If the remainder of the SX races are canceled, do you still award 250 & 450 champions?

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The championship is determined by the points leader at the end of the 17 round schedule. If they only race 10 of those 17, should they award #1 plates and the championship title to the current points leader for 250 West, 250 East and the 450 class?

250 West: 6 / 10 races completed (60%)
250 East: 4 / 9 races completed (44%)
450: 10 / 17 races completed (59%)

If so, where do you draw the line? If they only raced 3 out of 17 races, would you still hand out championship titles?
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Do you still award championship titles for an incomplete season?

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3/12/2020 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 4:25pm
Yeah....no. No complete season....no title. Not in my book.

....queue up the "thumbs down" and poo-flinging-monkeys.


Figured I'd drop this in here too....just for the fun of it....



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Yes. Even if there was only one race. Yes.


Everyone racing has had an equal opportunity to collect points. I don't understand why anyone thinks that 17 is some magic number of rounds necessary to name a champion. Why don't we run every single weekend and have a 52-race championship? What if 17 rounds seems like the riders haven't completed a full season? Do the last 20 years of Supercross titles need to have asterisks next to them?

The men who have raced themselves into the points lead at the time the races are concluded are the winners. If the last several races are cancelled, they are not part of the equation.
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No.. To much racing yet and we have seen over the years how much these final races matter for points.
and to finish the series at Daytona with it being Tomacs track, calling the series short while he holds a small lead.. I wouldn't go calling Tomac a champion for it.

Im a tomac fan and want him to win it just as bad as anyone.. but not on these terms. he would be the most controversial SX champion an nothing to celebrate about.
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3/12/2020 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 4:41pm
Falcon wrote:
Yes. Even if there was only one race. Yes. Everyone racing has had an equal opportunity to collect points. I don't understand why anyone thinks that...
Yes. Even if there was only one race. Yes.


Everyone racing has had an equal opportunity to collect points. I don't understand why anyone thinks that 17 is some magic number of rounds necessary to name a champion. Why don't we run every single weekend and have a 52-race championship? What if 17 rounds seems like the riders haven't completed a full season? Do the last 20 years of Supercross titles need to have asterisks next to them?

The men who have raced themselves into the points lead at the time the races are concluded are the winners. If the last several races are cancelled, they are not part of the equation.
Just arguing your points, I feel a little torn on how I feel about it. The other years don't "need an asterisk" because they weren't 17 rounds. The 17 number comes from the schedule that was announced. It is a 17-round championship this year.

Trying to think of a comparison... If the NFL had to cancel its playoff games and Superbowl, would you claim the team with the most wins at that time the Superbowl Champion? Or would there just be no Superbowl champs that year because the season was canceled and incomplete?

I wonder if there's a rule about this already in place? "If the championship series is canceled early due to unforeseen circumstances, the points leader at that time will be deemed champion" or something along those lines where the precedent has already been set and the riders should know that at any given weekend the series could wrap early.
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3/12/2020 4:42pm
Yeah lol. Tomac having more points than anyone else this series thus far has nothing to do with his skill, it’s all because of the virus. It all makes sense now.
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3/12/2020 4:45pm
Sense of humor much? The pic was for the rabid Tomac fans. ....and where did I say Eli started the virus?



I like both Tomac and Kenny (actually all riders)....I will admit that I wanted Kenny to win this year though.
If it was Roczen, Webb, Barcia etc, my feelings would be the same.....it's not a title for anyone.



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Back in 88 I believe the premier class did less than 10 rounds because of conflicts between two sanctioning bodies. Nobody questions 88 - I believe 10 rounds is enough to crown a legitimate champion.
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Falcon wrote:
Yes. Even if there was only one race. Yes. Everyone racing has had an equal opportunity to collect points. I don't understand why anyone thinks that...
Yes. Even if there was only one race. Yes.


Everyone racing has had an equal opportunity to collect points. I don't understand why anyone thinks that 17 is some magic number of rounds necessary to name a champion. Why don't we run every single weekend and have a 52-race championship? What if 17 rounds seems like the riders haven't completed a full season? Do the last 20 years of Supercross titles need to have asterisks next to them?

The men who have raced themselves into the points lead at the time the races are concluded are the winners. If the last several races are cancelled, they are not part of the equation.
aeffertz wrote:
Just arguing your points, I feel a little torn on how I feel about it. The other years don't "need an asterisk" because they weren't 17...
Just arguing your points, I feel a little torn on how I feel about it. The other years don't "need an asterisk" because they weren't 17 rounds. The 17 number comes from the schedule that was announced. It is a 17-round championship this year.

Trying to think of a comparison... If the NFL had to cancel its playoff games and Superbowl, would you claim the team with the most wins at that time the Superbowl Champion? Or would there just be no Superbowl champs that year because the season was canceled and incomplete?

I wonder if there's a rule about this already in place? "If the championship series is canceled early due to unforeseen circumstances, the points leader at that time will be deemed champion" or something along those lines where the precedent has already been set and the riders should know that at any given weekend the series could wrap early.
That isn't even close to a valid comparison. The NFL determines it's title in head-to-head competition between teams, not a combined points earned during a season. If you even try to compare it, then all but 2 teams have "incomplete" seasons because they don't get to play the same number of games.

That's an example of how this just doesn't compare.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
That isn't even close to a valid comparison. The NFL determines it's title in head-to-head competition between teams, not a combined points earned during a season...
That isn't even close to a valid comparison. The NFL determines it's title in head-to-head competition between teams, not a combined points earned during a season. If you even try to compare it, then all but 2 teams have "incomplete" seasons because they don't get to play the same number of games.

That's an example of how this just doesn't compare.
Okay, fuck the comparison then. I never said it was a good one anyway. Grinning
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3/12/2020 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 5:14pm
I can see the argument for not wanting to give out the championship based on 10 rounds. Personally I don’t think you can just ignore the 10 races that have taken place and act as if they never happened.

It’s definitely a huge disappointment if it ends this way as I’m sure we all wanted to see how it would have played out.
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3/12/2020 5:05pm
Every round is like the ultimate playoff as they're going against ALL of their competition.

Would be interesting if they gave out Championships, but it's past the half-way point so that might factor in.

Also, Barcia dropped to 4th in season points too at Daytona. Doesn't that have implications for his Yamaha contract / extension / bonus?
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3/12/2020 5:06pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 5:07pm
Bet you they do the remaining rounds late spring early summer, then have a motocross season that goes into October or so.
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3/12/2020 5:07pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 5:07pm
I guarantee you the OEMs will claim those championships. The sponsors will claim those championships. The riders will claim those championships.

In the words of the late, great Nicky Hayden "That's why we race on Sunday". Because you never know what could happen.

If no other race happens this year the undeniable facts are Eli Tomac, Dylan Ferrandis, and Chase Sexton have the most points across the races run. They showed up each Sunday and did what was needed to be in the hot seat. 5 races. 10 races. 17 races. Doesn't matter. When the 'season ended', not matter the reason, those are the riders that had amassed the most points over their peers.
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I can see the argument for not wanting to give out the championship based on 10 rounds. Personally I don’t think you can just ignore the...
I can see the argument for not wanting to give out the championship based on 10 rounds. Personally I don’t think you can just ignore the 10 races that have taken place and act as if they never happened.

It’s definitely a huge disappointment if it ends this way as I’m sure we all wanted to see how it would have played out.
Agreed.
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3/12/2020 5:45pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 5:52pm
Didn't the first supercross championship have 3 rounds. Pretty sure there's a champion.
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mark_swart wrote:
Back in 88 I believe the premier class did less than 10 rounds because of conflicts between two sanctioning bodies. Nobody questions 88 - I believe...
Back in 88 I believe the premier class did less than 10 rounds because of conflicts between two sanctioning bodies. Nobody questions 88 - I believe 10 rounds is enough to crown a legitimate champion.
I agree, in 1977 there were 10 rounds and a Champion was crowned. If anyone believes 10 rounds isn't enough then go tell Bob Hannah he really wasn't the 1977 Champion.
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dkurtd wrote:
I agree, in 1977 there were 10 rounds and a Champion was crowned. If anyone believes 10 rounds isn't enough then go tell Bob Hannah he...
I agree, in 1977 there were 10 rounds and a Champion was crowned. If anyone believes 10 rounds isn't enough then go tell Bob Hannah he really wasn't the 1977 Champion.
That's not what the argument is.
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I look at it this way;

If Eli was awarded the title now I’m ok with that.
He won the most races
He has been the points leader for 3 rounds now
He is clearly the fastest person on the track
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At the end of the day the champion is the rider with the lost points at the end of the series. Doesnt matter if its 17 or 3 races.
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Sense of humor much? The pic was for the rabid Tomac fans. ....and where did I say Eli started the virus? I like both Tomac and...
Sense of humor much? The pic was for the rabid Tomac fans. ....and where did I say Eli started the virus?



I like both Tomac and Kenny (actually all riders)....I will admit that I wanted Kenny to win this year though.
If it was Roczen, Webb, Barcia etc, my feelings would be the same.....it's not a title for anyone.



Some people just don't have a sense of humor. I thought it was funny , and I have nothing against Tomac. It's today's society. People just can't take a joke anymore.
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Whoever is winning when the season is over is champ, no matter if it’s shorter than 17 rounds. Same for 250 people on here are a brunch of tools
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Yep that dude is a Tomac hater masquerading as a concerned fan but is a concern troll.
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mxer15 wrote:
Whoever is winning when the season is over is champ, no matter if it’s shorter than 17 rounds. Same for 250 people on here are a...
Whoever is winning when the season is over is champ, no matter if it’s shorter than 17 rounds. Same for 250 people on here are a brunch of tools
Nah, it was a shitty attempt to demean and malign a humble, brave and highly skilled man.
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If a marathon is halted after 15 miles, do they call the leader the winner of a marathon? Record time, right?

Do you think the record books will not mention what went down? Asterisks are used for footnotes. It’s not criticism, it’s about facts. All the bullshit talk about asterisks in this place, and now folks get pissy when one is required.

This could have been Tomac’s year, and now he’s champ with no celebration. Instead of big party in May, SX will be long past. It will be like the season never happened. I feel bad for the guy. He was riding great and I bet he wanted to prove to himself and everyone that he could bring it home.

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Yeah NO champions.
No one can tell me that if the riders knew it was only going to be 10 rounds, that the points would look the same. Riders constantly make decisions when to push it and when to settle, depending on how close in points they are and how many rounds are left.
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3/13/2020 1:02am
How many times have we heard “it’s a long season”
Or “the goal is top five every race”?

With a shorter schedule, strategies may have changed at any given race. A rider may have gone for that one extra pass if he knew the ‘long’ season was going to be a ‘short’ season.

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How many times have we heard “it’s a long season” Or “the goal is top five every race”? With a shorter schedule, strategies may have changed...
How many times have we heard “it’s a long season”
Or “the goal is top five every race”?

With a shorter schedule, strategies may have changed at any given race. A rider may have gone for that one extra pass if he knew the ‘long’ season was going to be a ‘short’ season.

It’s fair to say the long season normally suits tomac better
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3/13/2020 1:44am
Hard one. Do you think think Roczen would have lost last race if he knew it was the last?
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Hard one. Do you think think Roczen would have lost last race if he knew it was the last?
Yes he gave it all he had.
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