Could we lose JGR?

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Rotaholic 3/10/2020 1:17pm
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Outdoors could be very interesting, if Savatgy, Anstie and Noren all fire we will see a lot of yellow top 5s
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MX690 wrote:
JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. 

They had James Stewart.
This was a few yrs. ago & not 2020. The other manufacturers have continued to advance their works bike while the Suzuki is still basically the old platform from when JS7 raced it.
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MX690 wrote:
JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. 

They had James Stewart.
H4L wrote:
This was a few yrs. ago & not 2020. The other manufacturers have continued to advance their works bike while the Suzuki is still basically the...
This was a few yrs. ago & not 2020. The other manufacturers have continued to advance their works bike while the Suzuki is still basically the old platform from when JS7 raced it.
What are the main things that every factory team has improved while Suzuki hasn't?

IMO, I'd leave out the electric start "issue" since the kx250 still has a kicker and their riders are able to win on that thing.
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What are the main things that every factory team has improved while Suzuki hasn't? IMO, I'd leave out the electric start "issue" since the kx250 still...
What are the main things that every factory team has improved while Suzuki hasn't?

IMO, I'd leave out the electric start "issue" since the kx250 still has a kicker and their riders are able to win on that thing.
If you have to ask. Well..

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seth505 wrote:
What are the main things that every factory team has improved while Suzuki hasn't? IMO, I'd leave out the electric start "issue" since the kx250 still...
What are the main things that every factory team has improved while Suzuki hasn't?

IMO, I'd leave out the electric start "issue" since the kx250 still has a kicker and their riders are able to win on that thing.
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If you have to ask. Well..
You're the one that made the general statement so that is why I asked. I'll assume we both don't know.
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They own Ringling Brothers but aren't in the circus business? Okie Dokie! 🤣
If you can't get the distinction between an active business, and an inactive one, I can't do much to help you out.
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seth505 wrote:
You're the one that made the general statement so that is why I asked. I'll assume we both don't know.
You can assume what ever you want as that’s your choice..
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GuyB wrote:
If you can't get the distinction between an active business, and an inactive one, I can't do much to help you out.
"Inactive" doesn't mean shuttered. Try using the name "Elsinore" for a motorcycle and see what Honda has to say.... Stop being a FELD shill and just let your members enjoy discussion on the board while you enjoy the clicks (nee: revenue). I haven't said anything to draw your ire......except criticizing your master.
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Red Crawford wrote:
"Inactive" doesn't mean shuttered. Try using the name "Elsinore" for a motorcycle and see what Honda has to say.... Stop being a FELD shill and just...
"Inactive" doesn't mean shuttered. Try using the name "Elsinore" for a motorcycle and see what Honda has to say.... Stop being a FELD shill and just let your members enjoy discussion on the board while you enjoy the clicks (nee: revenue). I haven't said anything to draw your ire......except criticizing your master.
Trying to steer you in a correct direction is being a Feld shill? Okay.

In a word, bite me.
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Racerman967 3/10/2020 2:53pm
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It was dated in 2016, we are 4 years later, still basically the same bike
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Squirrelings 3/10/2020 2:54pm
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kb228 wrote:
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it. Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR...
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it.

Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR a satellite team like RM KTM is to Redbull KTM. Thats probably for the best.
Roczen won a championship on the last gen Suzuki less than five years ago. If you think that the Suzuki can’t be made to win like the others, then you just don’t know much.
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It's a sad story, all the resources in the world can't help bad luck, bad decisions and bad management.
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kb228 wrote:
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it. Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR...
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it.

Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR a satellite team like RM KTM is to Redbull KTM. Thats probably for the best.
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Roczen won a championship on the last gen Suzuki less than five years ago. If you think that the Suzuki can’t be made to win like...
Roczen won a championship on the last gen Suzuki less than five years ago. If you think that the Suzuki can’t be made to win like the others, then you just don’t know much.
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second that JGR...with all their resources, wouldn't have done it by now? I mean, seriously.
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kb228 wrote:
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it. Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR...
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it.

Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR a satellite team like RM KTM is to Redbull KTM. Thats probably for the best.
Squirrelings wrote:
Roczen won a championship on the last gen Suzuki less than five years ago. If you think that the Suzuki can’t be made to win like...
Roczen won a championship on the last gen Suzuki less than five years ago. If you think that the Suzuki can’t be made to win like the others, then you just don’t know much.
davistld01 wrote:
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second...
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second that JGR...with all their resources, wouldn't have done it by now? I mean, seriously.
Yes. They made it known that they weren't going to pay for a top dollar rider (so no Roczen, Tomac, Musquin, etc). Bikes can't win a championship, you do need a top tier rider.
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H4L 3/10/2020 4:11pm
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davistld01 wrote:
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second...
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second that JGR...with all their resources, wouldn't have done it by now? I mean, seriously.
People believe one way or the other on the subject & for the most part the die-hard Zuk fans won't budge in their belief. In all sports top athletes are looking for that slight advantage over their competition whether it be skill, fitness, equip. or machine etc.. In some cases these guys are looking for 10th's of a second a lap. An outdated bike is not going to give these top pros that advantage. Like it or not those are the facts.
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JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were...
JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were they thinking. Plus A Mart is just not that great at sx. And keeping a guy like Decotis just does not make any since to me. Plenty of younger guys looking for a ride in my opinion that could have been a better choice.
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You gotta give some examples when you make that type of statement. Who could they get right now that would finish better than A Mart or...
You gotta give some examples when you make that type of statement. Who could they get right now that would finish better than A Mart or a healthy Decotis?
I'm talking before the last couple of seasons. Kyle Peters would have been a better choice then Decotis. What about Jordan Bailey for the year ? Sorry but when you are hiring guys that have had so many chances on good teams before. Then hire someone younger and more of a future then go for it. Hell these young guys like Crown or Bailey would be better chances. Martin can't be costing that much.
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Rotaholic wrote:
Outdoors could be very interesting, if Savatgy, Anstie and Noren all fire we will see a lot of yellow top 5s
Would be interesting of Tickle was in the mix, too. He has 4 outdoor podiums on the Zook.
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How much was Stew on to go to JGR?

As far as the Suzuki that Ken was on it was so bad before it was good he had already signed with Honda before he won his championship, it honestly probably cost him 1 or 2 championships
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TbonesPop 3/10/2020 6:25pm
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davistld01 wrote:
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second...
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second that JGR...with all their resources, wouldn't have done it by now? I mean, seriously.
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People believe one way or the other on the subject & for the most part the die-hard Zuk fans won't budge in their belief. In all...
People believe one way or the other on the subject & for the most part the die-hard Zuk fans won't budge in their belief. In all sports top athletes are looking for that slight advantage over their competition whether it be skill, fitness, equip. or machine etc.. In some cases these guys are looking for 10th's of a second a lap. An outdated bike is not going to give these top pros that advantage. Like it or not those are the facts.
Honda hasn't had a 450 US champion in SX or MX in what, 2 decades IIRC (its been so long, I can't even remember to be honest)? Kawi, Zook, Yamaha, KTM, and Husky all have US Championships under them in the last decade, and most of them multiple championships. Honda has changed their bikes, they have invested, they have innovated, they've gone after top riders with $$, etc. No US championships. Suzuki has far more to show in the last 2 decades than Honda has, even as recent as 2016 on an 8 year old platform bike - which proves it can still be made competitive with the right rider and program. Honda, not so even with all the money invested. Like it or not, those are the facts.
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Jeff alessi wrote:
They really need a change to a successful tried and true bike. They haven't had the easiest of chassis to figure out, first with the new...
They really need a change to a successful tried and true bike. They haven't had the easiest of chassis to figure out, first with the new Yamaha 450 and the added stress of having the fastest man on the planet riding it and the bike being to stiff then moving to a Suzuki that hasn't been changed much since 2005 and really lacking support as Suzuki has stepped away from focusing on their mx bike, all of that hasn't been ideal. I imagine they made both of those bikes better then what they started with but the bikes were miles away from a Honda or ktm. Does anyone know if they could hypothetically move to a gas gas? I know sponsors from the NASCAR side heavily influences the direction the motorcycle team goes but they did move from Yamaha to Suzuki, maybe they can make another move and be gasgas team. That's the only way I see that team getting the bikes where they want. Unfortunate luck with broc tickle as I believe he would have been in the top 10 on his good nights maybe even top 7 but you see what broc was riding when he was doing it on his own, you see what's upfront and I can't help but think JGR have stuck around wanting and waiting for the opportunity to open up with one of those bikes. They need a bike change and that's all, everyone on that team knows how to run a team right because they have done this they're entire lives. The problem is obvious.
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You see gasgas as a better option than Suzuki? Hm? Questionable Also keep in mind how many championships that old Suzuki has had...it is not the...
You see gasgas as a better option than Suzuki?

Hm? Questionable

Also keep in mind how many championships that old Suzuki has had...it is not the bike!
Yeah good point, Honda should put Kenny on the old steel framed crs mcgrath won on.
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Bruce372 3/10/2020 6:33pm
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It was a shame suzuki pulled funding from the Everts mxgp team. I dont see any points for suzuki in MX1 or MX2, unless it's my eyes?
Just saw that Stribos is riding the RMZ.






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TbonesPop wrote:
Honda hasn't had a 450 US champion in SX or MX in what, 2 decades IIRC (its been so long, I can't even remember to be...
Honda hasn't had a 450 US champion in SX or MX in what, 2 decades IIRC (its been so long, I can't even remember to be honest)? Kawi, Zook, Yamaha, KTM, and Husky all have US Championships under them in the last decade, and most of them multiple championships. Honda has changed their bikes, they have invested, they have innovated, they've gone after top riders with $$, etc. No US championships. Suzuki has far more to show in the last 2 decades than Honda has, even as recent as 2016 on an 8 year old platform bike - which proves it can still be made competitive with the right rider and program. Honda, not so even with all the money invested. Like it or not, those are the facts.
Laughing You sound like a teenager in your last sentence repeating what I said (maybe you are).. You're right about Honda not having any championships since RC. Should I get butt hurt about it like you & start attacking everyone that says anything bad about it ? Cool
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dirtworldmx 3/10/2020 6:50pm
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They hired Justin Hill after he slept thru an outdoor season. Obviously, they need better management.
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Heard a rumor (maybe on pulp? idk) that suzuki may be pulling out of US moto all together? That would suck I hope they keep supporting HEP or a smaller team at least.


Also heard rumblings of JGR merging with tld ktm somehow for a 250 effort? How would that work, would it become the orange 250 team kind of like star yamaha? Or would they be a gasgas 250 team and red bull field their own ktm 250 team? Would JGR run any 450s then if they went gasgas? Would Rmatv mc be the new gasgas 450 team?

so many things could happen. I just hope JGR stays around one way or another. We have so much talent in the sport right now and im all for having more rides out there for these dudes
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Squirrelings 3/10/2020 6:54pm
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davistld01 wrote:
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second...
Then, riddle me this...if the Suzuki can be made to "win like the others" at this stage of the game, do you believe for a second that JGR...with all their resources, wouldn't have done it by now? I mean, seriously.
JGR doesn’t have the funding or the riders which go hand-in-hand. Surely, you can understand this basic concept.
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TbonesPop wrote:
Honda hasn't had a 450 US champion in SX or MX in what, 2 decades IIRC (its been so long, I can't even remember to be...
Honda hasn't had a 450 US champion in SX or MX in what, 2 decades IIRC (its been so long, I can't even remember to be honest)? Kawi, Zook, Yamaha, KTM, and Husky all have US Championships under them in the last decade, and most of them multiple championships. Honda has changed their bikes, they have invested, they have innovated, they've gone after top riders with $$, etc. No US championships. Suzuki has far more to show in the last 2 decades than Honda has, even as recent as 2016 on an 8 year old platform bike - which proves it can still be made competitive with the right rider and program. Honda, not so even with all the money invested. Like it or not, those are the facts.
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:laugh: You sound like a teenager in your last sentence repeating what I said (maybe you are).. You're right about Honda not having any championships since...
Laughing You sound like a teenager in your last sentence repeating what I said (maybe you are).. You're right about Honda not having any championships since RC. Should I get butt hurt about it like you & start attacking everyone that says anything bad about it ? Cool
Honda 450 just won the world championship.
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H4L 3/10/2020 7:31pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Honda 450 just won the world championship.
Yup. He or she was referring to the US though.
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Bruce372 3/10/2020 7:49pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Honda 450 just won the world championship.
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Yup. He or she was referring to the US though.
Ahh, I see.

These threads suck. People take it so personally, I love suzukis, owned 5, yet there is outrage when people o objectively talk about their shortcomings.

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Bruce372 wrote:
Ahh, I see. These threads suck. People take it so personally, I love suzukis, owned 5, yet there is outrage when people o objectively talk about...
Ahh, I see.

These threads suck. People take it so personally, I love suzukis, owned 5, yet there is outrage when people o objectively talk about their shortcomings.

Yeah, I don't get it either. It's weird it's almost like a cult like mentality. I try not to post since I see most of these members get real sensitive about it..
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