consciousness. Soon after a bevy of support arrived on foot.

The EMT got the victim to sit up and then started the usual question and answer session.

“Do you know who you are?”
“Yes, John”.

“Do you know where you are at?”
“Uh, Bithlo?”

“Do you know what day it is?”
“Sunday?”

At this point I had seen enough for my young self to decide he was going to be fine and it was time to get back to riding so I interrupted the EMT and asked the victim, “Do you know who I am?” I had never seen the guy before so I thought a ‘no’ would be the appropriate answer.

He looked at me closely before slowly saying, “I don’t think so”.


I pretended to be worried and said, “I’m your brother. You don’t even know your own brother?”

Poor guy got a really weird look on his face but before he could panic several of the do-gooder onlookers that must have know him yelled out that I wasn’t his brother. As they hastened over to enact some kind of penalty for my misdeed I was already on my bike and starting another lap.

I heard someone yell, “Asshole!” as I sped away and do you know that caught on and has been my nickname ever since.
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I actually married a paramedic so I wouldn’t have to rely on the inexperienced and unprepared to look after me if I ate it but over...
I actually married a paramedic so I wouldn’t have to rely on the inexperienced and unprepared to look after me if I ate it but over the years I was first on the scene too many times. One time in particular comes to mind.

I was first on the scene at a crash at the Bithlo, Fl. motocross track. I was first because I was right behind the guy when he took his header. There was a set of big natural whoops leading up to the then famous ‘Mt. Bithlo’ and I was overtaking a much slower rider when he swapped and ate it. As I blew by he wasn’t moving so I slid to a stop and dropped my bike to go to his assistance. He was knocked plumb out but he was breathing and didn’t seem to be distressed. In fact he looked pretty comfortable so I didn’t move him before waving to the flagger to send the EMT.

The EMT arrived shortly on his Mule as the victim was starting to regain consciousness. Soon after a bevy of support arrived on foot.

The EMT got the victim to sit up and then started the usual question and answer session.

“Do you know who you are?”
“Yes, John”.

“Do you know where you are at?”
“Uh, Bithlo?”

“Do you know what day it is?”
“Sunday?”

At this point I had seen enough for my young self to decide he was going to be fine and it was time to get back to riding so I interrupted the EMT and asked the victim, “Do you know who I am?” I had never seen the guy before so I thought a ‘no’ would be the appropriate answer.

He looked at me closely before slowly saying, “I don’t think so”.


I pretended to be worried and said, “I’m your brother. You don’t even know your own brother?”

Poor guy got a really weird look on his face but before he could panic several of the do-gooder onlookers that must have know him yelled out that I wasn’t his brother. As they hastened over to enact some kind of penalty for my misdeed I was already on my bike and starting another lap.

I heard someone yell, “Asshole!” as I sped away and do you know that caught on and has been my nickname ever since.
What an asshole....trying to do the right thing.
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6/20/2020 3:26pm
I used to do firearms instruction through the NRA and eventually through some good people got hooked up with Dark Angel Medical for some trauma training. I would strongly suggest everyone take some sort of legitimate trauma training and carry a true trauma kit with a tourniquet . As was explained to me and something I echoed to all of my students you are far more likely to use your medical training than you are to use your firearm.

For anyone interested the training is truly worth it and covers everything you need to know for being the first one on scene for anything ranging from a gun shot wound to a car crash or motorcycle accident. The training also includes a trauma kit with everything needed to save a life. It's amazing the lives that could be saved simply by applying a proper tourniquet or chest seal. Some say its expensive but its less than what we pay for a an exhaust. And the thought of never having that sinking feeling of being on a scene of an accident and having no idea what to do.

https://darkangelmedical.com/training/
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Updated my certificate with a class every 5 years for my Captains license. I had to do the heimlick once when my grandmother was visiting and literally bust through my locked bedroom door blue faced as can be choking on some food. I was afraid I was hurting her but out popped the blockage and we became closer than ever since. 96 and still sharp as a tack.
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The very first thing on most EMS protocols is spinal movement restriction (SMR). Followed by stopping any massive bleeding followed by making sure they are breathing...
The very first thing on most EMS protocols is spinal movement restriction (SMR). Followed by stopping any massive bleeding followed by making sure they are breathing and if not to ensure the airway is unobstructed. This might mean having to move them. I was first on scene on a massive motorcycle accident on the street. The guy was hurled at least 30 feet across the road and landed in a ditch upside down. He was unconscious and not breathing. We had to make the decision to move him into a better orientation so that he could breathe and we could perform CPR. In a situation like that you have to put breathing first over any other potential injuries.

If they’re conscious but the legs are wrapped up it’s best to just leave them there until EMS can get there with proper stabilizing equipment. Majorly broken legs can be extraordinarily painful and difficult to manage without proper equipment.

It doesn’t matter what else is wrong with you, if you’re bleeding really bad or not breathing, you’re fucked no matter what. Gotta assess those things first.

Nothing worse than coming up on a kid who is clearly injured and distraught. Those are very difficult situations to manage because you got to get the kid to calm down first.
The first thing is scene safety and protection of the patient and responders. You are no help if you get smashed and now there are two victims.
The rest of the information here is good for a good samaritan. Protect yourself first so you can help.
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6/20/2020 7:23pm
I'll chime in and say as a paramedic myself I only want you to do a couple things.

Ensure their safety. Make sure incoming bikes don't hit the rider. Ensure they have an open airway. Don't move them. Studies show that if they can move themselves to a position of comfort then they are not likely to cause themselves further harm but it should require little to no help from you.

Gather information. From the rider witnesses or friends. Information would include name date of birth emergency contact information was he unconscious? For how long? Allergies? Medical conditions? As a bystander I don't expect you to have all of those answers but the more you have the faster I can move.

Other than that without any equipment all you can do is be calming. Don't say dumb things like everything is going to be OK when you don't know, instead try just talking to them about something to calm them down and take their mind somewhere else. Tell them help is coming and that your going to be with them until it arrives. Ask them what you can do to help them. Things like that.
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6/20/2020 8:30pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2020 8:32pm
A number of years ago, we made some decals to go under a riders helmet visor. It’s purpose was to write the riders name, DOB, and other vital info, including an emergency contact phone number, in the event the rider was injured and incapable of response, like KTFO.

What was not surprising was how many people said it was a great idea (we offered for free)
What was surprising was how many people didn’t want one because they thought it was bad ju ju

It was similar to this..

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6/20/2020 9:08pm
My Old TLD SE2 helmets came with that under the visor. I always meant to put a sticker under my newer helmet visors with that information but always forget.
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6/20/2020 9:23pm
trexx wrote:
As a current EMT/TR-C I’m seeing some really good information and some not so good... first and foremost if a person in knocked unconscious please do...
As a current EMT/TR-C I’m seeing some really good information and some not so good... first and foremost if a person in knocked unconscious please do not administer a sternal rub as that can cause damage if there happened to be an impact to the chest... instead determine their alertness by using AVPU (Alert, Verbal, Pain, Unresponsive) for pain squeeze their trap HARD and their should be a reaction. Always check for life threatening bleeding first and like above ABC’s... if suspected spinal injury leave them however they are sitting and manually stabilize their head with your hands until medics arrive.
EngIceDave wrote:
You are correct. I misspoke and didn’t take my time in my response, which I should have. My intent wouldn’t be to necessarily wake them, but...
You are correct. I misspoke and didn’t take my time in my response, which I should have. My intent wouldn’t be to necessarily wake them, but to assess their level of consciousness. Sternum rub might be too much. (Last I had to deal with any of this was before I started my biz, 20 years ago...I blame brain damage.)
Got ya! We save sternal rubs for our drunk friends that aren’t behaving
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6/20/2020 9:40pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2020 9:41pm
I’ll grab this question and answer it in my column next Friday... great question to ask and important for all of us to know.
Please, before you start going into EMS protocols, preach the safety of getting somewhere to stop traffic. This should really be a two step process, what you should do when you see a crash, and then what to do as far as administering aid to the rider.

Most young racers still aren’t going to know what to do if they had to help their 12 year old friend in a life or death situation, hopefully you’re article helps, but explain the importance of helping them by making sure traffic gets stopped as soon as possible. The more kids that learn this young will make for a safer enviorment for everyone.

On a practice day if you see someone go down hard or just in a bad place, be careful, don’t cause any other accidents by crossing lanes carelessly etc, but go get on the track in the most safe visible place before the accident. Could be 20 feet from the rider could be 200 feet, but safely stop/notify traffic first before worrying about that riders safety. You’re helping them so much more by notifying the other riders than you will be trying to go be by their side in the seconds after.
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6/21/2020 9:03am
Unfortunately at one time in all our moto life, it ends up being one of us laying on the ground.
Three years ago I had my first big accident. Wide open straightaway, bike got headshake, tossed me over the bars followed by a few cartwheels... I laid there in the dirt a little dazed, but still conscious, had the wind knocked out of me and my kidney area was hurting like a bugger. Immediately a huge crowd of people gathered around me all yelling and screaming asking if I was okay (One at a time people, cmon now! Laughing ) and I just needed a second to chill and catch my breath. I told them my kidney area was very sore, and that I was in some real pain. Nobody touched me until the medic showed up and this is where I felt they handled it totally wrong. I was complaining of back pain, my visor flew off, helmet showed signs of cracks on the outside, and it was a 4th wide straight. The medics grabbed me by the arms, and got me to walk to their station (at this point I’m telling them my back REALLY hurts). They sit me down in a lawn chair, pain only getting worse, put me in a neck brace and start touching my spine. They start panicking when they notice the large amount of swelling in my spine area and call an ambulance. They decide to grab me by the arms once again, sit me up in the back or the side by side and have me hold onto the sides of the box while driving me across the bumpy track, all the way through the pits, and to the road to the ambulance. This is when I knew something was very wrong. My spine almost felt “floaty” and I couldn’t keep myself propped up.
Fast forward after the ambulance ride to the hospital they get me some X-Rays... they come and tell me that MY BACK IS BROKEN and to not try moving or walking or standing as that could cause some serious spinal cord damage.
In short, it still scares me how the medics made me walk and propped me up by holding my arms, after such a serious accident. They could have done some serious damage to me on top of the already serious broken spine I had.
Ended up having it fused, two rods and five screws from L1-L3, luckily no spinal cord damage.

I’m glad this thread came up. Everyone could use some info on what to do in the case of an accident.
Stay safe everyone!
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6/21/2020 9:22am
Falcon wrote:
1- MAKE SURE THE DOWNED RIDER ISN'T IN JEOPARDY OF GETTING RUN OVER. In other words, make sure the flagger is not only flagging, but standing...
1- MAKE SURE THE DOWNED RIDER ISN'T IN JEOPARDY OF GETTING RUN OVER. In other words, make sure the flagger is not only flagging, but standing in a place that prevents riders from jumping, rolling, or falling onto the injured. Get out there yourself if you have to.
2- Proceed with the rest of the above advice to the best of your abilities and no more.
GuyB wrote:
Yep. In the cases where I've been around downed riders, I try to make sure the incident doesn't get worse and wait for people with proper...
Yep. In the cases where I've been around downed riders, I try to make sure the incident doesn't get worse and wait for people with proper medical training to get there.

If the bike's on them, I'll wait until I think we're not in jeopardy of making things worse, and help them get untangled. The only exception is if there's an imminent chance of injury from a spinning wheel/sprocket/brake, or they're stuck in a way that may cause burns.
Indeed that is what my brother and I do too. When someone crashes and he's stays down, you say he doesn't have to worry and you help the marshal with signaling so the rider is safe. If the marshal doesn't need help, and nobody of the first responders has seen the crash you get someone of those first medical responders to the scene so they can do their job.

Except the exceptions like mentioned by Guyb.
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6/22/2020 2:03pm
MX Culture wrote:
Same here Dave. I've announced a million local and fair races and usually down with the action and generally the first one to the downed rider...
Same here Dave.
I've announced a million local and fair races and usually down with the action and generally the first one to the downed rider.
My m.o. is to tell them to relax, and that I'm here with them, but I never touch them.
Ask questions like what hurts, where we are, etc, to see and evaluate how they really are.
Sometimes taking their mind off of things with a small conversation helps.
Try to evaluate as best possible and keep them calm. A lot of these guys know me so that helps a little too.
Basically killing time to wait for the (slow) local medics or if the rider is ok, get him up on their feet and off or away from the track.
Most times they are just shocked from hitting the ground.
Anything serious, I tell them the medics are coming and to take deep breaths and remain calm.
Never fun, but it seems like I do it on a weekly basis.
DD

EngIceDave wrote:
Exactly. Same here. Most all knew me as well, they had to listen to my shit on the microphone all the damn day/night, so I was...
Exactly. Same here.
Most all knew me as well, they had to listen to my shit on the microphone all the damn day/night, so I was a familiar voice or person, and I agree, that helps to calm them and even the parents/friend/significant other.

I have to admit, there were times I’d reach a guy, go through initial motions and then ask “dude, what we’re you thinking? That was pretty stupid”

Usually lightened the situation and got their mind off any injury or shock, and they’d be ready to get going after a little laugh.

Knew a guy who cased this MASSIVE blind triple we had, broke both legs.
The very night he came back, like 8 weeks later, that night, he did same crash again...I was standing there and saw his legs snap....ran up and said, “Dude, are you fucking stupid?”

He said “I guess so”
First thing I do is check to make sure the guy isn't a wooly mammoth and he didn't crash on a single to table.........
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6/23/2020 8:32pm
I’ll grab this question and answer it in my column next Friday... great question to ask and important for all of us to know.
Chopin wrote:
I'm looking forward to your column and thanks for giving it the coverage it needs. As a follow-up question, what are some precautions that we as...
I'm looking forward to your column and thanks for giving it the coverage it needs.

As a follow-up question, what are some precautions that we as participants can/should be taking to mitigate the financial impact of a trip to the hospital? Apart from buying the best health insurance, are the subscription-based emergency air transport services worth it? Is there an equivalent that covers ground transport? What are the medical supplies to have with you at the track? What's a proper crash kit contain? (particularly for treating kids)
I've often considered a SPOT locater and a REACH air subscription for myself but hesitated, I am now reconsidering. Given the high probability of injury, I want to be prepared.
Great comments, I'm hoping this thread can become a resource for other riders and parents.
There is so much to that answer... we covered it all in the safety episode of the Whiskey Throttle Show with Doctor Bodnar and Eddie Casillas. Have a listen if you get a chance... so much good stuff in there, including answers to all those questions.
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Great conversation. Needs to be covered. Glad we got Fireman Pingree on this as well. Smile

The worst of all time is this happening in the woods at a Harescramble or an enduro far from any quick help. I like to volunteer at checkpoints and had a bad one with a compound fracture. It felt like a week for the EMT to get there and it was only 20 minutes.
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EngIceDave wrote:
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dave has this process continued? or?

I like this idea a ton, and well this would be a great addition to things done today.


I never seen this before.


tons of good information in here, doing race events for jsut at 30 years racing personally 46.

My thoughts are much like others here.

1. make sure rider is not being further hurt by oncoming riders not seeing, maybe help the flagger if there is need..
2. never ever move the rider unless like said danger from burns or chain, spinning wheels etc. then that is only extreme cases.
3. comfort the rider but mainly pay attention to what you see. When the EMT's get there they will need to know what you just seen. It will help them.
4. Once they are on the scene, step back, let them have the room they need to do their job.

I would also suggest that no track ever runs with out every flagger every time having radio communication with a race event person who is responsible to over seeing the event. This means, there is a person, who watches every race, every rider, as much as possible. They co-ordinate flagging and EMT's. So when this happens, the flagger is flagging and calling for assistance. Then the only time wasted in this process is the speed and ability for the EMT's to get to the rider who is down. it's our process. At our events myself or my sons are "watching". sometimes more then one person. It helps when you can see things that might go wrong and work to fix them before it bites ya in the butt.

great topic by the way.
6/26/2020 9:52am
This may have already been covered but ensure that someone goes to the track entrance to escort emergency response.
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6/26/2020 10:33am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2020 10:35am
This is what we made. I had them made shortly after RC16's (booooo) accident.

Long story short, he crashed jumping a small single to table that pee-wee's were doing, got fucked up and KTFO. His son, who I believe was 5 at the time, was there with him and no one knew who to call in order to help out.

That's how I came up with this idea.

If interest had kept up, I'd have kept giving them away, for free.

Gave away a few hundred, but then interest faded and it seemed to spook others...bad juju

I'd make them again if I believed there was interest. I got some help on what was needed on it, and we printed it on a backing that was textured and easy to write on, could even be done with a ballpoint pen.

I'd always hoped the helmet mfgrs would've adopted it and included them with every helmet sold. A few other companies copied it for a while, and it was one of the few things (only thing?) that I was glad to see copied.


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Falcon
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Got one of those with my TLD mountain bike helmet. It's good info to have under there.
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Falcon wrote:
Got one of those with my TLD mountain bike helmet. It's good info to have under there.
Yeah, I think they're the only company that started doing it

I don't care if I was a part of it or not, I probably wasn't, it's just a good idea and glad someone is doing it

Have you ever wondered why people don't wear bicycle helmets on jet skis? People do crash jet skis, but also, being made of foam, they'd keep your head out of or above water. Sure you could mold one where it would keep your face out of the water....

As George Carlin said "These are the kinds of things I think about when the power goes out"
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7/26/2020 5:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/26/2020 5:52pm
Opinions on actual scenario : I and a couple other guys were out in the desert outside of Vegas building some sketchy powdery kickers. All was well trying them out, when suddenly the one guy lost his front end in the air ( bottom of front tire about 8-10' up) and came down hard face first. I was standing with my shovel and ran up immediately. He wasn't moving and was out. The landing was over a blind hill. As I got up to him, his buddy was mid air ready to t-bone this kid on the ground. Fortunately, he dumped it and came within an inch of wheel to the back. Another guy who's a p.a ran over and insisted we had to roll him onto his back which I strongly disagreed with, telling him what i saw, but he insisted so we did.

The kid came to after a few minutes, and turned out to have a severe concussion. Was this protocol? Is lying on the side worse than being on the back? Helmet removal recommended?

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