2021 CRF450

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

The HRC team is looking for way different characteristics than the average Joe. I was watching KR’s suspension in the whoops, it’s hardly moves. The average...

The HRC team is looking for way different characteristics than the average Joe. I was watching KR’s suspension in the whoops, it’s hardly moves. The average Joe would never want to ride suspension like that.

You’re talking apples and oranges when comparing a race team set up to average joe.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

The HRC team is looking for way different characteristics than the average Joe. I was watching KR’s suspension in the whoops, it’s hardly moves. The average...

The HRC team is looking for way different characteristics than the average Joe. I was watching KR’s suspension in the whoops, it’s hardly moves. The average Joe would never want to ride suspension like that.

You’re talking apples and oranges when comparing a race team set up to average joe.

H4L wrote:

Agree. Not the best comparison, but the point I was trying to make was if the AF is so rigid one would think even the race...

Agree. Not the best comparison, but the point I was trying to make was if the AF is so rigid one would think even the race team would use different frame mounts with better flex.
They did do that with the 17 model that ended up being on the production bikes for the 18 model year.
I’m no pro by any means & own 18 & 20 models. Even though Honda changed the frame on the 19 to give it more rigidity towards the back half of the chassis I can’t really tell the difference. As you know there are other variables that come into play with suspension set up being crucial as one of the main factors.

kiwifan wrote:

I suspect they may 'calm' the chassis down a fraction, personally I hope they dont do a hydro clutch, suspension settings were ok ...just the chassis...

I suspect they may 'calm' the chassis down a fraction, personally I hope they dont do a hydro clutch, suspension settings were ok ...just the chassis requires careful setup thats all

MxKing809 wrote:

Why would you want to keep a cable clutch? It’s complete garbage and the stock basket/plates are trashed in 8 hours.

Lastander wrote:

8? How did you manage to last that long?

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

The HRC team is looking for way different characteristics than the average Joe. I was watching KR’s suspension in the whoops, it’s hardly moves. The average...

The HRC team is looking for way different characteristics than the average Joe. I was watching KR’s suspension in the whoops, it’s hardly moves. The average Joe would never want to ride suspension like that.

You’re talking apples and oranges when comparing a race team set up to average joe.

H4L wrote:

Agree. Not the best comparison, but the point I was trying to make was if the AF is so rigid one would think even the race...

Agree. Not the best comparison, but the point I was trying to make was if the AF is so rigid one would think even the race team would use different frame mounts with better flex.
They did do that with the 17 model that ended up being on the production bikes for the 18 model year.
I’m no pro by any means & own 18 & 20 models. Even though Honda changed the frame on the 19 to give it more rigidity towards the back half of the chassis I can’t really tell the difference. As you know there are other variables that come into play with suspension set up being crucial as one of the main factors.

kiwifan wrote:

100% agree. Part of the package that comes with the Honda is knowing you will likely have to have a few setup scenarios ready for each...

100% agree.

Part of the package that comes with the Honda is knowing you will likely have to have a few setup scenarios ready for each track i.e. one setting will not rule them all

I think Honda will have a tunable mapping tool for their bikes ala Yamaha in 2021 (ok ok hoping so)

spimx wrote:

I heard from a reliable source tipple exhaust or true dual for 2021

spimx wrote:

I heard from a reliable source tipple exhaust or true dual for 2021

mg311 wrote:

i heard from an excellent source frame change it will thinner like yzf

MZ193 wrote:

I’ll never buy an honda. Either a zook or a fantic, but never an honda.

vitalriderCrf wrote:

Thanks for letting us know, we were really worried that you might buy one.

kiwifan wrote:

I suspect they may 'calm' the chassis down a fraction, personally I hope they dont do a hydro clutch, suspension settings were ok ...just the chassis...

I suspect they may 'calm' the chassis down a fraction, personally I hope they dont do a hydro clutch, suspension settings were ok ...just the chassis requires careful setup thats all

MxKing809 wrote:

Why would you want to keep a cable clutch? It’s complete garbage and the stock basket/plates are trashed in 8 hours.

kiwifan wrote:

I prefer the feel of the cable clutch, as for the basket/plates, easy fix, I slap on a Hinson ...then again on this bike you do...

I prefer the feel of the cable clutch, as for the basket/plates, easy fix, I slap on a Hinson ...then again on this bike you do not HAVE to thrash the clutch, so I actually never had a major issue with the standard clutch, if you want to clutch the fuck out of it out of every corner (like for magazine photo shoots, etc) then yeah it wont last long... I only use a Hinson as used them for years, call it habit

ML512 wrote:

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors...

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors of what could change but nothing super reliable. One such was possibility of single side exhaust...but once again, not sure on how true it would be.

MZ193 wrote:

I’ll never buy an honda. Either a zook or a fantic, but never an honda.

vitalriderCrf wrote:

Thanks for letting us know, we were really worried that you might buy one.

MZ193 wrote:

People shouldnt buy hondas. For their mental health. I can understand a street-bike, like a cbf, the new cb500f is an awesome bike. But in motocross...

People shouldnt buy hondas. For their mental health. I can understand a street-bike, like a cbf, the new cb500f is an awesome bike. But in motocross, they just suck.

ML512 wrote:

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors...

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors of what could change but nothing super reliable. One such was possibility of single side exhaust...but once again, not sure on how true it would be.

Dymas_Schrik wrote:

Yep it is, single exhaust on the 450 atleast! Just seen it from gajser in sardinie, ☹

ML512 wrote:

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors...

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors of what could change but nothing super reliable. One such was possibility of single side exhaust...but once again, not sure on how true it would be.

Dymas_Schrik wrote:

Yep it is, single exhaust on the 450 atleast! Just seen it from gajser in sardinie, ☹

hubbardmx50 wrote:

Any pictures?

MZ193 wrote:

People shouldnt buy hondas. For their mental health. I can understand a street-bike, like a cbf, the new cb500f is an awesome bike. But in motocross...

People shouldnt buy hondas. For their mental health. I can understand a street-bike, like a cbf, the new cb500f is an awesome bike. But in motocross, they just suck.

ML512 wrote:

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors...

Should be a nearly all-new machine again. 2020 was year 4 of the cycle, which is what Honda usually sticks to. I’ve heard a few rumors of what could change but nothing super reliable. One such was possibility of single side exhaust...but once again, not sure on how true it would be.

Dymas_Schrik wrote:

Yep it is, single exhaust on the 450 atleast! Just seen it from gajser in sardinie, ☹

kiwifan wrote:

I suspect they may 'calm' the chassis down a fraction, personally I hope they dont do a hydro clutch, suspension settings were ok ...just the chassis...

I suspect they may 'calm' the chassis down a fraction, personally I hope they dont do a hydro clutch, suspension settings were ok ...just the chassis requires careful setup thats all

MxKing809 wrote:

Why would you want to keep a cable clutch? It’s complete garbage and the stock basket/plates are trashed in 8 hours.

Lastander wrote:

8? How did you manage to last that long?

MxKing809 wrote:

Why would you want to keep a cable clutch? It’s complete garbage and the stock basket/plates are trashed in 8 hours.

Lastander wrote:

8? How did you manage to last that long?

MotoMan12345 wrote:

I got 128 hours of deep pit sand ripping on my 19 CRF. Never even changed a clutch let alone opening the engine.

Lastander wrote:

8? How did you manage to last that long?

MotoMan12345 wrote:

I got 128 hours of deep pit sand ripping on my 19 CRF. Never even changed a clutch let alone opening the engine.

hubbardmx50 wrote:

Same here I’m at 114 hours haven’t even checked my valves and still using the stock clutch. Maybe I’m not as fast as you guys

jock wrote:

I have an 06 with 213 hrs, Has had a couple of JE pistons put in, ProX steel intakes at 70 hrs, still not have had...

I have an 06 with 213 hrs, Has had a couple of JE pistons put in, ProX steel intakes at 70 hrs, still not have had to shim them, and just replaced the original clutch. I have been running a Rekluse EXP2 since 2012 though.

cody41 wrote:

I feel like people need to add their riding skill after they make an hour meter statement about a bike. (Front, mid, back of pack A,B,C)...

I feel like people need to add their riding skill after they make an hour meter statement about a bike. (Front, mid, back of pack A,B,C). I just don’t see some of the high hours people get out of stock clutches etc. unless they’re slow c riders.