Cooper Webb post about going racing May 15th

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j_leavy wrote:
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422591/s1200_IMG_6331.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422593/s1200_IMG_6333.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422592/s1200_IMG_6332.jpg[/img]
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is


davis224 wrote:
Well there we go, no more speculating.
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The world will have to open up before the virus is gone." As uncomfortable as that fact may make some people it's the reality of it. It needs to be done safely and I'm not the guy to make that call but you can't stay inside and hope it just dies off. It will most likely never die off and people will continue to die from it even after a vaccine. At some point, whenever that is, life has to go on. Nobody can force Ken to race if he doesn't feel safe but a series also cannot stop because one of its stars doesn't want to participate.
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Let’s go racing. Kenny can watch with the rest of us if he wants too
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4/24/2020 8:45am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2020 9:13am
FlaNard wrote:
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The...
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The world will have to open up before the virus is gone." As uncomfortable as that fact may make some people it's the reality of it. It needs to be done safely and I'm not the guy to make that call but you can't stay inside and hope it just dies off. It will most likely never die off and people will continue to die from it even after a vaccine. At some point, whenever that is, life has to go on. Nobody can force Ken to race if he doesn't feel safe but a series also cannot stop because one of its stars doesn't want to participate.
I agree completely. I know people don’t like to hear it but I’m growing tired of the “Even one life is too much!” rederick. Of course every life is precious but at some point we need to take a realistic approach and understand likely the majority of the population is going to or has already came in contact with someone who has the virus and unfortunately some people are going to die... Live a healthy lifestyle and be as clean and smart as possible and get your flu shots when they become available.

And to expand on this, I’m not saying the way we handled this was overblown or anything like that. We were caught off guard and got hit with an unknown. Quarantining the entire country was an extreme measure but basically our only way to quickly slow the spreading of this unknown virus that was quickly taking people’s life’s. A nationwide quarantine is a band-aid fix to slow the spread and buy us time to learn about this virus and how to combat it. it is not a sustainable method. I would think two months of quarantine should give the powers that be enough time to gather enough data to move forward with reopening the country. We are lucky that this wasn’t something as contagious as it is but as dangerous as something like Ebola. Hopefully we can learn from this and not get caught with our pants down again because things could be a lot more grim.
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4/24/2020 9:02am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2020 9:03am
If Kenny not wanna race and makes this thing questionable with his team, do they still think they will get a chance to race at September/October?

The virus will still be there because this is not something that goes away with a few weeks or months.

Will he skip or complain about outdoors to?

If he not wanne do this, lets call it a season and give Tomac his #1 plate and see what 2021 SX brings.



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DonM wrote:
I’m thinking it’s a certain team manager that doesn’t allow his riders to race the MXDN....
This is what I feel too.

It’s in Kawasaki’s interest to delay proceedings as long as possible in the hope that it will all just be ended with no more races.

Kawasaki have the points lead to lose.
Honda have nothing to lose.
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j_leavy wrote:
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422591/s1200_IMG_6331.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422593/s1200_IMG_6333.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422592/s1200_IMG_6332.jpg[/img]
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is


davis224 wrote:
Well there we go, no more speculating.
FlaNard wrote:
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The...
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The world will have to open up before the virus is gone." As uncomfortable as that fact may make some people it's the reality of it. It needs to be done safely and I'm not the guy to make that call but you can't stay inside and hope it just dies off. It will most likely never die off and people will continue to die from it even after a vaccine. At some point, whenever that is, life has to go on. Nobody can force Ken to race if he doesn't feel safe but a series also cannot stop because one of its stars doesn't want to participate.
Yes, I agree we can't just wait inside for 1.5 years to wait for a vaccine, but remember the entire point of "flattening the curve" is to not overwhelm the hospitals, since we have seen how fast it can get overwhelming in other places that did nothing to stop it. A little more pain now in waiting however much longer can potentially save us a much bigger setback later on.

Now, where and when places can start easing back into normalcy, I don't know. I'm just trying to remain patient and listen to the people who study things like this for a living. I'll do my job and let them do theirs.
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Clearly things can go haywire fast. China had no new cases for a few weeks and now, apparently not. City of 10 million going back into lockdown. We need to figure out how to live with the virus as much as possible, but ‘getting back to it’ before we really understand how to do that without re-triggering new lockdowns doesn’t seem helpful. It’s really a question of: Is it better to resume normal life when we don’t have control of this thing and will likely have to go back into lockdown sporadically, oscillating between the two extremes, or to keep things tamped down and use the ‘locked down’ time to come up with better measures to enable life to resume more effectively and safely, hopefully for good. It’s a tough call because we seem to suck pretty bad at doing anything productive with this ‘lockdown’ time to actually make things better for the future.
https://twitter.com/firstsquawk/status/1253521499920592896?s=21
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I like this take:
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/how-things-are-in-a-few-short-words.html

Basically, no one knows what the right thing to do is yet. It’s obnoxious that everyone thinks they know what is best when clearly we can’t say. Not a very helpful take, but it’s the only one that isn’t bullshit.
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tjnel wrote:
Clearly things can go haywire fast. China had no new cases for a few weeks and now, apparently not. City of 10 million going back into...
Clearly things can go haywire fast. China had no new cases for a few weeks and now, apparently not. City of 10 million going back into lockdown. We need to figure out how to live with the virus as much as possible, but ‘getting back to it’ before we really understand how to do that without re-triggering new lockdowns doesn’t seem helpful. It’s really a question of: Is it better to resume normal life when we don’t have control of this thing and will likely have to go back into lockdown sporadically, oscillating between the two extremes, or to keep things tamped down and use the ‘locked down’ time to come up with better measures to enable life to resume more effectively and safely, hopefully for good. It’s a tough call because we seem to suck pretty bad at doing anything productive with this ‘lockdown’ time to actually make things better for the future.
https://twitter.com/firstsquawk/status/1253521499920592896?s=21
This is the 2nd time I have heard about China going back into lockdown. Do you have another source for this other than twitter or social media? I can't find evidence of this on any major news network (either side).

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4/24/2020 9:58am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2020 9:59am
tjnel wrote:
I like this take: [url=https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/how-things-are-in-a-few-short-words.html]https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/how-things-are-in-a-few-short-words.html[/url] Basically, no one knows what the right thing to do is yet. It’s obnoxious that everyone thinks they know what is...
I like this take:
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/04/how-things-are-in-a-few-short-words.html

Basically, no one knows what the right thing to do is yet. It’s obnoxious that everyone thinks they know what is best when clearly we can’t say. Not a very helpful take, but it’s the only one that isn’t bullshit.
Basically, no one knows what the right thing to do is yet. It’s obnoxious that everyone thinks they know what is best when clearly we can’t say.

You hit the nail on the head IMO. When it comes down to it, nobody can know for sure. Will these efforts make an enormous improvement in our ability to understand the virus and save lives? If so, it's a no brainier to extend the restrictions in place for a while longer. On the flip-side, what if it would greatly harm the local and global economy for decades to come while only improving our knowledge of the virus by say something like 5% and really only delays the inevitable spike in deaths that has to happen with a vaccine so far away? Literally nobody can say with any real confidence. It isn't a black and white thing. I see so many people debating can we open up a beach, can we open up a motocross track, whatever and is it irresponsible? Here in Utah, those things never closed. I take the kids hiking and fishing multiple times a week after work. People are outdoors everywhere. Tracks stayed open. Most parks stayed open. We haven't seen spikes at all from this. Does it mean a place like Portland would have the same outcome? I have no idea.
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Hate to see Ken buying into the fake news like so many others. They're doing a great job of creating this fear. The virus is here. Social distancing and shutting things down is not going to get rid of it. More reports coming out daily showing that it's no more fatal than the flu. It's time to get back to our lives and let this thing run its course. If you are concerned, stay home but let the rest of us go about our business. This whole thing has been completely overblown.
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j_leavy wrote:
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422591/s1200_IMG_6331.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422593/s1200_IMG_6333.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422592/s1200_IMG_6332.jpg[/img]
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is


davis224 wrote:
Well there we go, no more speculating.
Ken says he "gets the economy and work side of things why people want to go back to work", but I don't think he does.

He's a multi-millionaire with a secure contract and likely several years of racing yet. It's likely that he could never line up for another race again and live out his life very comfortably. There's a few others in the same boat (Tomac, Webb, Musquin, etc.) but 90% of the field depends on racing salary to pay the bills. Not bank money...just to pay the bills and live!

I get what point Ken is trying to make, but IMO, his wealth and security that he has built up over the years gives him a biased perspective.
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tjnel wrote:
Clearly things can go haywire fast. China had no new cases for a few weeks and now, apparently not. City of 10 million going back into...
Clearly things can go haywire fast. China had no new cases for a few weeks and now, apparently not. City of 10 million going back into lockdown. We need to figure out how to live with the virus as much as possible, but ‘getting back to it’ before we really understand how to do that without re-triggering new lockdowns doesn’t seem helpful. It’s really a question of: Is it better to resume normal life when we don’t have control of this thing and will likely have to go back into lockdown sporadically, oscillating between the two extremes, or to keep things tamped down and use the ‘locked down’ time to come up with better measures to enable life to resume more effectively and safely, hopefully for good. It’s a tough call because we seem to suck pretty bad at doing anything productive with this ‘lockdown’ time to actually make things better for the future.
https://twitter.com/firstsquawk/status/1253521499920592896?s=21
JeepnMike wrote:
This is the 2nd time I have heard about China going back into lockdown. Do you have another source for this other than twitter or social...
This is the 2nd time I have heard about China going back into lockdown. Do you have another source for this other than twitter or social media? I can't find evidence of this on any major news network (either side).

No, that’s the only source I’ve seen about that. Granted, it could be BS. I should take my own advice and not take that as a certainty until there’s been further verification.
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Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The...
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The world will have to open up before the virus is gone." As uncomfortable as that fact may make some people it's the reality of it. It needs to be done safely and I'm not the guy to make that call but you can't stay inside and hope it just dies off. It will most likely never die off and people will continue to die from it even after a vaccine. At some point, whenever that is, life has to go on. Nobody can force Ken to race if he doesn't feel safe but a series also cannot stop because one of its stars doesn't want to participate.
I agree. That's the thing is the virus isn't just going to go away. People will die from it for a long long time. Vaccine or not. And I feel for Kenny but dude if the AMA says it is time to go racing, it's time to go racing. Like you said, if he isn't up for it he doesn't have to line up. Top riders have sat out from being sick many of times and the races still go on. I hope he decides to line up whenever it happens but if not then I hope they continue without him.

And it is coming out now that the death count number is being inflated. Listen to what the Illinois Department of Public health said last week on how the COVID deaths are being classified. He needs to do more research than just posting recorded numbers if he really wants to come to a decision of whether or not he wants to go.

This is just the first result of the press conference that popped up. I do not know the usual credibility of this site.

Illinios Department of Public Health Director Explains Covid Deaths
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j_leavy wrote:
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422591/s1200_IMG_6331.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422593/s1200_IMG_6333.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/24/422592/s1200_IMG_6332.jpg[/img]
From Ken this am for those who don't have instagram. Seems pretty clear what his feeling is


davis224 wrote:
Well there we go, no more speculating.
mxtech1 wrote:
Ken says he "gets the economy and work side of things why people want to go back to work", but I don't think he does. He's...
Ken says he "gets the economy and work side of things why people want to go back to work", but I don't think he does.

He's a multi-millionaire with a secure contract and likely several years of racing yet. It's likely that he could never line up for another race again and live out his life very comfortably. There's a few others in the same boat (Tomac, Webb, Musquin, etc.) but 90% of the field depends on racing salary to pay the bills. Not bank money...just to pay the bills and live!

I get what point Ken is trying to make, but IMO, his wealth and security that he has built up over the years gives him a biased perspective.
This is true, but we all want to see some racing! Everyone involved in this is biased in some way. And why shouldn’t we be, it has a direct impact on all of us. I mean, if you think about it, this idea of a 7 race blitz for the championship, all in 3 weeks, is freaking awesome. If this were going down outside of a pandemic state we’d probably all be salivating over this plan. The idea that we Vital members can unbiasedly comment on this plan is crazy.
4/24/2020 11:13am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2020 11:20am
This is what I feel too. It’s in Kawasaki’s interest to delay proceedings as long as possible in the hope that it will all just be...
This is what I feel too.

It’s in Kawasaki’s interest to delay proceedings as long as possible in the hope that it will all just be ended with no more races.

Kawasaki have the points lead to lose.
Honda have nothing to lose.
They have the risk of a PR nightmare if they contribute to a COVID-19 spike. They also have the liability of employees getting sick and/or dying from being forced back to work too soon. The Japanese companies (especially Honda and Suzuki) are huge companies and probably don’t want to risk having an even bigger bullseye on their back for litigators.
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4/24/2020 11:27am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2020 11:28am
DonM wrote:
I’m thinking it’s a certain team manager that doesn’t allow his riders to race the MXDN....
This is what I feel too. It’s in Kawasaki’s interest to delay proceedings as long as possible in the hope that it will all just be...
This is what I feel too.

It’s in Kawasaki’s interest to delay proceedings as long as possible in the hope that it will all just be ended with no more races.

Kawasaki have the points lead to lose.
Honda have nothing to lose.
Disagree. Seems it’s pretty clear based on some Instagram posts on the previous page which camp might have an issue with getting back to racing. Funny enough it’s the camp that you claim “has nothing to lose”.
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I’ve never been a big fan of Webb, his mouth running over the years always rubbed me the wrong way. However, between his mental toughness, racecraft...
I’ve never been a big fan of Webb, his mouth running over the years always rubbed me the wrong way. However, between his mental toughness, racecraft, and posts like above I keep inching closer to the wagon
I feel the same exact way
Glad to see some of you guys coming around as far as liking Cooper.
The kid is a Racers racer and that's something I'll always admire about him, never gives up and just wants to race no matter if he's sick, battered and bruised or just not feeling it--he will battle all the way to the end.
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tjnel wrote:
This is true, but we all want to see some racing! Everyone involved in this is biased in some way. And why shouldn’t we be, it...
This is true, but we all want to see some racing! Everyone involved in this is biased in some way. And why shouldn’t we be, it has a direct impact on all of us. I mean, if you think about it, this idea of a 7 race blitz for the championship, all in 3 weeks, is freaking awesome. If this were going down outside of a pandemic state we’d probably all be salivating over this plan. The idea that we Vital members can unbiasedly comment on this plan is crazy.
Why is it awesome though? I don't see it. Of course I would like to watch racing again, but at this point it's all about Feld trying to minimize lost profit in anyway possible.

The racers already complain that the season is too long and the schedule is demanding. But now 7 races in 3 weeks is a good thing?
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Putting aside my desire to watch SX racing again, the 'right' thing to do is call the 2020 SX season complete at 10 races and move on to the Nationals running those races when it makes sense.

If they do decide to run more SX races they need to make a 'rule' that Eli and Kenny are not tested and are guaranteed to be allowed to run all the races. Yes, even if they appear sick.

How lousy would it be if one of those two caught a 'cold' and was told by the AMA they had to sit out a race? Pretty lousy.
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[u][b]***I am just a fan with no "inside" knowledge***[/b][/u] If you read between the lines; this is a direct shot at Roczen. If this happens middle...
***I am just a fan with no "inside" knowledge***

If you read between the lines; this is a direct shot at Roczen. If this happens middle of May, I widely assume that there will be some "BIG" names that will not be racing. I hope I am wrong, but I just do not see certain riders lining up for this. This will make the 1995 Las Vegas "lights out" round look like kids stuff. I want racing back; heck I want normalcy back as much as anybody. However, if certain "BIG' names riders don't line up to race middle of May, I hope FELD doesn't go through with this for several reasons. One, it will cause one of the biggest crap fests this sport has ever seen. Two, it will automatically discredit whomever is crowned champion due to not having everyone on the gate. In a perfect world, I would love to see all of this come to fruition. However, there are just two many variables in place for this plan to work.
For all 27 of y’all that disliked my post.. KISS MY ASS! I was correct!
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kpiper wrote:
Putting aside my desire to watch SX racing again, the 'right' thing to do is call the 2020 SX season complete at 10 races and move...
Putting aside my desire to watch SX racing again, the 'right' thing to do is call the 2020 SX season complete at 10 races and move on to the Nationals running those races when it makes sense.

If they do decide to run more SX races they need to make a 'rule' that Eli and Kenny are not tested and are guaranteed to be allowed to run all the races. Yes, even if they appear sick.

How lousy would it be if one of those two caught a 'cold' and was told by the AMA they had to sit out a race? Pretty lousy.
This is a good point. If you’re going to have it count towards the championship, you can’t force riders to sit out if they have a temperature. That’s ludicrous. No wonder Cooper wants to go for it while Ken, and maybe Eli, don’t. Relatively speaking he has nothing to lose and they have everything to lose, with more of the downside risks being due to factors outside of their control than is typically the case. It’s certainly not what anyone signed up for at the start of the series. What deserves a bigger asterisk - a 10 round series or a series won by someone because riders were held out of competition due to their temperature?
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Hate to see Ken buying into the fake news like so many others. They're doing a great job of creating this fear. The virus is here...
Hate to see Ken buying into the fake news like so many others. They're doing a great job of creating this fear. The virus is here. Social distancing and shutting things down is not going to get rid of it. More reports coming out daily showing that it's no more fatal than the flu. It's time to get back to our lives and let this thing run its course. If you are concerned, stay home but let the rest of us go about our business. This whole thing has been completely overblown.
50,000 people died with us quarantining for almost 2 months. it will kill way more people then the flu this year while doing everything to help curtail it, and we had a bad flu season.

i swear the dumbest comments always come from texas.
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Have lysol sponsor the series so the riders drink lysol since its better at killing the rona than monster energy drink.
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Dr *45 solved this whole pandemic yesterday. Inject disinfectant and shove a big light inside and lets go racing!!!!!! I mean today it was a joke just to see what the “media” would do with it. Oh mannnn!!!!! Zinger!!!!! He is so funny hahahahahaha!!!!!! Have his Vital minions started their treatments yet?
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Someone please photoshop a picture or Kenny with a can of lysol
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mxtech1 wrote:
Ken says he "gets the economy and work side of things why people want to go back to work", but I don't think he does. He's...
Ken says he "gets the economy and work side of things why people want to go back to work", but I don't think he does.

He's a multi-millionaire with a secure contract and likely several years of racing yet. It's likely that he could never line up for another race again and live out his life very comfortably. There's a few others in the same boat (Tomac, Webb, Musquin, etc.) but 90% of the field depends on racing salary to pay the bills. Not bank money...just to pay the bills and live!

I get what point Ken is trying to make, but IMO, his wealth and security that he has built up over the years gives him a biased perspective.
Or maybe after everything Roczen has been through he has a higher regard for public health and humanity.
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Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The...
Yep. Not that I think it was that hard to figure out. I don't blame Ken, but like our Mayor (Salt Lake City) said today, "The world will have to open up before the virus is gone." As uncomfortable as that fact may make some people it's the reality of it. It needs to be done safely and I'm not the guy to make that call but you can't stay inside and hope it just dies off. It will most likely never die off and people will continue to die from it even after a vaccine. At some point, whenever that is, life has to go on. Nobody can force Ken to race if he doesn't feel safe but a series also cannot stop because one of its stars doesn't want to participate.
aeffertz wrote:
I agree completely. I know people don’t like to hear it but I’m growing tired of the “Even one life is too much!” rederick. Of course...
I agree completely. I know people don’t like to hear it but I’m growing tired of the “Even one life is too much!” rederick. Of course every life is precious but at some point we need to take a realistic approach and understand likely the majority of the population is going to or has already came in contact with someone who has the virus and unfortunately some people are going to die... Live a healthy lifestyle and be as clean and smart as possible and get your flu shots when they become available.

And to expand on this, I’m not saying the way we handled this was overblown or anything like that. We were caught off guard and got hit with an unknown. Quarantining the entire country was an extreme measure but basically our only way to quickly slow the spreading of this unknown virus that was quickly taking people’s life’s. A nationwide quarantine is a band-aid fix to slow the spread and buy us time to learn about this virus and how to combat it. it is not a sustainable method. I would think two months of quarantine should give the powers that be enough time to gather enough data to move forward with reopening the country. We are lucky that this wasn’t something as contagious as it is but as dangerous as something like Ebola. Hopefully we can learn from this and not get caught with our pants down again because things could be a lot more grim.
The greater point in all of this was not to buy time to learn about the virus, but to slow down the spread to allow healthcare systems to not be overwhelmed. We are a long way from being through this pandemic, and any opening of the economy has to be done with a plan to minimize spread. Masks, distancing, shifted hours, whatever measures, these are going to be with us for a while. We don't get to miraculously go back to life as it was in February.

And super infectious diseases like Ebola are actually less of a fear, because it is easier to isolate the sick. Even SARS 2003, it was easier to know who was sick because they were very sick. This allowed easier isolation and ultimate stopped the spread. COVID19 is a much better combo of being contagious (easy spread) and infectious (causing morbidity and mortality).
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If the administration took action early instead of calling it a hoax we would have been done with this in March. instead here we are, numbers still climbing and now they're talking about injecting Lysol. I don't expect this shit storm to be over for months. At least we can still go ride I guess!
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