Privateer life... unbelievable

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8/10/2019 11:31am
Moto331 wrote:
Saw this on fb [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/09/365484/s1200_A06E0EC2_A5ED_4297_86C6_7F40CB8DC29B.jpg[/img]
Saw this on fb
Same as it ever was...
8/10/2019 11:41am
JM485 wrote:
I don't think this sport is nearly as small as people would want you to believe. . . The fact that a guy who made it...
I don't think this sport is nearly as small as people would want you to believe. . .

The fact that a guy who made it into the show let alone pulled a top 20 is doing roofs for income on the side is just pathetic and these guys deserve better. It's just amazing to me that the payout is so pathetic, I can make more money than that at a hillclimb if I do well, a fucking hillclimb, that nobody on earth gives two shits about besides the people there (my ego wants me to believe this isn't true but unfortunately my grasp on reality is relatively solid). I'll gladly pay $2 more for my hangtown ticket every year if it went directly to the payout, and I think pretty much anyone else would be happy to as well.
I think you have it backwards. He does roofing for a living so he can afford to race just like most people, you work to pay for the things you want in life and unfortunately like most of us he cant make a living racing.
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8/10/2019 11:41am
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Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same...
Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same gate as the best riders n the world. 20th place privateers can’t hang with the leaders for 2 corners and within 15 minutes they are being lapped. Fans don’t pay $$$ to watch privateers. There would be zero TV coverage if it was only the privateers. Are they extremely talented riders? Of course they are. But they need to understand they are not going to make a good living with the talent they have. If they aren’t happy about the situation then stay closer to home and make decent spending money at local pro races. If it was me I would be thrilled to be able to race in front of 20,000 fans. But I’d also understand why I needed to go to a real job on Monday. There will never be big purses/dollars for these guys, never has been that way and it’s not going to change
I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a single thing to professional racing for me as a spectator. Anyone that can qualify for a national or a sx night show has ten times the talent I have on a bike but when I'm watching a race, privateers are speed bumps, they're moving obstacles for the top guys. Not sure what these guys are worth to the show when they're just riding around getting blue flags waved at them after a few laps? Blame it on whatever you want but they're just not on the level of the top guys.
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8/10/2019 11:49am
Well let's just have a 5 person race then.
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I had Hartranft And Robin both on my fantasy team , not been a good fantasy series for me at all this year and that just fits, I c as n always pick the guys that wont finish the race or crash etc
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8/10/2019 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2019 12:36pm
KennyT wrote:
Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same...
Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same gate as the best riders n the world. 20th place privateers can’t hang with the leaders for 2 corners and within 15 minutes they are being lapped. Fans don’t pay $$$ to watch privateers. There would be zero TV coverage if it was only the privateers. Are they extremely talented riders? Of course they are. But they need to understand they are not going to make a good living with the talent they have. If they aren’t happy about the situation then stay closer to home and make decent spending money at local pro races. If it was me I would be thrilled to be able to race in front of 20,000 fans. But I’d also understand why I needed to go to a real job on Monday. There will never be big purses/dollars for these guys, never has been that way and it’s not going to change
PTECH wrote:
I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a...
I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a single thing to professional racing for me as a spectator. Anyone that can qualify for a national or a sx night show has ten times the talent I have on a bike but when I'm watching a race, privateers are speed bumps, they're moving obstacles for the top guys. Not sure what these guys are worth to the show when they're just riding around getting blue flags waved at them after a few laps? Blame it on whatever you want but they're just not on the level of the top guys.
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt that , but you take the better riders and put them in faster better handling bikes , and that's the result you get , it's like 2 separate races and A and a B race on the track at the same time
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8/10/2019 12:40pm
KennyT wrote:
Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same...
Sorry I just don’t have a bit of sympathy for the guy. They aren’t being forced to have the opportunity to line up on the same gate as the best riders n the world. 20th place privateers can’t hang with the leaders for 2 corners and within 15 minutes they are being lapped. Fans don’t pay $$$ to watch privateers. There would be zero TV coverage if it was only the privateers. Are they extremely talented riders? Of course they are. But they need to understand they are not going to make a good living with the talent they have. If they aren’t happy about the situation then stay closer to home and make decent spending money at local pro races. If it was me I would be thrilled to be able to race in front of 20,000 fans. But I’d also understand why I needed to go to a real job on Monday. There will never be big purses/dollars for these guys, never has been that way and it’s not going to change
PTECH wrote:
I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a...
I gotta say I agree with this. Its probably going to rub a lot of people the wrong way but IMO the privateers don't bring a single thing to professional racing for me as a spectator. Anyone that can qualify for a national or a sx night show has ten times the talent I have on a bike but when I'm watching a race, privateers are speed bumps, they're moving obstacles for the top guys. Not sure what these guys are worth to the show when they're just riding around getting blue flags waved at them after a few laps? Blame it on whatever you want but they're just not on the level of the top guys.
I agree to some extent. Are the majority of the fan base there to see the privateers? No. But I guarantee you each privateer adds a few members to the attendance at the races near their home towns.
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8/10/2019 1:15pm
mxtech1 wrote:
It's not likely that the riders are going to come together and "strike" a series or event to get their point across. I imagine most riders...
It's not likely that the riders are going to come together and "strike" a series or event to get their point across. I imagine most riders on a salary have specific contract language that prevents from doing so and the privateers can't afford not to.

But, what if we fans did something?? If the fans boycotted attending SX events, how long would Feld hold off? What would the national promoters do if all the fans stayed home for peaceful protest?

Social media is a powerful tool. I cannot fathom that it would be that difficult to stage fan strikes to try and force something to be done.

Thoughts?
Thoughts on what? Bizarre. I haven't ever seen(in 38 years) any person(s) boycott my job to pay me more money.

The first thing to happen in a rider boycott would be a flood of new riders. "You mean I could qualify for a pro sx:?

I'm in!". "I have a chance at bonus money"? etc.

Horse racing in Texas can barely make it. Texas. Horse racing.

If there was a fan boycott and it meant the promoter going broke or making less profit, they would just shut it down

and do something else.

My parents were lower middle income at best. They did find a way for me to race(bless em) but if anything big broke

it could be along time before it was fixed. There is a lot of private money in mx(not always). Witness the Battlestar

Galactica motor homes at races. Their boy/girl might race for a few years and even have some success. But in the end,

nearly all eventually realize the chances of breaking even will never happen. Notice I didn't say make a living.

Lastly, ever notice "millionaire" champion mx stars have jobs? Villapoto, McGrath, DeCoster, Hannah...

Even for the best of the best(say retiring at 28), they are(hopefully) looking at another 50 years. If this is so(and it is),

what possible chance does the privateer have at ever breaking even? Close to zero.
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8/10/2019 1:37pm
JM485 wrote:
I don't think this sport is nearly as small as people would want you to believe. . . The fact that a guy who made it...
I don't think this sport is nearly as small as people would want you to believe. . .

The fact that a guy who made it into the show let alone pulled a top 20 is doing roofs for income on the side is just pathetic and these guys deserve better. It's just amazing to me that the payout is so pathetic, I can make more money than that at a hillclimb if I do well, a fucking hillclimb, that nobody on earth gives two shits about besides the people there (my ego wants me to believe this isn't true but unfortunately my grasp on reality is relatively solid). I'll gladly pay $2 more for my hangtown ticket every year if it went directly to the payout, and I think pretty much anyone else would be happy to as well.
lostboy819 wrote:
I think you have it backwards. He does roofing for a living so he can afford to race just like most people, you work to pay...
I think you have it backwards. He does roofing for a living so he can afford to race just like most people, you work to pay for the things you want in life and unfortunately like most of us he cant make a living racing.
Yes lostboy819. Yet, JM485 thinks mx is bigger than you think. I wonder where he races. There are less tracks than

before(70's/80's/90's). Less riders. A local race(now) will be very familiar to anyone that raced during the last 40 years.

About the same turnout, about the same amenities(porta johns), dusty, poor location, plastic trophies. Maybe a

difference might be more dangerous and costs more.

This notion of paying even more money so that a rider can make even more money is bizarre. Nobody comes to me at

my job and hands me more money. This just isn't reality. Why don't you give way more than $2? Like $2,000?
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8/10/2019 1:38pm
When a rider can make more at a Friday night local race than finishing top 15 in a 250 Supercross race. You may have an issue. You can make more playing cornhole professionally than racing motocross
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8/10/2019 1:38pm
Tarz483 wrote:
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt...
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt that , but you take the better riders and put them in faster better handling bikes , and that's the result you get , it's like 2 separate races and A and a B race on the track at the same time
It ain't the bike holding them back. You could put everyone on the same exact bike and the results would still be the same.
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JM485 wrote:
I don't think this sport is nearly as small as people would want you to believe. . . The fact that a guy who made it...
I don't think this sport is nearly as small as people would want you to believe. . .

The fact that a guy who made it into the show let alone pulled a top 20 is doing roofs for income on the side is just pathetic and these guys deserve better. It's just amazing to me that the payout is so pathetic, I can make more money than that at a hillclimb if I do well, a fucking hillclimb, that nobody on earth gives two shits about besides the people there (my ego wants me to believe this isn't true but unfortunately my grasp on reality is relatively solid). I'll gladly pay $2 more for my hangtown ticket every year if it went directly to the payout, and I think pretty much anyone else would be happy to as well.
lostboy819 wrote:
I think you have it backwards. He does roofing for a living so he can afford to race just like most people, you work to pay...
I think you have it backwards. He does roofing for a living so he can afford to race just like most people, you work to pay for the things you want in life and unfortunately like most of us he cant make a living racing.
TexasVet wrote:
Yes lostboy819. Yet, JM485 thinks mx is bigger than you think. I wonder where he races. There are less tracks than before(70's/80's/90's). Less riders. A local...
Yes lostboy819. Yet, JM485 thinks mx is bigger than you think. I wonder where he races. There are less tracks than

before(70's/80's/90's). Less riders. A local race(now) will be very familiar to anyone that raced during the last 40 years.

About the same turnout, about the same amenities(porta johns), dusty, poor location, plastic trophies. Maybe a

difference might be more dangerous and costs more.

This notion of paying even more money so that a rider can make even more money is bizarre. Nobody comes to me at

my job and hands me more money. This just isn't reality. Why don't you give way more than $2? Like $2,000?
If you want to pretend I’m an idiot that’s fine, we can play that game if you’re inclined to do so.

Guess what, it didn’t cost you $40 to get through the gate to the race back in the 70s. Guess what, it didn’t cost $200 to enter a national back in the 70s. Guess what, if you’re able to do basic math the only way the payout is going to get bigger without the promotor taking a pay cut is raising ticket prices.

Since nobody every pays you more at your job, I would assume you’ve never gotten a raise since the 70s, right? I mean, that would require someone to hand you more money and obviously that has never happened.

Why not just give $2000? Oh, I don’t know, maybe because if you add $2 on to each of the 10,000 tickets sold at the event, that $20,000 you just raised might go a long ways toward raising the payout making the one time donation of $2000 unnecessary? Or maybe because most people, myself included, can’t afford to just throw $2000 away, yet I’d bet a substantial percentage would be very happy to see a portion of their ticket price going directly to supporting the riders.

I wonder where TexasVet lives (I have a pretty good guess) where raises don’t exist, extra revenue cannot contribute to a higher purse, and motocross is smaller than curling? Must be an odd place.

There comes a point where you have to have some sort of compassion for people and maybe ever wish them an improved existence. I feel like the guys putting it on the line with ungodly amounts of talent each week should be well compensated. I’m sorry if your job pays like crap and you don’t want to see anyone else get payed better because you’re stuck wallowing in your own self pity. And don’t even come at me with the snowflake bullshit, I’m about as fiscally conservative as they come but even I know the payout is a joke.

Oh ya, and to anyone who doesn’t like privateers (not necessarily you TexasVet), fuck you.
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8/10/2019 3:41pm
zippytech wrote:
My question is why does he have a rope on him? Hell we have driveways steeper than that roof..
Is there a 10' cliff on each side of your driveway you can fall off?
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8/10/2019 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2019 3:57pm
mxtech1 wrote:
It's not likely that the riders are going to come together and "strike" a series or event to get their point across. I imagine most riders...
It's not likely that the riders are going to come together and "strike" a series or event to get their point across. I imagine most riders on a salary have specific contract language that prevents from doing so and the privateers can't afford not to.

But, what if we fans did something?? If the fans boycotted attending SX events, how long would Feld hold off? What would the national promoters do if all the fans stayed home for peaceful protest?

Social media is a powerful tool. I cannot fathom that it would be that difficult to stage fan strikes to try and force something to be done.

Thoughts?
Why the hell is it our obligation to make sure they get paid ? I used to bang the drum for they’re underpaid. But at the end of the day most of the riders are perfectly happy with what’s going on. They don’t care enough to do anything.


It is solely up to them. They need to demand it. They’re accountable for their own actions. Get faster, get out or organize.


I’ve worked in a profession with a union and without a union and the one with the union is so messed up. It actually encourages employees to be slower, to not work together. Etc.


Riders organize: lap times go up. Fan base drops. Factories leave. Sport dies.


Tin foil hat!!!!! Also. In proportion there are nascar teams that are private and they’re broke. They’re just in another tax bracket. Proportionately winners get paid. And there’s only 1 Top spot.

Dean Wilson 600k+ Instagram followers. Dudes a marketing gold mine. Adapt and overcome. That kid will make more money than most people in the sport that have overall wins. He doesn’t even need to win a race. Adapt and overcome. This is America.
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zippytech wrote:
Well let's just have a 5 person race then.
That is a little extreme but you have the right idea. F1 has 20 or so cars and they are having great success. You could easily drop 10-20 riders from a National gate and the entertainment value would not drop a notch
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8/10/2019 4:00pm
mxtech1 wrote:
It's not likely that the riders are going to come together and "strike" a series or event to get their point across. I imagine most riders...
It's not likely that the riders are going to come together and "strike" a series or event to get their point across. I imagine most riders on a salary have specific contract language that prevents from doing so and the privateers can't afford not to.

But, what if we fans did something?? If the fans boycotted attending SX events, how long would Feld hold off? What would the national promoters do if all the fans stayed home for peaceful protest?

Social media is a powerful tool. I cannot fathom that it would be that difficult to stage fan strikes to try and force something to be done.

Thoughts?
Why the hell is it our obligation to make sure they get paid ? I used to bang the drum for they’re underpaid. But at the...
Why the hell is it our obligation to make sure they get paid ? I used to bang the drum for they’re underpaid. But at the end of the day most of the riders are perfectly happy with what’s going on. They don’t care enough to do anything.


It is solely up to them. They need to demand it. They’re accountable for their own actions. Get faster, get out or organize.


I’ve worked in a profession with a union and without a union and the one with the union is so messed up. It actually encourages employees to be slower, to not work together. Etc.


Riders organize: lap times go up. Fan base drops. Factories leave. Sport dies.


Tin foil hat!!!!! Also. In proportion there are nascar teams that are private and they’re broke. They’re just in another tax bracket. Proportionately winners get paid. And there’s only 1 Top spot.

Dean Wilson 600k+ Instagram followers. Dudes a marketing gold mine. Adapt and overcome. That kid will make more money than most people in the sport that have overall wins. He doesn’t even need to win a race. Adapt and overcome. This is America.
Easier to complain on vital.
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I wonder if they're using Sherwin Williams paint in that place.
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Tarz483 wrote:
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt...
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt that , but you take the better riders and put them in faster better handling bikes , and that's the result you get , it's like 2 separate races and A and a B race on the track at the same time
lostboy819 wrote:
It ain't the bike holding them back. You could put everyone on the same exact bike and the results would still be the same.
Uh, no.

Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also.

If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend any money on mods, etc.
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8/10/2019 6:23pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2019 6:25pm
Titan1 wrote:
How much does the beat bowler in the world make? Are bowling comps live on TV?

I think moto is a little bigger than bowling.
You would be wrong.

From bowlingball.com: Bowling is played in more than 80 countries located in all five Olympic Zones. With more than 100 million participants, 10 million competitors and 250 thousand bowling lanes it is one of the largest and best organized sports in the world.

I hate it that this is true but it is........
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8/10/2019 6:34pm
Noah should go to the local csrpenters union if he hasn't already. I learned that after working 2 years of residential framing (non union), the most back breaking shit ive ever done.
8/10/2019 6:38pm
Tarz483 wrote:
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt...
I have always felt like something needs to be done to equal the bikes out , I know they are better riders and i dont doubt that , but you take the better riders and put them in faster better handling bikes , and that's the result you get , it's like 2 separate races and A and a B race on the track at the same time
lostboy819 wrote:
It ain't the bike holding them back. You could put everyone on the same exact bike and the results would still be the same.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Uh, no. Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also. If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend...
Uh, no.

Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also.

If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend any money on mods, etc.
The bike ain't gonna make a loser into a winner. Cool
8/10/2019 6:42pm
Titan1 wrote:
How much does the beat bowler in the world make? Are bowling comps live on TV?

I think moto is a little bigger than bowling.
stantdm wrote:
You would be wrong. From bowlingball.com: Bowling is played in more than 80 countries located in all five Olympic Zones. With more than 100 million participants...
You would be wrong.

From bowlingball.com: Bowling is played in more than 80 countries located in all five Olympic Zones. With more than 100 million participants, 10 million competitors and 250 thousand bowling lanes it is one of the largest and best organized sports in the world.

I hate it that this is true but it is........
Now now we cant be posting facts into a emotional argument. Wink I just don't understand why people think they are owed a living just because they are good at something, especially in MX/SX ,now if you are really talented you will get paid but most fast riders would be better off riding local and maybe hit a national when its close to home.
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lostboy819 wrote:
It ain't the bike holding them back. You could put everyone on the same exact bike and the results would still be the same.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Uh, no. Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also. If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend...
Uh, no.

Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also.

If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend any money on mods, etc.
lostboy819 wrote:
The bike ain't gonna make a loser into a winner. Cool
You should alert the race teams that they are wasting all their money trying to better their bikes, then. They’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to give their riders better equipment, but you know the secret is that the riders are going to finish in the same position no matter what they do......
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8/10/2019 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2019 7:34pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Uh, no. Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also. If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend...
Uh, no.

Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also.

If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend any money on mods, etc.
lostboy819 wrote:
The bike ain't gonna make a loser into a winner. Cool
APLMAN99 wrote:
You should alert the race teams that they are wasting all their money trying to better their bikes, then. They’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars...
You should alert the race teams that they are wasting all their money trying to better their bikes, then. They’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to give their riders better equipment, but you know the secret is that the riders are going to finish in the same position no matter what they do......
They are developing the bikes for future production more than anything. Sorry but you can put a mid back rider on a factory bike and he will still be a mid pack rider, he may pick up a couple spots but it wont make him a champion.Is that what held you back and kept you from winning, not having the best bike. you sound like Uncle Rico.
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8/10/2019 7:39pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2019 7:42pm
but what this caliber of racer has that all the other, and I mean all the other sports athletes (minus NASCAR which isn’t an athlete) don’t, is the ability excel at the coolest sport humans have ever known. surfing comes in a close 2nd. look, a great songwriter can be unknown, while the lamest song ever can generate millions in revenue. it’s not about the money, it’s about what the is is.
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lostboy819 wrote:
The bike ain't gonna make a loser into a winner. Cool
APLMAN99 wrote:
You should alert the race teams that they are wasting all their money trying to better their bikes, then. They’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars...
You should alert the race teams that they are wasting all their money trying to better their bikes, then. They’re spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to give their riders better equipment, but you know the secret is that the riders are going to finish in the same position no matter what they do......
lostboy819 wrote:
They are developing the bikes for future production more than anything. Sorry but you can put a mid back rider on a factory bike and he...
They are developing the bikes for future production more than anything. Sorry but you can put a mid back rider on a factory bike and he will still be a mid pack rider, he may pick up a couple spots but it wont make him a champion.Is that what held you back and kept you from winning, not having the best bike. you sound like Uncle Rico.
It’s doubtful that the factory riders do more testing for future production bikes than they do to set up a bike for themselves and their personal style. That’s what specialized test riders are for.

A bike doesn’t have to take a mid pack guy to the top of the podium to make a meaningful difference. It just has to give him an advantage over the next group of otherwise equal riders.

Put Tomac on 3 bikes. The first is a bone stock KX450, the next with maybe an aftermarket exhaust and revalved production suspension, and the third his factory bike. There’s zero chance that there isn’t a noticeable difference in speed and reduction in lap times as he moved from bike 1 through his bike.

If there wouldn’t be a difference, they wouldn’t spend the money on modifying his bike.

And no, I’ve never had a bike slow me down! My right wrist did that just fine on its own !
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8/10/2019 8:26pm
lostboy819 wrote:
It ain't the bike holding them back. You could put everyone on the same exact bike and the results would still be the same.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Uh, no. Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also. If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend...
Uh, no.

Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also.

If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend any money on mods, etc.
lostboy819 wrote:
The bike ain't gonna make a loser into a winner. Cool
Cooper Webb. NFM
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8/10/2019 9:15pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Uh, no. Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also. If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend...
Uh, no.

Bikes aren't 99% of the equation, but they are more than 1% also.

If the bike truly meant nothing then no one would spend any money on mods, etc.
lostboy819 wrote:
The bike ain't gonna make a loser into a winner. Cool
brocster wrote:
Cooper Webb. NFM
Webb wasn't exactly a loser but point well taken. Wink Cool
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8/10/2019 9:18pm
yak651 wrote:
And local Thursday night stock car race that gets maybe 2500-3000 fans pays more
Do they have 80 cars?
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8/10/2019 9:31pm
Sheesh, what a bummer of a thread! I thought I was a bit pessimistic, but some of the responses from you guys... Jesus! lol
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