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Helda3 4/17/2020 1:51pm
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TogaSet wrote:
Count up Baker’s riders 450 titles in the last 18 years both indoors and out. Until Tomac outdoors Baker’s win percentage was ridiculous. Dungey, RV, Stew...
Count up Baker’s riders 450 titles in the last 18 years both indoors and out. Until Tomac outdoors Baker’s win percentage was ridiculous. Dungey, RV, Stew, Carmichael. Now Webb.
How many years has it been since a non Aldon Trained rider took the 450 supercross title ?
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing. Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would...
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing.

Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would of won titles regardless of who they were training with. Flip the question, how many guys haven't done any better under aldons program? Wilson, weimer, AC, Kenny, townley.

Last sx title winner was Dungey in 2010, then chad in 08, james in 07, chad in 04?
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
woody woodpecker 4/17/2020 1:53pm
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I don't believe his reasoning is exactly true. This lines up with his revelations earlier in the year that he just wants to have fun now and doesn't care as much about winning. He literally said that. He obviously doesn't want Aldon's intense training anymore, and it could actually end up being beneficial for him considering his current mindset. Guys like him can do well with less pressure.
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Helda3 4/17/2020 2:07pm
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omalley wrote:
Wasn’t the team paying Aldon? Or was that just KTM?
Johnny Depp wrote:
It didn't sound like the Rockstar team was leaving, just JA21.
Falcon wrote:
This is what makes me think... Aren't all riders on the Ktm/Husqvarna teams contractually obligated to train with Aldon? If Anderson is leaving Aldon, what's he...
This is what makes me think...

Aren't all riders on the Ktm/Husqvarna teams contractually obligated to train with Aldon? If Anderson is leaving Aldon, what's he riding?
No, Deano doesn't train with Aldon, the riders get the option to and they pay for it but Aldon is paid a retainer by KTM not to train riders from competing brands.
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Oh really


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whyZ wrote:
A hand full of riders from the past and current millennium, and one 'possibly' from this century. Sorry, I was way off.
Well maybe if you guys got good at MXdN again? 😂
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I think the bakers factory is a bit overrated, it lives a lot on the hype it got from RC4, at the time ricky was completely dominant and aldon got a lot of hype because of it. i think ricky would have been dominant anyway, despite aldons training program got him to the "machine" mode for a few years, but he got burned out by it, he even got sick at the end of his carrier. and that keeps happening to all riders that go under that program...
Another thing is the personality of the riders, very talented riders dont do well with aldon and last very little time under his program, they dont handle well the intensity and the work load, and they under perform because of it , since they are a lot more refined and precise rider and their performance is not only based on fitness...
Aldon is very good, has very strong points, but it tends to only work well with riders that rely on fitness and commitment, and most of all aldon is very strong on the mental and tactical side of the sport. so if a elite riders is trying hard and still is missing something, a year or two with aldon will give him what he is missing, but just for a while, cuz after a while it will get to them and they start loosing the grit.....
Think about all the riders that were under aldons program, all great elite riders, only a few got to win, and even those didnt last long, all of them didnt last more them a few years,
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Indian_Dunes_4ever 4/17/2020 4:24pm
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Well maybe if you guys got good at MXdN again? 😂
Ouch..... lol


Yeah...we need it.

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Aussie_power_sports 4/17/2020 4:25pm
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Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
Possibly. Do you think if they were riding with that same crew on their old training programs they would of seen the same improvement?

One thing ricky mentioned on whiskey throttle was that baker likes to run his guys right on the edge and have them very lean via calorie restriction. Even ricky said he would ignore aldons body weight number for outdoors because he knee he needed a bit extra for the season.Maybe aldons suits bodys that a bit more stocky i.e ricky, villopoto, osbourne, webb than guys that are already naturally lean.

AC and kenny both seem to have gotten way more involved with function strength exercises since leaving aldon and have had success.

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Helda3 4/17/2020 4:36pm
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Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Possibly. Do you think if they were riding with that same crew on their old training programs they would of seen the same improvement? One thing...
Possibly. Do you think if they were riding with that same crew on their old training programs they would of seen the same improvement?

One thing ricky mentioned on whiskey throttle was that baker likes to run his guys right on the edge and have them very lean via calorie restriction. Even ricky said he would ignore aldons body weight number for outdoors because he knee he needed a bit extra for the season.Maybe aldons suits bodys that a bit more stocky i.e ricky, villopoto, osbourne, webb than guys that are already naturally lean.

AC and kenny both seem to have gotten way more involved with function strength exercises since leaving aldon and have had success.

Hmmmmm... I'm not sure, I think it's a package that all has to come together and Aldon has it, the program, the facility, the way it's all managed.

It's impossible to say but I honestly reckon if Kenny stayed with Aldon and on a KTM he would have a few more titles.

Likewise with AC he hasn't really loved up to what he could be as far as the lites bikes go.
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TeamGreen 4/17/2020 4:48pm
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TogaSet wrote:
Count up Baker’s riders 450 titles in the last 18 years both indoors and out. Until Tomac outdoors Baker’s win percentage was ridiculous. Dungey, RV, Stew...
Count up Baker’s riders 450 titles in the last 18 years both indoors and out. Until Tomac outdoors Baker’s win percentage was ridiculous. Dungey, RV, Stew, Carmichael. Now Webb.
How many years has it been since a non Aldon Trained rider took the 450 supercross title ?
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing. Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would...
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing.

Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would of won titles regardless of who they were training with. Flip the question, how many guys haven't done any better under aldons program? Wilson, weimer, AC, Kenny, townley.

Last sx title winner was Dungey in 2010, then chad in 08, james in 07, chad in 04?
Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
Whoa! Was Zach with Aldon when he won his 1st title?
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing. Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would...
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing.

Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would of won titles regardless of who they were training with. Flip the question, how many guys haven't done any better under aldons program? Wilson, weimer, AC, Kenny, townley.

Last sx title winner was Dungey in 2010, then chad in 08, james in 07, chad in 04?
Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
TeamGreen wrote:
Whoa! Was Zach with Aldon when he won his 1st title?
I'm not sure, I know you're swinging off all the Husky team riders nuts so no doubt you will tell us?
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Timing and change is everything in the world we live in...

3 rail trailers to Box Vans to Semis...
2 strokes to 4 strokes
Party after race (shit maybe before) to not partying...
Cycle News to magazines to forums to Podcasts...
Local Races to training facilities...
Shaking hands to being quarantined...

Things change. I remember JA21 being a "bust"... Thank you Bobby Hewitt for believing in him. Good for change... It happens.

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Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
TeamGreen wrote:
Whoa! Was Zach with Aldon when he won his 1st title?
Helda3 wrote:
I'm not sure, I know you're swinging off all the Husky team riders nuts so no doubt you will tell us?
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar.

If you're into the "Alternate Lifestyle Thing", that's fine with me. I'm not gonna judge; but, please keep your fantasies of other guy's "nuts" to yourself. Mmmmm'kay, Pumpkin?

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Helda3 4/17/2020 5:33pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
Whoa! Was Zach with Aldon when he won his 1st title?
Helda3 wrote:
I'm not sure, I know you're swinging off all the Husky team riders nuts so no doubt you will tell us?
TeamGreen wrote:
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar. If you're...
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar.

If you're into the "Alternate Lifestyle Thing", that's fine with me. I'm not gonna judge; but, please keep your fantasies of other guy's "nuts" to yourself. Mmmmm'kay, Pumpkin?

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Hahaha 🤣 I don't know but I though he was with Aldon from the start but it was a while ago and my memory isn't great.
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Helda3 wrote:
I'm not sure, I know you're swinging off all the Husky team riders nuts so no doubt you will tell us?
TeamGreen wrote:
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar. If you're...
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar.

If you're into the "Alternate Lifestyle Thing", that's fine with me. I'm not gonna judge; but, please keep your fantasies of other guy's "nuts" to yourself. Mmmmm'kay, Pumpkin?

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Helda3 wrote:
Hahaha 🤣 I don't know but I though he was with Aldon from the start but it was a while ago and my memory isn't great.
I remember him saying he came into tomac’s program late and just couldn’t hang. It was too gnarly!
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woody woodpecker 4/17/2020 6:05pm
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wb173 wrote:
Timing and change is everything in the world we live in... 3 rail trailers to Box Vans to Semis... 2 strokes to 4 strokes Party after...
Timing and change is everything in the world we live in...

3 rail trailers to Box Vans to Semis...
2 strokes to 4 strokes
Party after race (shit maybe before) to not partying...
Cycle News to magazines to forums to Podcasts...
Local Races to training facilities...
Shaking hands to being quarantined...

Things change. I remember JA21 being a "bust"... Thank you Bobby Hewitt for believing in him. Good for change... It happens.

wb173
Incredible post, who would have thought that things change?
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peltier626 4/17/2020 6:11pm
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CPR wrote:
Well maybe if you guys got good at MXdN again? 😂
Very well played sir!
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I was out in Southern California for straight Rhythm last year and was talking with a trainer within the industry and apparently all the riders behind the scenes say aldons program is over the top and basically unnecessary. I agree the results don’t lie though, burn the flame blue win races make money and get out.
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dirtwalker 4/17/2020 7:58pm
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He left with style that is for sure.
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150ripper 4/18/2020 7:17am
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Jason keeping it classy, good on him!!
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Iridereallyslow 4/18/2020 7:21am
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I don't care what anyone says, whether it be at a recreational or elite level, an individual will not reach the same capacity of exertion/work load...
I don't care what anyone says, whether it be at a recreational or elite level, an individual will not reach the same capacity of exertion/work load independently. JA can go it alone, he has earned that right, but just because he has a great understanding of Aldon's program doesn't mean he will be able to execute it at the same level on his own, and that would apply to anyone and any program. It is a rare athlete indeed who can reach a world class level of performance on their own. In fact, I would struggle to identify anyone who has in any sport. This is not a knock on his decision at all, I love watching him ride.

Everyone is so quick to reference burn out for so many of Aldon's guys and I have a different outlook on this (but really WTF do we really know?), but for RC, Villo, Dungey, the pressure of continuing to win I believe was more the issue than a physical burn out because of Aldon. I mean, what else was there to accomplish for RC? He just didn't want to continue to hang it out anymore. His numbers are untouchable. Didn't need the money, and left a huge bonus on the table when he could have easily won another 450 MX title-could have walked it in. Dungey, same, and that crash in Colorado was no doubt a factor. Villo? Was over the pressure of winning no doubt. Don't think he wanted to get hurt again either and he came back from some pretty horrific injuries. None of these guys would have been happy operating at less than an elite level. Winning became the only option. Not easy and unbelievably impressive. Tomac is hinting at retirement soon. He is 27 now. Lets say he wins this SX title. Maybe he goes one more? Will it be because his dad burned him out or that he is just tired of the grind and the pressure of winning?

Did you read JA’s post? Nowhere does it mention he will be training “independently”. Not sure how you came to this conclusion. There are many other trainers and facilities out there.
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UpTiTe 4/18/2020 8:29am
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newmann wrote:
So, Aldon isn’t a good motivational coach is what I got out of that. Face it, he burned RC out at a young age, Stewart seemed...
So, Aldon isn’t a good motivational coach is what I got out of that. Face it, he burned RC out at a young age, Stewart seemed to hate every minute of it, Villopoto did what he had to to get out early, Roczen rebelled and Dungey was never going to ride outside of his comfort zone no matter what.
Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
How many titles did that bunch produce? Just curious. RC, Stewart, RV, Roczen, Dungey... You can even narrow it down to titles produced while aboard the...
How many titles did that bunch produce? Just curious. RC, Stewart, RV, Roczen, Dungey...

You can even narrow it down to titles produced while aboard the Aldon train and it's still amazing.
newmann wrote:
How many kids has Aldon pulled from the amateur ranks and made champions out of?
So many I can’t seem to think of one.


Aldon Baker, turning champions into champions since 2001.
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Good for Jason. If he wasn't feeling it, making a move is the right thing to do. I'm a fan and will remain a fan.
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TogaSet wrote:
Count up Baker’s riders 450 titles in the last 18 years both indoors and out. Until Tomac outdoors Baker’s win percentage was ridiculous. Dungey, RV, Stew...
Count up Baker’s riders 450 titles in the last 18 years both indoors and out. Until Tomac outdoors Baker’s win percentage was ridiculous. Dungey, RV, Stew, Carmichael. Now Webb.
How many years has it been since a non Aldon Trained rider took the 450 supercross title ?
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing. Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would...
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing.

Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would of won titles regardless of who they were training with. Flip the question, how many guys haven't done any better under aldons program? Wilson, weimer, AC, Kenny, townley.

Last sx title winner was Dungey in 2010, then chad in 08, james in 07, chad in 04?
Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
Yes they would have. Webb was an extremely talented rider who worked hard but Yamaha was seriously struggling with the bike when Webb was there.

For Osborne the Husky at the time was miles better than the Greco Honda. He left Honda because he didn’t like the bike.
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing. Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would...
Again im not dissing baker....like many riders have said its not rocket science what he's doing.

Aldon has always had the top riders, guys that would of won titles regardless of who they were training with. Flip the question, how many guys haven't done any better under aldons program? Wilson, weimer, AC, Kenny, townley.

Last sx title winner was Dungey in 2010, then chad in 08, james in 07, chad in 04?
Helda3 wrote:
I don't think Osbourne would of won a title if not for Baker, no way would Webb of won a 450sx title either.
UpTiTe wrote:
Yes they would have. Webb was an extremely talented rider who worked hard but Yamaha was seriously struggling with the bike when Webb was there. For...
Yes they would have. Webb was an extremely talented rider who worked hard but Yamaha was seriously struggling with the bike when Webb was there.

For Osborne the Husky at the time was miles better than the Greco Honda. He left Honda because he didn’t like the bike.
It impossible to ever know if they would or wouldn't have, I have my doubts that they would of...
jorgechavez 4/18/2020 3:42pm
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Helda3 wrote:
I'm not sure, I know you're swinging off all the Husky team riders nuts so no doubt you will tell us?
TeamGreen wrote:
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar. If you're...
I was honestly asking the question, that's all. As I recall, he was training in Colorado for the 1st year he was at Rockstar.

If you're into the "Alternate Lifestyle Thing", that's fine with me. I'm not gonna judge; but, please keep your fantasies of other guy's "nuts" to yourself. Mmmmm'kay, Pumpkin?

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Hahaha 🤣 I don't know but I though he was with Aldon from the start but it was a while ago and my memory isn't great.
If memory serves me correct I believe Osbourne started working with Aldon prior to the 2017 season and then went on to win the east coast title two years in a row. Along with the 2017 outdoor title. I may be wrong but I’m almost sure he didn’t have a title prior to working with Aldon.
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newmann wrote:
So, Aldon isn’t a good motivational coach is what I got out of that. Face it, he burned RC out at a young age, Stewart seemed...
So, Aldon isn’t a good motivational coach is what I got out of that. Face it, he burned RC out at a young age, Stewart seemed to hate every minute of it, Villopoto did what he had to to get out early, Roczen rebelled and Dungey was never going to ride outside of his comfort zone no matter what.
Baker is known as the Newmann of motocross training.

I bet baker can't even start an old elsinore or YZ.
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newmann wrote:
So, Aldon isn’t a good motivational coach is what I got out of that. Face it, he burned RC out at a young age, Stewart seemed...
So, Aldon isn’t a good motivational coach is what I got out of that. Face it, he burned RC out at a young age, Stewart seemed to hate every minute of it, Villopoto did what he had to to get out early, Roczen rebelled and Dungey was never going to ride outside of his comfort zone no matter what.
RC what else was there for RC to do? He said he wanted to retire on top. He has now come forth saying he was scared to lose. Aldon has said, “what would you rather have. A long career with no championships or a short one with titles?”
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2018 he raced like Aldon was his coach, 2020 he raced like Aldon wasn't his coach. Do your thing is my humble opinion.
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