250f too fast and heavy but I’m too big for non full sized bikes

Dom_Cassar 1/28/2020 9:58pm
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See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later...
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later move up to a 250F and sell the 125. You can have the proper bike now and the proper bike later.
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean bike but I have to convince my dad that a 125 isn’t too fast before it sells.
vansnxtweek489 1/29/2020 3:56am
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From what people have said as well as my personal experience...

You will learn so much more by starting on a 125 2T. Not only riding skills but maintenance as well. All good skills for someone getting into it heavy. My first 2T was an 03 CR125. When I saw it I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. Looking back, if I saw it now I'd say it was a huge piece of crap. That thing taught me a ton about working on bikes, clutch and throttle use, how to win some races and a whole lot more. Had many a good time on that bike.

Good luck in your search.
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KDXGarage wrote:
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later...
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later move up to a 250F and sell the 125. You can have the proper bike now and the proper bike later.
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I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean...
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean bike but I have to convince my dad that a 125 isn’t too fast before it sells.
Dom.....out of curiosity , what does a new 125 ( KTM / Husky ) cost over there in Ausland ?

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There is no better way to learn than a 125. It'll help you learn proper technique, where a 250f masks bad technique.

A mistake will be easier to correct on the 125 because of the lighter weight and also less gyro (there are a lot of spinning parts in a four stroke engine which can actually effect handling), and in the event of a fall the bigger the bike the more it'll tend to punish you.

It will help you learn to properly maintain a motorcycle as well. Things like proper air filter maintenance and oil changes are easy, but if you make a mistake doing either the cost of that mistake could be thousands less on the 125. And when the time comes to do a top end it is way easier on the two stroke also.
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shuggs 1/29/2020 11:20am
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125 2t first all day long. You can always play about with sprocket sizes to alter speed to suit how fast you learn.

A 250f has a lot of power QUICK so has the chance to bite you hard
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125 or 150 is perfect.

I'm surprised so many are pushing for the 250f.
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I'd go a 125. My wife's first ever bike was an RM125 and she handled fine and she is a lot smaller than you.
Just take it easy until you get used to the power and you'll be fine. Like others have said it will help you build a good foundation of skills that you will be able to take with you to your next bike.
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I was 5'7" and 54kg when I went from a trailbike to a 250F, the first few rides were scary but I quickly got used to...
I was 5'7" and 54kg when I went from a trailbike to a 250F, the first few rides were scary but I quickly got used to it.

If you are wanting to learn to ride motocross a 125 IS NOT the way to go. Very peaky power delivery and not as easy to ride. A 250F weighs maybe 5lbs more? And since you are starting out, I'd bet you can put at least 100 hours on the motor before you have to start rebuilding it.
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How about learning proper technique on a 125 before getting on a powerful 250f? Especially on a motocross track. Doing jumps and sections before he's skilled...
How about learning proper technique on a 125 before getting on a powerful 250f? Especially on a motocross track. Doing jumps and sections before he's skilled enough but simply because he's got enough power to
He's used to a 125cc air-cooled four stroke, which has about the same power curve as a Honda generator.

I'm a firm believer going from something super liner to something super peaky will turn a rider off. Imagine not being prepared for the powerband to hit while going off a jump.... yikes
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KDXGarage wrote:
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later...
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later move up to a 250F and sell the 125. You can have the proper bike now and the proper bike later.
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I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean...
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean bike but I have to convince my dad that a 125 isn’t too fast before it sells.
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Dom.....out of curiosity , what does a new 125 ( KTM / Husky ) cost over there in Ausland ?
Full list price is $10995 including tax for the 125 & 150.
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You are gonna get the bike your dad is comfortable with you having. You are gonna ride the hell out it, take care of it, learn a lot...and if you still have the fire in a year or two...with luck you'll get what YOU want. Let us know how it plays out.
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Dropbear 1/29/2020 5:29pm
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Being an old fart, it makes me wonder how many current pro’s have never ridden a 2 stroke? Unthinkable to me, lol. I would assume most but not all would have raced at least an 85cc.
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One can add a bit of flywheel weight at first on a 125 till getting used to it.
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Hi, I’m 15 years old and I currently ride a crf125fb and it’s getting way too small for me. Been riding for 8 months and been...
Hi, I’m 15 years old and I currently ride a crf125fb and it’s getting way too small for me. Been riding for 8 months and been picking things up very very fast. I’m 5,9” and weigh 60kg. I’m thinking that a 125 two stroke is the way to go but I’m really not sure if I’m experienced enough for the power and wondering if it’s too much. would really love to chat to someone with a lot of experience about what bike is best for me. I would like to start riding motocross because I ride a lot of off road farm land and trails through forests. I would like to get a full sized bike because I’m still growing and don’t wanna waste my money on a smaller bike and out grow it 6 months later. I’ve sat on a yz85 big wheel in the dealer and it was too small for me the guys said.
i went from a drz125 at 13 to a yz125 at 14 and it is very different but take it slow at first and you can learn pretty quickly
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Get a reasonably priced well serviced used 125 and beat the crap out of it and get dirty ,bruised and scraped up. Learn to ride and eat dirt.
“If you don’t crash alot, you just aint going fast enough” Chandler
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Dom_Cassar wrote:
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean...
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean bike but I have to convince my dad that a 125 isn’t too fast before it sells.
jeffro503 wrote:
Dom.....out of curiosity , what does a new 125 ( KTM / Husky ) cost over there in Ausland ?
CASH476 wrote:
Full list price is $10995 including tax for the 125 & 150.
Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically 1/2 price compared to new , or close to it. My 2017 Husky 125 , was bought in 2017 ( so it was a new model for that year ) and it was $7199.00 USD. At half price that would be $3600.00 , which seems like a damn great deal , for a well taken care of 125.
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Dom_Cassar 1/29/2020 10:22pm
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KDXGarage wrote:
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later...
See if you can find a very recent 125 that is used (maybe 3 years old or so). If you stick with it, you can later move up to a 250F and sell the 125. You can have the proper bike now and the proper bike later.
Dom_Cassar wrote:
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean...
I went and had a look at a 2017 ktm 125sx which has a lot of aftermarket bits on it for around 5,800AUD. very very clean bike but I have to convince my dad that a 125 isn’t too fast before it sells.
jeffro503 wrote:
Dom.....out of curiosity , what does a new 125 ( KTM / Husky ) cost over there in Ausland ?
11k AUD
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jeffro503 wrote:
Dom.....out of curiosity , what does a new 125 ( KTM / Husky ) cost over there in Ausland ?
CASH476 wrote:
Full list price is $10995 including tax for the 125 & 150.
jeffro503 wrote:
Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically...
Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically 1/2 price compared to new , or close to it. My 2017 Husky 125 , was bought in 2017 ( so it was a new model for that year ) and it was $7199.00 USD. At half price that would be $3600.00 , which seems like a damn great deal , for a well taken care of 125.


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CASH476 wrote:
Full list price is $10995 including tax for the 125 & 150.
jeffro503 wrote:
Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically...
Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically 1/2 price compared to new , or close to it. My 2017 Husky 125 , was bought in 2017 ( so it was a new model for that year ) and it was $7199.00 USD. At half price that would be $3600.00 , which seems like a damn great deal , for a well taken care of 125.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/29/401146/s1200_8F67D215_671F_47FF_B4B3_ED8DC1E2F281.jpg[/img] Here’s the bike went to have a look at


Here’s the bike went to have a look at
A newer 125 is going to be much better than dealing with some old clapped out bike. I know if you don't have a good running 2-stroke or the know-how to tune it, its a big deterrent.

My only advice if you choose the 125 route would be to continually push yourself, harder than you were expecting to. You definitely learn to ride better on a 2-stroke, but you've gotta work for it, and you've gotta make your mistakes. I'd even recommend taking ride lessons or shadowing some vets to get a leg up
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Yeti831 1/30/2020 10:14am
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Imo, go with a good 125.

They are light, fun as hell and will make you a sharper rider.

Granted you're going to have to do the top end more often than a 250f, but it'll be at a fraction of the cost. To the point that you can do some porting and a high comp piston and still be spending less than parts for a 250f.

I think a 250f will do you better once you get used to it. But IF genuinely feel a 250 too big then snag a solid 125.

If it's any consolation, I'm 6'6", weigh 230lbs and I still have a blast on it.
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Imo, go with a good 125. They are light, fun as hell and will make you a sharper rider. Granted you're going to have to do...
Imo, go with a good 125.

They are light, fun as hell and will make you a sharper rider.

Granted you're going to have to do the top end more often than a 250f, but it'll be at a fraction of the cost. To the point that you can do some porting and a high comp piston and still be spending less than parts for a 250f.

I think a 250f will do you better once you get used to it. But IF genuinely feel a 250 too big then snag a solid 125.

If it's any consolation, I'm 6'6", weigh 230lbs and I still have a blast on it.
Piston and rings cost about the same on a 250F compared to a 125?
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Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically...
Wow , ok those numbers are scary , even with the exchange rate. But it sounds like the 125 he was looking at , was basically 1/2 price compared to new , or close to it. My 2017 Husky 125 , was bought in 2017 ( so it was a new model for that year ) and it was $7199.00 USD. At half price that would be $3600.00 , which seems like a damn great deal , for a well taken care of 125.
Dom_Cassar wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/29/401146/s1200_8F67D215_671F_47FF_B4B3_ED8DC1E2F281.jpg[/img] Here’s the bike went to have a look at


Here’s the bike went to have a look at
pie_obk wrote:
A newer 125 is going to be much better than dealing with some old clapped out bike. I know if you don't have a good running...
A newer 125 is going to be much better than dealing with some old clapped out bike. I know if you don't have a good running 2-stroke or the know-how to tune it, its a big deterrent.

My only advice if you choose the 125 route would be to continually push yourself, harder than you were expecting to. You definitely learn to ride better on a 2-stroke, but you've gotta work for it, and you've gotta make your mistakes. I'd even recommend taking ride lessons or shadowing some vets to get a leg up
There’s a motocross association Near me do you think that it would be worth taking a couple classes with them?
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There’s a motocross association Near me do you think that it would be worth taking a couple classes with them?
Heck yeah!! Getting some tips / help / info from some experienced MX riders is always a good thing. Pick their brain about the jetting thing as well. Because , that alone can be the difference to a great time , to a bad time.
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Dom_Cassar wrote:
How often is a rebuild then?
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You could get 30+ hours out of a 125s top end easily.
I have to agree, judging that based on a beginner skill level.

As you get faster, that will tighten up.
A novice will get maybe 20 to 25 hours and an expert or intermediate will get less than 20 good hours out of a 125 piston and rings if they are riding it hard.

The 125 sounds like the best option to learn on.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/29/401146/s1200_8F67D215_671F_47FF_B4B3_ED8DC1E2F281.jpg[/img] Here’s the bike went to have a look at


Here’s the bike went to have a look at
pie_obk wrote:
A newer 125 is going to be much better than dealing with some old clapped out bike. I know if you don't have a good running...
A newer 125 is going to be much better than dealing with some old clapped out bike. I know if you don't have a good running 2-stroke or the know-how to tune it, its a big deterrent.

My only advice if you choose the 125 route would be to continually push yourself, harder than you were expecting to. You definitely learn to ride better on a 2-stroke, but you've gotta work for it, and you've gotta make your mistakes. I'd even recommend taking ride lessons or shadowing some vets to get a leg up
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There’s a motocross association Near me do you think that it would be worth taking a couple classes with them?
Absolutely. I've been riding for over 20 years (trails mostly), and i did one day with Jimmy D and i'm like a completely new rider. Pointed out things that were so minor but made all the difference.

Sometimes unless you video record yourself riding, it's hard to pinpoint what you aren't doing right.
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125 no doubt. 250f gives beginner rider false confidence. You’ll actually have to learn how to corner first to hit jumps on a 125. 250f is smoother, but can definitely get away from you faster than a 125.
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125 no doubt. 250f gives beginner rider false confidence. You’ll actually have to learn how to corner first to hit jumps on a 125. 250f is...
125 no doubt. 250f gives beginner rider false confidence. You’ll actually have to learn how to corner first to hit jumps on a 125. 250f is smoother, but can definitely get away from you faster than a 125.
Good advice!
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250f all day long. You will absolutely love it and your skill and fun will go through the roof. It’s the most fun bike I’ve ever had hands down. Don’t listen to people about 2 strokes. No comparison.
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250f all day long. You will absolutely love it and your skill and fun will go through the roof. It’s the most fun bike I’ve ever...
250f all day long. You will absolutely love it and your skill and fun will go through the roof. It’s the most fun bike I’ve ever had hands down. Don’t listen to people about 2 strokes. No comparison.
Blasphemy!! Haha....J/K.........every person should ride what they have the most fun on , or feel the most competitive on. Every person and every situation is different. Have to choose what's best for yourself. I personally love all things moto , weather it's a 2 stroke or 4 stroke. I just prefer to stay on the 2 strokes at this time in my life.
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There’s a motocross association Near me do you think that it would be worth taking a couple classes with them?
jeffro503 wrote:
Heck yeah!! Getting some tips / help / info from some experienced MX riders is always a good thing. Pick their brain about the jetting thing...
Heck yeah!! Getting some tips / help / info from some experienced MX riders is always a good thing. Pick their brain about the jetting thing as well. Because , that alone can be the difference to a great time , to a bad time.
Jetting as in the carby?

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