Roczen Observation

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6/3/2020 8:33am
kiwifan wrote:
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem...
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem that he had an issue with mapping (like quite a few other riders did). Would you rather he wasnt interviewed at all?
kpiper wrote:
No, not saying that. But do you really think that if Honda had his mapping better he would have beaten Eli and Webb?

I don't.
kiwifan wrote:
I have no idea if the mapping would of made a difference, but you thought it was an 'excuse'
Kenny tossed it out there as an excuse for why he did not win. He just got more tired than Eli and CW did. That is what happened.

Plus, Eli is faster than Kenny on the majority of tracks. He has proven that many times. Kenny has a hard time saying that fact.

What I am interested in though is this next race. Will Kenny's almost big crash be in his head? What do you think?
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6/3/2020 4:17pm
kpiper wrote:
No, not saying that. But do you really think that if Honda had his mapping better he would have beaten Eli and Webb?

I don't.
kiwifan wrote:
I have no idea if the mapping would of made a difference, but you thought it was an 'excuse'
kpiper wrote:
Kenny tossed it out there as an excuse for why he did not win. He just got more tired than Eli and CW did. That is...
Kenny tossed it out there as an excuse for why he did not win. He just got more tired than Eli and CW did. That is what happened.

Plus, Eli is faster than Kenny on the majority of tracks. He has proven that many times. Kenny has a hard time saying that fact.

What I am interested in though is this next race. Will Kenny's almost big crash be in his head? What do you think?
He got asked a question, he gave a reply, you interpreted that as an excuse....let's be clear there

What rider admits another rider is faster on some tracks? Why would you expect him to say that, does Eli say Kenny is fast on tracks he is not fast on???

No idea, I doubt it though.
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6/3/2020 9:54pm
Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for the win but couldn't get enough oxygen into the lungs.
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6/3/2020 10:57pm
trsixy wrote:
Have always thought they should have a minimum weight rule. Drawf like riders have a definite advantage
Snow Webb and the Seven Drawfs.
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Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for...
Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for the win but couldn't get enough oxygen into the lungs.
Yeah I can’t see Tomac losing the overall now.
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Lost your sense of humor?
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Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for...
Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for the win but couldn't get enough oxygen into the lungs.
And muscles. I think people forget sometimes that it isn’t just the altitude, but the temperature, barometric pressure, and humidity that are factors too.
For example 4000 feet with high temperature and low barometric pressure are are going to make the engines and riders bodies perform as though they are at a considerably higher altitude. Also, throw some humidity in there and it gets worse, not Much to worry about as far as humidity is concerned in Utah though.

It’s kind of like carburetor jetting, if you are at 5000 feet and just setting it up for that altitude you’re going to get it wrong a lot, if the atmospheric conditions are the same as they were when you found the magic combo it’ll be great, if they’re not you could be missing it by thousands of feet due to air density differences.

Our bodies are the same, they need time to rest and recover, these riders are all in pretty damn good shape, but not all of them are acclimated fully to the altitude they’re performaing at right now, rest and recovery are key.
6/4/2020 9:19am
trsixy wrote:
Have always thought they should have a minimum weight rule. Drawf like riders have a definite advantage
Then we're NASCAR. I'd rather watch paint dry then watch NASCAR.

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6/4/2020 9:27am
Oof, sure looked like a large parachute was thrown from Kenny. I am hoping he wins the title, but at this point it sure looks bleak. Tomac is riding great and handling the pressure well.
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He was flying until the 10 minute mark. It's been a long time since his major injuries, so I am curious if any aspect of his issue last night was mental? It might be the case that, when he's not feeling 100 percent, like like night at elevation after little time to recover from Sunday, he backs it off a bit because he is afraid of getting hurt again, whereas other riders push through and take bigger risks than Kenny is willing to take anymore.

Part of it is Eli being a freak of nature / used to the elevation, making everyone else look bad.
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beamer wrote:
His left arm was the injured one, so.................
Didn't read the whole thread; but, I'm guessing he became fairly ambidextrous during all that time he was trying to "keep" his right hand.

Or, maybe he's just a lefty?Laughing

No matter. I'm guesing that as he get's more acclimated he'll have more energy toward the end of the main.
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Kenny was destroying Eli in the whoops and then 5 or so laps in that stopped and he lost 20 seconds. He either got tired, arm pump, or something else related to his body. The mapping was the same in the first 5 laps so thats irrelevant. These guys are not robots and it was just not a great race for him. Simple as that.
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6/4/2020 10:44am
I remember thinking while watching his heat race lead grow and grow: back it down and save some energy for the main. He obviously didn't get my long distance, telepathic pitboard message.
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6/4/2020 11:21am
beamer wrote:
His left arm was the injured one, so.................
TeamGreen wrote:
Didn't read the whole thread; but, I'm guessing he became fairly ambidextrous during all that time he was trying to "keep" his right hand. Or, maybe...
Didn't read the whole thread; but, I'm guessing he became fairly ambidextrous during all that time he was trying to "keep" his right hand.

Or, maybe he's just a lefty?Laughing

No matter. I'm guesing that as he get's more acclimated he'll have more energy toward the end of the main.
I actually thought he would be better off last night. Sunday was in the heat of the day and last night shoulda been easier heat wise.

I think the 3 days was rough on him, but no disrespect from me, I can’t believe he rides a bike at all now. He May get worse as we go if it is his arms, I have a feeling he knows what it’s gonna be like next week.
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6/4/2020 6:15pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
Webb is 3 feet tall and weighs 110 pounds
OLDMOTO wrote:
Come on now, Webb is at least 3 1/2 feet tall.
trsixy wrote:
Have always thought they should have a minimum weight rule. Drawf like riders have a definite advantage
Ya, Webb was killing it in the whoops with those long legs.....lol
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6/4/2020 6:32pm
There will always be a asterisk on this season
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6/4/2020 7:09pm
He was going through the whoops faster than anyone since Reed in his prime. That was fun to watch, then he probably got arm pump in his jacked arm. Just my guess.
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6/4/2020 9:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2020 10:15pm
bigk218 wrote:
There will always be a asterisk on this season
Don’t know what’s worse..
Your comment, or “a asterisk”
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6/4/2020 9:43pm
gnarwhip wrote:
He was going through the whoops faster than anyone since Reed in his prime. That was fun to watch, then he probably got arm pump in...
He was going through the whoops faster than anyone since Reed in his prime. That was fun to watch, then he probably got arm pump in his jacked arm. Just my guess.
His whoop speed was amazing but Mookie his level was even better then Roczen.
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6/4/2020 11:29pm
He will get better as his body adjusts to the altitude. SLC is at 4,000+ feet. So will a bunch of other riders. Not a Webb fan but that dude can race a f*cking dirtbike.
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6/5/2020 2:25am
Ever thought that we have already seen the best of Roczen?
He was what 15 when he turned pro? He’s been at it for more than 10yrs now and if you go by MC2 theory racers only have about 10 yrs in them at the top of the field.
He’s been hard at this for a long time. I’d say his clock is slowing down (which is still ludicrously fast) and the battery’s are no longer available.
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6/5/2020 2:57am
gnarwhip wrote:
He was going through the whoops faster than anyone since Reed in his prime. That was fun to watch, then he probably got arm pump in...
He was going through the whoops faster than anyone since Reed in his prime. That was fun to watch, then he probably got arm pump in his jacked arm. Just my guess.
Agreed, At last some logic applied to the myth. I am going to be very honest which entails being cruel. Kenny is damaged but let’s not hope beyond repair. He has had to adapt his riding to suit his wrist and maybe that is contributing more arm pump. He’s a shadow of the rider he was pre 17 and we might not see that guy again. We see glimpses but that’s it. It’s a pity because at some stage Tomac is gonna Tomac but KR just can’t get his mojo working for full motos so he can take advantage. My two cents
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He will get better as his body adjusts to the altitude. SLC is at 4,000+ feet. So will a bunch of other riders. Not a Webb...
He will get better as his body adjusts to the altitude. SLC is at 4,000+ feet. So will a bunch of other riders. Not a Webb fan but that dude can race a f*cking dirtbike.
Agreed on Webb I wouldn’t be a big fan but credit where it’s due. His performance after that back slapper weekend Suggest he’s a tough little Sh.t and he is taking the fight to ET3 who is great form and has varying factors working in his favour. Webb has all the markings of a champion as much as that pains me to say
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/06/05/431199/s1200_Screenshot_20200605_123421_2.jpg[/img]

That's awesome!
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He will get better as his body adjusts to the altitude. SLC is at 4,000+ feet. So will a bunch of other riders. Not a Webb...
He will get better as his body adjusts to the altitude. SLC is at 4,000+ feet. So will a bunch of other riders. Not a Webb fan but that dude can race a f*cking dirtbike.
Congrats to the Roczens!

I do have to wonder though, if Ken will be the one effected the most by the current racing situation (altitude, shortened rest, etc.).

It sure seemed like Wednesday evening he had, what about 25-30 laps at top speed, in him.

Will he get better, stay the same or get worse?

We all know what happens for him in the heat & humidity of summer MX - limited # of fast laps then survive. And this doesn't get better until the conditions (heat/humidity) go away.

I want to see KR get that SX championship before he is done, but this year at least, I don't think his body is going to cooperate.
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6/5/2020 6:18am
If you check out the lap times, Kenny ran a 45 and 46s through the first 10 laps. He dropped to 47s from 11-18, and 48s from 19-27. He clearly hit a wall.

Cooper ran 46s the entire race with only a single 47 on lap 18. He hit his marks all night.

Eli ran five 45s laps, but also three 47 and a 48s lap with the rest being 46s. Eli ran one of his 45s laps on lap 25.

That tells the story in my mind.
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6/5/2020 8:02am
Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for...
Kenny was very fast tonight, until he hit a wall. That's got to be so deflating knowing he had the setup and speed to battle for the win but couldn't get enough oxygen into the lungs.
wrc777 wrote:
Yeah I can’t see Tomac losing the overall now.
With apparently a lot of rain coming this weekend anything can still happen.
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6/5/2020 8:08am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2020 8:10am
I’m just hoping Kenny can keep it together in the top three and stay healthy.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/06/05/431199/s1200_Screenshot_20200605_123421_2.jpg[/img]

That's awesome!
Agreed , awesome. But according to some on vital its a distraction .
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