Team Yamaha "Sh*t Show"

500guy wrote:

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019 Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I...

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019

Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I think your thoughts are mixed up.

500guy wrote:

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019 Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I...

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019

Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I think your thoughts are mixed up.

Ghostrider145 wrote:

Well there is concern with Barcia. He’s been off the pace the last few rounds and there hasn’t been one interview in two weekends. That’s never...

Well there is concern with Barcia. He’s been off the pace the last few rounds and there hasn’t been one interview in two weekends. That’s never a good sign.

Ghost

OLDMOTO wrote:

Who is the test rider for team Yamaha USA? Most factory teams have a semi-current former Supercross contender to test for them to help set up...

Who is the test rider for team Yamaha USA? Most factory teams have a semi-current former Supercross contender to test for them to help set up SX suspension and chassis. JB10 and Cunard at Honda, Tedesco at Procircuit ETC. I don't believe that Barcia, AP and Webb are good at testing. A few riders were good at it like RC4, most are not. Even Dungy used to mind fuck himself changing stuff. Bones at PC used to teach kids how to test. I even read stories about how they wouldn't change something and tell them that they had. Other times they would change something and not tell them. Is Travis Preston is the guy at Yamaha? If I recall he's very tall, rides differently and is fairly out of date with SX. Barcia is a little jockey boy. AP is taller but not as big as Preston.

500guy wrote:

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019 Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I...

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019

Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I think your thoughts are mixed up.

Spudnut wrote:

Budget cuts for the yz150f [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/28/400873/s1200_DC69857F_5988_40A9_A38A_5DE2CE1BBD95.jpg[/img]

Budget cuts for the yz150f

Jordan421 wrote:

The old school yz426f exhaust always gets me lol

Dirty Points wrote:

Right. So "rider selection" may not be the problem. A guy capable of winning a championship is the right rider selection, but presumably it was the...

Right. So "rider selection" may not be the problem. A guy capable of winning a championship is the right rider selection, but presumably it was the wrong environment to achieve that result.

slowgti wrote:

In my opinion, part of rider selection is keeping them on the brand. The bike gets raving reviews in the media, besides Bam Bam, they haven't...

In my opinion, part of rider selection is keeping them on the brand. The bike gets raving reviews in the media, besides Bam Bam, they haven't had very good results.

From the off season race interviews, Yamaha is listening to the riders a lot more on bike setup. Sounds like there was a disconnect between riders and management on setting up the bike.

Barcia is looking a lot better this year than he did last year and he says he likes the bike way more than he did last year.

Dirty Points wrote:

I don't think if Webb had stayed blue, he has a championship right now. And I am not necessarily blaming the bike (though it may factor)...

I don't think if Webb had stayed blue, he has a championship right now. And I am not necessarily blaming the bike (though it may factor).

But what happened is clear, and he has said it himself: He walked into a winning culture with championship-proven hardware and people, and bought in fully to the program in place there.

Alex.434 wrote:

[u]Yamaha 450 Supercross Titles[/u] 2008 - Yamaha 450 SX Championship - Reed 2009 - Yamaha 450 SX Championship - Stewart [u]450 SX Championships, since 2008, the...

Yamaha 450 Supercross Titles
2008 - Yamaha 450 SX Championship - Reed
2009 - Yamaha 450 SX Championship - Stewart

450 SX Championships, since 2008, the other OEMs have won...
KTM - 4 - Dungey, Webb
Kawasaki - 4 - Villopoto
Yamaha - 2
Suzuki - 1 - Dungey
Husqvarna - 1 - Anderson
Honda - 0

Yamaha 250 Supercross Titles
2008 - 250 SX West - Lawrence
2015 - 250 SX West - Webb
2016 - 250 SX West - Webb
2018 - 250 SX West - Plessinger
2019 - 250 SX West - Ferradis

250 SX Championships, since 2008, the other OEMs have won...
Honda - 8
Yamaha - 5
Kawasaki - 5
KTM - 3
Husqvarna - 2
Suzuki - 1

TOTAL SX CHAMPIONSHIPS
Kawasaki - 9
Honda - 8*
Yamaha - 7
KTM - 7
Husqvarna - 3**
Suzuki - 2

*Honda hasn't won a premier class SX title since 2003, 16 years ago.
**Husqvarna wasn't a serious SX racing brand from 2008-2015


Looking at the data, extending back into the early 80's, brands/riders go through streaks. OEMs have twice as many opportunities to win a regional SX title (East & West). Winning a 450 SX championships is extremely hard.

Ghostrider145 wrote:

Well there is concern with Barcia. He’s been off the pace the last few rounds and there hasn’t been one interview in two weekends. That’s never...

Well there is concern with Barcia. He’s been off the pace the last few rounds and there hasn’t been one interview in two weekends. That’s never a good sign.

Ghost

500guy wrote:

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019 Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I...

Yamaha won 1 MXGP and no MX2 GP's 2019

Right now 2020 Yamaha has 1 SX win and 2 SX2 Wins after 4 rounds , I think your thoughts are mixed up.

Ghostrider145 wrote:

Well there is concern with Barcia. He’s been off the pace the last few rounds and there hasn’t been one interview in two weekends. That’s never...

Well there is concern with Barcia. He’s been off the pace the last few rounds and there hasn’t been one interview in two weekends. That’s never a good sign.

Ghost

mattyhamz2 wrote:

He also somehow pulled off a second while being sick. I'd bet that took a ton out of him and he's trying to get over it...

He also somehow pulled off a second while being sick. I'd bet that took a ton out of him and he's trying to get over it now.

slowgti wrote:

In my opinion, part of rider selection is keeping them on the brand. The bike gets raving reviews in the media, besides Bam Bam, they haven't...

In my opinion, part of rider selection is keeping them on the brand. The bike gets raving reviews in the media, besides Bam Bam, they haven't had very good results.

From the off season race interviews, Yamaha is listening to the riders a lot more on bike setup. Sounds like there was a disconnect between riders and management on setting up the bike.

Barcia is looking a lot better this year than he did last year and he says he likes the bike way more than he did last year.

Dirty Points wrote:

I don't think if Webb had stayed blue, he has a championship right now. And I am not necessarily blaming the bike (though it may factor)...

I don't think if Webb had stayed blue, he has a championship right now. And I am not necessarily blaming the bike (though it may factor).

But what happened is clear, and he has said it himself: He walked into a winning culture with championship-proven hardware and people, and bought in fully to the program in place there.

slowgti wrote:

I think Webb would be a 5-10 guy if he stayed at Yamaha. There is something going on at Yamaha, not sure what, but the results...

I think Webb would be a 5-10 guy if he stayed at Yamaha. There is something going on at Yamaha, not sure what, but the results say a lot

JeepnMike wrote:

All of the Yamaha (450) bashing over the past years has always baffled me. At this point, it is almost evident (emotions aside) that the riders...

All of the Yamaha (450) bashing over the past years has always baffled me. At this point, it is almost evident (emotions aside) that the riders struggle with the bike which is a conclusion I never thought I would agree with. I think what baffles me is that Yamaha GP riders don't seem to have the same issues the American riders do. I realize they have access to different parts, but the bikes can't be that fundamentally different. I would say it is a SX thing, but outdoor results aren't far off from SX.

racerx217 wrote:

Does this mean there is something going on at KTM now? Still similar results

Racer111 wrote:

I thought it was referring to their rider selection for the last 5 years. Think about it. The Yamaha hasn’t consistently been on the Box since...

I thought it was referring to their rider selection for the last 5 years.

Think about it. The Yamaha hasn’t consistently been on the Box since James and Chad rode them. Crazy!

Dirty Points wrote:

Isn't one of their riders selected in the last 5 years carrying the #1 plate?

Racer111 wrote:

I thought it was referring to their rider selection for the last 5 years. Think about it. The Yamaha hasn’t consistently been on the Box since...

I thought it was referring to their rider selection for the last 5 years.

Think about it. The Yamaha hasn’t consistently been on the Box since James and Chad rode them. Crazy!

Dirty Points wrote:

Isn't one of their riders selected in the last 5 years carrying the #1 plate?

Racer111 wrote:

Not on a Yamaha he isn’t. They couldn’t set the bike up good enough for him. Which just goes to show what a shit show Factory...

Not on a Yamaha he isn’t. They couldn’t set the bike up good enough for him. Which just goes to show what a shit show Factory Yamaha is. Reed was vocal about it and everyone else’s results spoke about it. Barcia is obviously still struggling with set up from track to track.

Spudnut wrote:

Budget cuts for the yz150f [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/28/400873/s1200_DC69857F_5988_40A9_A38A_5DE2CE1BBD95.jpg[/img]

Budget cuts for the yz150f

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

All that engineering for a brand new motor....same gas tank from 1993 though. Suspicious to say the least

Dirty Points wrote:

Well, they did just completely re-engineer the 85, but kept the '93 style tank

JeepnMike wrote:

All of the Yamaha (450) bashing over the past years has always baffled me. At this point, it is almost evident (emotions aside) that the riders...

All of the Yamaha (450) bashing over the past years has always baffled me. At this point, it is almost evident (emotions aside) that the riders struggle with the bike which is a conclusion I never thought I would agree with. I think what baffles me is that Yamaha GP riders don't seem to have the same issues the American riders do. I realize they have access to different parts, but the bikes can't be that fundamentally different. I would say it is a SX thing, but outdoor results aren't far off from SX.

smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

All that engineering for a brand new motor....same gas tank from 1993 though. Suspicious to say the least

Dirty Points wrote:

Well, they did just completely re-engineer the 85, but kept the '93 style tank

Silvers_Racing wrote:

You guys do realize the tank is different starting in 02...the prior to 02 tank had the pipe come up higher and the tank had to...

You guys do realize the tank is different starting in 02...the prior to 02 tank had the pipe come up higher and the tank had to make room for it.

JeepnMike wrote:

All of the Yamaha (450) bashing over the past years has always baffled me. At this point, it is almost evident (emotions aside) that the riders...

All of the Yamaha (450) bashing over the past years has always baffled me. At this point, it is almost evident (emotions aside) that the riders struggle with the bike which is a conclusion I never thought I would agree with. I think what baffles me is that Yamaha GP riders don't seem to have the same issues the American riders do. I realize they have access to different parts, but the bikes can't be that fundamentally different. I would say it is a SX thing, but outdoor results aren't far off from SX.

Racer111 wrote:

The difference is over THERE they can use whatever they want. They do custom frames and the whole gauntlet in Europe. They can’t do that here...

The difference is over THERE they can use whatever they want. They do custom frames and the whole gauntlet in Europe. They can’t do that here. We have a production rule. They don’t.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Didn’t Barcia just win a 450sx on a Yamaha?

davistld01 wrote:

There was a post in a thread here that was about Aaron Plessinger, that hinted that Team Yamaha was going through some serious issues. I believe...

There was a post in a thread here that was about Aaron Plessinger, that hinted that Team Yamaha was going through some serious issues. I believe one poster said it was a "shit show". The gist of the problems...or so a member posted, was that Team Yamaha was no longer getting direct support or supplies from Yamaha of Japan.

Does anybody really know if this is the case or not? I think Team Suzuki had to reduce itself to using JGR as it's "factory" team because of limited Suzuki of Japan support with R&D, and factory equipment. Does this appear to be the case with Yamaha as well?

Spudnut wrote:

Budget cuts for the yz150f [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/28/400873/s1200_DC69857F_5988_40A9_A38A_5DE2CE1BBD95.jpg[/img]

Budget cuts for the yz150f