Against the law for Eli to pay JS17?

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swizcore 10/24/2019 4:40pm
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Eli shoulda just said no comment.
This is akin to "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"...

Public opinion could only go down based on his "justification". What a crock of shit.
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jorgechavez 10/24/2019 5:01pm
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So the entire year they were teammates Joey said nothing to Eli about this? I’m not trying to defend Eli but I feel like Joeys frustrations don’t just lie with not getting compensated and more with him not being re-signed. Just my opinion.
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gnarwhip 10/24/2019 5:29pm
10/24/2019 5:29pm Edited Date/Time 10/24/2019 5:30pm
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look for Monster, Feld and everyone if they admitted to anything “under the table”.
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gnarwhip wrote:
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look...
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look for Monster, Feld and everyone if they admitted to anything “under the table”.
Exactly.
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gnarwhip wrote:
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look...
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look for Monster, Feld and everyone if they admitted to anything “under the table”.
Ck Swapmoto JS 17 podcast. Then delete yer comment. 🤣
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Didn't Sorevagina set the standard on tipping ?
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Timo_2824 10/24/2019 6:39pm
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Unless it was talked about and agreed on before the race, I wouldn't expect Eli to pay anything.
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tttrailhunter 10/24/2019 6:56pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look...
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look for Monster, Feld and everyone if they admitted to anything “under the table”.
you dont actually think that do you baldrick?

its a cunning plan.
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dirtdog36 10/24/2019 6:57pm
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Sour grapes from JS. Sad thing is he’s so short sighted all this talk has probably got someone at Monster saying “no matter what we will never sponsor him again “

Monster doesn’t want this to continue to be a topic so Joey just cut off a potential future sponsor
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jorgechavez wrote:
So the entire year they were teammates Joey said nothing to Eli about this? I’m not trying to defend Eli but I feel like Joeys frustrations...
So the entire year they were teammates Joey said nothing to Eli about this? I’m not trying to defend Eli but I feel like Joeys frustrations don’t just lie with not getting compensated and more with him not being re-signed. Just my opinion.
Joey knew he wasn't getting re-signed before signing on the dotted line so that's a non issue.
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gnarwhip 10/24/2019 7:38pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look...
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look for Monster, Feld and everyone if they admitted to anything “under the table”.
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Ck Swapmoto JS 17 podcast. Then delete yer comment. 🤣
Yeah I listened to it weeks ago. Maybe he was acting and playing dumb. Come on, you don’t think they had that scenario already worked out in the truck before the final main? Please.
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haydos25 10/24/2019 7:47pm
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In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes.

Whether it was discussed prior or not i think he should've atleast slung him 10-20k. The only thing that's certain is that Joey made it a hell of a lot easier for him then he could've. A lot of good will could've gone his way for very little effort on his part.
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tttrailhunter 10/24/2019 8:12pm
10/24/2019 8:12pm
gnarwhip wrote:
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look...
You guys are so gullible. I’ll bet Tomac paid him, but they all agreed to say nothing happened. Jesus. It would obviously be a bad look for Monster, Feld and everyone if they admitted to anything “under the table”.
WowWowWubzy wrote:
Ck Swapmoto JS 17 podcast. Then delete yer comment. 🤣
gnarwhip wrote:
Yeah I listened to it weeks ago. Maybe he was acting and playing dumb. Come on, you don’t think they had that scenario already worked out...
Yeah I listened to it weeks ago. Maybe he was acting and playing dumb. Come on, you don’t think they had that scenario already worked out in the truck before the final main? Please.
okay ill spell it out for you.

if it was a cunning plan as you, baldrick says,
then js17 would have NEVER said anything in the first place and no one would be the wiser.

you cant be that dumb not to see that, or can you?
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tttrailhunter 10/24/2019 8:19pm
10/24/2019 8:19pm
haydos25 wrote:
In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes. Whether it was discussed prior...
In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes.

Whether it was discussed prior or not i think he should've atleast slung him 10-20k. The only thing that's certain is that Joey made it a hell of a lot easier for him then he could've. A lot of good will could've gone his way for very little effort on his part.
give me a break, australians are often the most selfish, fck you jack im alright people in the world.

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tingo 10/24/2019 8:20pm
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zippytech wrote:
I just don't understand why anyone thinks Eli owes hims anything, Joey made the mistake , not Eli...
AZRider wrote:
Its just professional courtesy. Wasnt required, but something that could have made ET look good from a PR standpoint. Paying it forward is a good thing.
I can’t think of any sport where it is considered professional to pay a competitor. Quite the opposite, actually, especially when it comes to racing.
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haydos25 10/24/2019 8:40pm
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I can’t think of any sport where it is considered professional to pay a competitor. Quite the opposite, actually, especially when it comes to racing.
He may be a competitor. But he's also a team mate.

Like it or not the Savatgy gave up his only chance at a win to benefit Eli and the team. Effectively giving him an extra 900k. But Eli wouldnt break him off 10 or 20 to say thanks i appreciate it? Thats poor form in anyones language
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haydos25 10/24/2019 8:43pm
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haydos25 wrote:
In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes. Whether it was discussed prior...
In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes.

Whether it was discussed prior or not i think he should've atleast slung him 10-20k. The only thing that's certain is that Joey made it a hell of a lot easier for him then he could've. A lot of good will could've gone his way for very little effort on his part.
tttrailhunter wrote:
give me a break, australians are often the most selfish, fck you jack im alright people in the world.

Are we?

Ok cool. i stand corrected Eli was right to stiff the bloke that helped him earn an extra 900k. Especially after he agreed to give him something, then halfway through the year bailed on the idea.

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Chris_Cooksey 10/24/2019 8:43pm
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zippytech wrote:
I just don't understand why anyone thinks Eli owes hims anything, Joey made the mistake , not Eli...
AZRider wrote:
Its just professional courtesy. Wasnt required, but something that could have made ET look good from a PR standpoint. Paying it forward is a good thing.
tingo wrote:
I can’t think of any sport where it is considered professional to pay a competitor. Quite the opposite, actually, especially when it comes to racing.
Isn’t this common practice in cycling? I am not an expert on cycling so if I am wrong I apologize.
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TDeath21 10/24/2019 9:10pm
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He should give him something but he doesn’t have to. Joey was an idiot for letting him by. It was pretty clear Kawi had their eyes on AC the entire time. Shoulda went out there and got possibly the only “main” event win of his career. If he retires without one win, he will regret this forever. Yes it’s only one moto but it still is a big deal.
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Lock him up!! Lock him up!


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Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had him. I prefer earning what I get as opposed to receiving handouts and favors. Plus, it just creates a hollow victory by making everyone think “Oh he probably wouldn’t have won the million if Savatgy didn’t help him out.” Then Savatgy expects to be compensated for it? lol Like I said, I guess I’m in the minority because I expect to race fairly. Don’t do me dirty, but don’t do me any favors either. When you lay down at night, there’s a certain peace of mind that comes from knowing you earned everything fair and square.

I think Tomac was gonna pass him regardless. I think Tomac knew it. I think Savatgy knew it. I think Savatgy waved him by hoping to get a kickback knowing Tomac was going to pass him anyway. I mean hell, if you’re gonna get passed, you might as well get paid for it, right?
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TDeath21 10/24/2019 10:02pm
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had...
Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had him. I prefer earning what I get as opposed to receiving handouts and favors. Plus, it just creates a hollow victory by making everyone think “Oh he probably wouldn’t have won the million if Savatgy didn’t help him out.” Then Savatgy expects to be compensated for it? lol Like I said, I guess I’m in the minority because I expect to race fairly. Don’t do me dirty, but don’t do me any favors either. When you lay down at night, there’s a certain peace of mind that comes from knowing you earned everything fair and square.

I think Tomac was gonna pass him regardless. I think Tomac knew it. I think Savatgy knew it. I think Savatgy waved him by hoping to get a kickback knowing Tomac was going to pass him anyway. I mean hell, if you’re gonna get passed, you might as well get paid for it, right?
He wasn’t going to make the pass without a Savatgy slip up. Tomac was about a second to a second and a half faster but Joey started that final lap 2+ seconds up. He’d have made it close but Savatgy had it.
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haydos25 10/24/2019 10:06pm
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had...
Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had him. I prefer earning what I get as opposed to receiving handouts and favors. Plus, it just creates a hollow victory by making everyone think “Oh he probably wouldn’t have won the million if Savatgy didn’t help him out.” Then Savatgy expects to be compensated for it? lol Like I said, I guess I’m in the minority because I expect to race fairly. Don’t do me dirty, but don’t do me any favors either. When you lay down at night, there’s a certain peace of mind that comes from knowing you earned everything fair and square.

I think Tomac was gonna pass him regardless. I think Tomac knew it. I think Savatgy knew it. I think Savatgy waved him by hoping to get a kickback knowing Tomac was going to pass him anyway. I mean hell, if you’re gonna get passed, you might as well get paid for it, right?
So you'd give the extra 900k back? I mean if its not a fair race then its important you should be able to sleep at night, you'd just hand it back right?

Tomac wasn't going to pass him, not a chance. Savatgy, slowed right up the whole last lap, not just when he was passed.
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Bearuno 10/24/2019 10:18pm
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If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event fixing', would bring hell down on those involved. Woohoo Whistling
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snackfedbear 10/24/2019 10:23pm
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Bearuno wrote:
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event...
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event fixing', would bring hell down on those involved. Woohoo Whistling
I’m pretty sure if savatgy got paid no one would have known.
Chris_Cooksey 10/24/2019 10:25pm
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Bearuno wrote:
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event...
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event fixing', would bring hell down on those involved. Woohoo Whistling
True, but from my limited knowledge on game/race fixing I believe intent matters and both guys are adamant that they didn’t plan the outcome. With that said, if I were in Eli’s position I would give a huge X-mas present to the Savatgy family. No law about holiday gift giving ..
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Bearuno 10/24/2019 10:43pm
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Bearuno wrote:
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event...
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event fixing', would bring hell down on those involved. Woohoo Whistling
Chris_Cooksey wrote:
True, but from my limited knowledge on game/race fixing I believe intent matters and both guys are adamant that they didn’t plan the outcome. With that...
True, but from my limited knowledge on game/race fixing I believe intent matters and both guys are adamant that they didn’t plan the outcome. With that said, if I were in Eli’s position I would give a huge X-mas present to the Savatgy family. No law about holiday gift giving ..
Of course there would be ways around 'it'.

I'd have no problem with something like your said X-mas present being 'discovered' on the JS doorstep. And, conversely, I don't (particularly) 'hate' on Tomac for not gifting JS something. Though, it does seem churlish.

But mate, you should see the 'vigor' that Bookies / Gaming Authorities / Insurance Companies can put into investigations, when they think they've been taken / rules have been broken, that have cost them money / earnings. Hell Hath No Fury (to bastardize William Shakespeare's original), Like Those In Power", that think they've been 'gamed'.


lostboy819 10/24/2019 11:04pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
He wasn’t going to make the pass without a Savatgy slip up. Tomac was about a second to a second and a half faster but Joey...
He wasn’t going to make the pass without a Savatgy slip up. Tomac was about a second to a second and a half faster but Joey started that final lap 2+ seconds up. He’d have made it close but Savatgy had it.
JS17 was way more then 2 seconds ahead of Osborne when they started the last lap for the championship in Vegas that year and Osborne still had time to blow him up, so I am sure ET would have run him down with time to spare. Cool
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