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That article was the most recent comparison I could find
In relation to where I see the number of recovered cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is the site I use for my general day to day info. then often follow links to their sources.
Locally in terms of news, The biggest news paper in my region is 'The Age' they quote health department stats every day, active cases is reported every single day, and broken down by state.
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Sweden went with the "controlled" spreading of the sickness and an aim for heard immunity as a result of their own leadership didn't act in time. They were forced to this, it wasn't a laid out plan from them. Now they have much more dead people per capita compared to countries like Norway and Finland (about 10x more when i checked last time). It could result in that Sweden resumes back to normal quickest of all European countries but for what price? And i can't see how they would get that far ahead of the rest of their business partners when the rest of Europe is still dealing with restrictions, their internal market will resume quicker but what about import and export business? It takes two to tango.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/infection-rate-is-too-low-to-establi…
This is coming from Great Britain. There isn't a consensus yet if heard immunity is a possibility, although it is difficult to find consensus in anything. But it's way too soon to give Sweden a medal and congratulate them.
The mortality rate of Covid is roughly 10x higher, that is not my opinion, that is the opinion of organizations like the CDC etc.
That mortality rate only takes into account the number of people who contract the virus, not the number that didn’t get it because of a vaccine.
On top of that, lots of seasonal flus do not have a vaccine, there is not one “flu” but many strains
https://www.theblaze.com/steve-deace/sweden
Now to keep the balance, we should probably list all of the countries with a lower number? I bet there a lot more than the 7 countries listed there.
However, regardless of that, it’s probably too early to tell if their approach is working anyway, given the numbers are still so relatively low.
To be clear, I hope the Swedish approach works, i would rather get this out of the way quickly and get back to normal life.
But is Sweden right, and everyone else wrong? I’m guessing probably not.
I can’t imagine a small business owner sitting here watching their life’s work whittle away while the government tells you you’re non essential.
Also, the CDC can only use the data available to calculate mortality rates. Anyone with $40 and a fever will get an Influenza test. Thus millions test positive but only .01% die. The problem with Corona is every death or “assumed death” is counted but not everyone with symptoms are tested. That’s why the antibody tests are important. Say 50,000 dead in the US but 5 million have had this in the last 4 months. Bam, 0.01% mortality rate.
Scientists with PhDs end decades of experience are the ones saying this is much much more deadly than the flu.
Hospitals are overflowing and cities are setting up temporary morgues, they do not do this every year with the flu. More people have died in the US in the last month than died from the regular flu in 2019.
I totally understand the argument of how we should deal with it, and what is the appropriate balance between shutting down businesses and getting people to shelter in place. And Dang, whilst I don’t agree with your views on this part of the debate, I completely understand, and respect your opinion on that part.
I reckon I would be about a 50% chance of losing my job in the next few months, so I get it, and definitely have some ‘skin in the game’ so to speak
But I am sorry, I will never understand people trying to argue this is just like the flu. (Dang that is not directed at you, I know that’s not the point you are trying to make)
That’s like taking a test and the teacher isn’t sure if you passed or failed it so they just fail you because they “think” you did.
Do you understand you aren’t calling me wrong, I don’t know what the numbers are, you are calling the CDC, health departments m, governments etc wrong.
Look at what is happening in NY, look what has happened in some parts of Europe.
Do you really think this was just normal?
Come on man
Even if the numbers are off by 30% the 45,000 the cdc is currently claiming goes down to just over 40,000
Doctors in Italy were having to decide who they gave ventilators to and who would be left to die, that is not normal mate, that doesn’t happen in flu season
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BTW, she hasn't been out the house in weeks. But her husband is a UPS driver.
The whole reason for "flattening the curve" was to save our hospitals from the surge of patients. If you do not believe that then go back and read the original articles. Well guess what hospitals were not overwhelmed, it is actually the opposite. Hospitals are going bankrupt because other surgeries are not being performed. (a few examples below but just search news headlines and it's nationwide.)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/us/coronavirus-rural-hospitals-invs/inde…
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/49-hospitals-furloughing-…
https://wwmt.com/news/local/bronson-to-furlough-hundreds-of-employees-d…
This is political now. Governors and Mayors are trying to one-up each other and making insane rules with no statistical evidence backing their decisions. They just make it up as they go. People cannot enjoy skate parks but they can go to wal mart as others have said...give me a break. Regardless of what you think about Covid19 you have to admit that's insane.
We are ruining the country and people's lives with this madness. I heard a good point the other day; we are told we need to stay inside because "if it saves lives...." but what about "if opening the economy back up saves 1 life then its worth it." And that's the truth. The cure is now worse than the disease (look up suicide rates, domestic abuse, child abuse.) People need to go back to work, public parks, restaurants, and dirt bike tracks and start living again. Isolate those who are vulnerable and lets gets moving.
The majority of people dying from it would have had a good chance of dying from the flu as well. Pre existing conditions that make them vulnerable for these problems. Which again is still such a small percentage versus the world population it’s minuscule.
And to add to your point about numbers. Even if every single case claimed in the world right now 2.8 million cases were true that would mean that only .0003% of the world has coronavirus. Yes, not even a half of a percent of the world has it. For comparison there were 13 million flu cases last year or .0018% of the world has it.
I'm more curious as to if the city is going to take legal action against Buttery, or if there is any precedence to. I'm sure its illegal to ride your dirt bike in the skate park in the first place.
I wonder what the holiday suicide season is going to look like this year?
My county has 1 death in 100,000 people with a decent sized university and we’re within 60miles of Chicago. I just got a little inside info on that person’s health condition prior to death. Obese, high blood pressure, and undergoing Chemo treatments but he died because of Covid. Of course.
It’s time to protect the at risk but return to some version of normalcy at the workplace.
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