Cycle News. GasGas to enter motocross in all classes. Stefan Pierer.

miketherider wrote:

They throw that KYB SOS suspension on them and I’ll be on line to buy a red KTM.

Press516 wrote:

Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling...

Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling on the current GasGas is fantastic.

I get it, when you has the $$, you makes the calls....

agn5009 wrote:

Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...

Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.

kb228 wrote:

Well yea all of that goes without saying. But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a...

Well yea all of that goes without saying.

But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a race between mfgs.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Nothing is stopping any of the other manufacturers to do the same thing. The other brands have deep pockets. Just have to open up the wallet...

Nothing is stopping any of the other manufacturers to do the same thing. The other brands have deep pockets.

Just have to open up the wallet and support more riders/teams.

XC706 wrote:

I agree with Press516, makes the most business sense and the bikes will lose 20 lbs. but I was really hoping for a proper 200 based...

I agree with Press516, makes the most business sense and the bikes will lose 20 lbs. but I was really hoping for a proper 200 based on a 125 chassis and something unique like a 400 2T.

Johnny Depp wrote:

The Gas Gas 200 (stillborn) was going into a full size chassis. Beta makes the slightly smaller chassis 200 and 125 . Gas Gas didn't make...

The Gas Gas 200 (stillborn) was going into a full size chassis. Beta makes the slightly smaller chassis 200 and 125
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Gas Gas didn't make a 4t so there is nothing to lose in character there.

Sir wrote:

A missed opportunity if GasGas end up becoming a rebranded KTM. This could be an the ideal time for KTM to try out aluminum frames and...

A missed opportunity if GasGas end up becoming a rebranded KTM. This could be an the ideal time for KTM to try out aluminum frames and see how it works out on the GasGas models along with any other ideas KTM has but weren't to keen to give it a go on their own bikes.

Bearuno wrote:

Gas Gas made 4 strokes. They had 400 , 450, and 515 ( goodness knows what capacity it actually was) around the 2006 / 2010 (...

Gas Gas made 4 strokes.

They had 400 , 450, and 515 ( goodness knows what capacity it actually was) around the 2006 / 2010 ( and, either side of those years, I just don't recall when they first released them, and then stopped them). Their Own motors. I can't recall which year, but one year, or two, it won the 400/450 shootouts in ADB. Cracking frames, and, I think some incomplete welds, on the down tube / oil reservoir area, was a bit of a problem for some.

Under the FS, and Pampera name.

Though, the Pampera name has been used on a w i d e variety of bikes over the years by Gas Gas - 2 strokes, 4 strokes using their engines, or, other brands engines. Pamperas were, generally, DS bikes or, sort of, 'soft' LDTBs- Long Day Trials Bikes.

They also made, for a few years, a 250 ( and, a big bore, around a 280?). Using the five valve Yamaha engine. It was also used in another Gas Gas offshoot / partner, brand- Reiju (sp?).

Their 200s they had, for quite some years, were based on the 250 engine, to my recall. A 125 based one, may have ended up existing, but, I never came across said beasty. I worked at a Gas Gas dealer for a while.

Press516 wrote:

Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling...

Kind of sucks to see him say that it will go to KTM platforms and engines... It will lose the GasGas personality completely. Suspension and handling on the current GasGas is fantastic.

I get it, when you has the $$, you makes the calls....

Jeremy Macbeth wrote:

So you're saying the powerplant gives the motorcycle "personality?" With so much "personality" why aren't GasGas motorcycles selling like hotcakes? There's nothing particularly special about GasGas...

So you're saying the powerplant gives the motorcycle "personality?" With so much "personality" why aren't GasGas motorcycles selling like hotcakes?

There's nothing particularly special about GasGas motors.

Bearuno wrote:

Gas Gas made 4 strokes. They had 400 , 450, and 515 ( goodness knows what capacity it actually was) around the 2006 / 2010 (...

Gas Gas made 4 strokes.

They had 400 , 450, and 515 ( goodness knows what capacity it actually was) around the 2006 / 2010 ( and, either side of those years, I just don't recall when they first released them, and then stopped them). Their Own motors. I can't recall which year, but one year, or two, it won the 400/450 shootouts in ADB. Cracking frames, and, I think some incomplete welds, on the down tube / oil reservoir area, was a bit of a problem for some.

Under the FS, and Pampera name.

Though, the Pampera name has been used on a w i d e variety of bikes over the years by Gas Gas - 2 strokes, 4 strokes using their engines, or, other brands engines. Pamperas were, generally, DS bikes or, sort of, 'soft' LDTBs- Long Day Trials Bikes.

They also made, for a few years, a 250 ( and, a big bore, around a 280?). Using the five valve Yamaha engine. It was also used in another Gas Gas offshoot / partner, brand- Reiju (sp?).

Their 200s they had, for quite some years, were based on the 250 engine, to my recall. A 125 based one, may have ended up existing, but, I never came across said beasty. I worked at a Gas Gas dealer for a while.

GODZILLA wrote:

I think the 1st year for the 400 was 2002. Although largely "inspired" by the 400 DRZ, GG 4 strokes were terribly unreliable for several years...

I think the 1st year for the 400 was 2002.
Although largely "inspired" by the 400 DRZ, GG 4 strokes were terribly unreliable for several years. They played a major role in the brand's first bankruptcy.

Ted722 wrote:

Any chance Monster could grace the shrouds? Monster GasGas sure has a ring to it.

Goon645 wrote:

Very interesting - they made great bikes for enduro/offroad and I dont get why KTM is just flooding the market with their own bikes in different...

Very interesting - they made great bikes for enduro/offroad and I dont get why KTM is just flooding the market with their own bikes in different guises. If people dont like the feel of a KTM they will now write off GasGas and Husky too.

Why not keep GasGas as a brand unique - introduce it to the GNCC or Worcs arenas where they have got tons of existing R&D data which is a directly transferable...

Crossup wrote:

...more OA market share, more dealers, manufacturing efficiencies, etc...

Dani247 wrote:

Jorge Prado to Gas Gas in 2021.

Crossup wrote:

...more OA market share, more dealers, manufacturing efficiencies, etc...

Goon645 wrote:

thats fine - but they can retain the existing GasGas tooling and just utilise KTM group's already established and far superior distribution network. Offer the geniune...

thats fine - but they can retain the existing GasGas tooling and just utilise KTM group's already established and far superior distribution network. Offer the geniune GasGas but to a wider audience than GasGas would have previously. Another KTM in disguise is going to be a flop imo but lets see.

agn5009 wrote:

Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built...

Or it’s easier to win because you sell tons of bikes, have a great business plan, great team, great riders, etc. who your business is built around will depend how successful it is.

kb228 wrote:

Well yea all of that goes without saying. But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a...

Well yea all of that goes without saying.

But 1 company taking up 50% of the field turns racing into a numbers game rather than a race between mfgs.

agn5009 wrote:

No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done...

No it doesn’t. It gives more riders a good team to ride for. it amazes me how many people complain about a company who has done nothing but great things for this sport.

Vital: “we need more factory teams. These guys deserve to get paid!!”

Ktm: “we hear you loud and clear vital. We’re gonna get these guys on a bunch of different teams and bikes to give them the best chance possible to succeed. While doing so we also want our company to be highly successful.

Vital: fuck ktm. They offer too many bikes in different brands/colors. They need to stop paying these athletes money to ride their bikes because the majority will be on those brands rather than my beloved Suzuki’s!