Filthy Phil vs. MA800

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visser62 7/25/2019 10:23am
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TheNewOriginal wrote:
Act like a D B? ET3, no. MM25, no. CW2, Only every time somebody touches him.
captmoto wrote:
But he leaves it on the track. Doesn't go chasing people down on the track to threaten to kill anyone.
I have no idea why there's a perception that Cooper is a crybaby. I can't recall seeing him ever act immature or petty off the track. The guy just rides aggressively and doesn't like to lose, but he's always composed once the race is over.
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team_player 7/25/2019 10:41am
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FortyHat wrote:
Yeah probably, but he said on the podcast this week that Phil shouldn't have done what he did, and he told him that directly on the...
Yeah probably, but he said on the podcast this week that Phil shouldn't have done what he did, and he told him that directly on the phone. The only thing he really sided with Phil on was that the DQ was too harsh, which I tend to agree with. I guess they feel like they need to set an example though
theprizefighter wrote:
DQ is too light for threatening to kill someone. Boot him for the remainder of the series so he spent some time thinking about it.
blockhead17 wrote:
While I agree that threatening people is not cool, I’m sure everyone, including Mike know he wouldn’t actually kill him. Mike didn’t even look intimidated TBH
That's not the point...
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TW85 wrote:
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on. It wasn’t the first...
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on.

It wasn’t the first time or the last time a professional athlete has dropped that line in the heat of the moment. Not a big deal.
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain his anger.
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KennyT 7/25/2019 3:34pm
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FortyHat wrote:
I love TeamGreen's post with the screen capture breakdown, because it show's how much of a "racing incident" that specific altercation was. But according to Matthes...
I love TeamGreen's post with the screen capture breakdown, because it show's how much of a "racing incident" that specific altercation was.

But according to Matthes there was other stuff going on later in the race before Phil passed Mike back. Plus whatever history they have, Phil being a typical guy from NY and all the baggage that brings. All that shit piled onto itself resulted in Phil going full postal in the pits, being inappropriate in the grand scheme of things, but many of us have been there and can empathize with acting like an idiot in the heat of the moment. I've done a lot worse and I'm not glad about it in hindsight.

That said, I actually like both of these riders for different reasons, and this won't affect Alessi at all going forward. I'm bummed though that it might affect the support that Phil gets in the future. But if that's the case, he brought it on himself.
Frère Jacques wrote:
Situations like this hurt Matthes’ credibility. He complains about other media members trying to be buddies with riders but he clearly has a bias toward Phil...
Situations like this hurt Matthes’ credibility.

He complains about other media members trying to be buddies with riders but he clearly has a bias toward Phil here.
Yeah I agree. That article was heavily biased. We have enough of that crap with mainstream news, we sure don’t need it in moto. Put your personnel feelings aside and give a honest report
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theprizefighter 7/25/2019 4:15pm
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TW85 wrote:
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on. It wasn’t the first...
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on.

It wasn’t the first time or the last time a professional athlete has dropped that line in the heat of the moment. Not a big deal.
Matthes wrote:
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain...
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain his anger.
Has Phil apologized yet?
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Rushton597 7/25/2019 5:27pm
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TW85 wrote:
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on. It wasn’t the first...
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on.

It wasn’t the first time or the last time a professional athlete has dropped that line in the heat of the moment. Not a big deal.
Matthes wrote:
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain...
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain his anger.
theprizefighter wrote:
Has Phil apologized yet?
I think they might have to also hug it out..... as if canadian moto isnt embarrassing enough....that being said, a video apology from phil is going to make for excellent content hahaha
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jgmxdad251 7/25/2019 5:33pm
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TW85 wrote:
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on. It wasn’t the first...
Phil was wrong and shouldn’t of said what he did. The penalty should be a fine and probabtion then everyone move on.

It wasn’t the first time or the last time a professional athlete has dropped that line in the heat of the moment. Not a big deal.
Matthes wrote:
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain...
Pretty much and I would add that the officials fined Mike for his racing tactics after that pass which doesn't excuse Phil's words, it does explain his anger.
theprizefighter wrote:
Has Phil apologized yet?
Get over it! We understand your not happy with Phil but going on and on about it makes you look foolish. We got your point.
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Results of the appeals.


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theprizefighter 7/25/2019 5:48pm
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Rushton597 wrote:
I think they might have to also hug it out..... as if canadian moto isnt embarrassing enough....that being said, a video apology from phil is going...
I think they might have to also hug it out..... as if canadian moto isnt embarrassing enough....that being said, a video apology from phil is going to make for excellent content hahaha
I don't think Canadian moto is embarrassing at all. I see lots of fast guys with loads of talent.
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jgmxdad251 7/25/2019 5:51pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Results of the appeals. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362671/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362670/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_2_1024x663.jpg[/img]
Results of the appeals.


Ok Maverick, what does that mean?
Rushton597 7/25/2019 5:56pm
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Rushton597 wrote:
I think they might have to also hug it out..... as if canadian moto isnt embarrassing enough....that being said, a video apology from phil is going...
I think they might have to also hug it out..... as if canadian moto isnt embarrassing enough....that being said, a video apology from phil is going to make for excellent content hahaha
theprizefighter wrote:
I don't think Canadian moto is embarrassing at all. I see lots of fast guys with loads of talent.
I dont mean the quality of the riders, I'm more referring to how its run. I agree, we have lots of great talent up here.
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APLMAN99 7/25/2019 6:14pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Results of the appeals. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362671/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362670/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_2_1024x663.jpg[/img]
Results of the appeals.


So they both get the 5 position penalty for "riding backwards" dropped, but then Alessi gets hit with an extra 5 position penalty after the appeal.......

It doesn't make sense that he would be penalized for the incident shown. Is there any video of him riding over aggressively? So far I haven't seen anything and the press releases don't actually cite when this alleged overly aggressive riding occurred.
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-MAVERICK- 7/25/2019 6:18pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Results of the appeals. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362671/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362670/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_2_1024x663.jpg[/img]
Results of the appeals.


jgmxdad251 wrote:
Ok Maverick, what does that mean?
In short:

- Nothing changes for Alessi
- Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts.
- Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in the standings after the original penalties.

Points standings are in the other thread.
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theprizefighter 7/25/2019 6:39pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Results of the appeals. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362671/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362670/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_2_1024x663.jpg[/img]
Results of the appeals.


jgmxdad251 wrote:
Ok Maverick, what does that mean?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In short: - Nothing changes for Alessi - Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts. - Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in...
In short:

- Nothing changes for Alessi
- Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts.
- Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in the standings after the original penalties.

Points standings are in the other thread.
Sad. Phil should be out for the season. Looking forward to his (fake) apology.
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-MAVERICK- 7/25/2019 6:49pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
So they both get the 5 position penalty for "riding backwards" dropped, but then Alessi gets hit with an extra 5 position penalty after the appeal...
So they both get the 5 position penalty for "riding backwards" dropped, but then Alessi gets hit with an extra 5 position penalty after the appeal.......

It doesn't make sense that he would be penalized for the incident shown. Is there any video of him riding over aggressively? So far I haven't seen anything and the press releases don't actually cite when this alleged overly aggressive riding occurred.
I haven't seen the written appeals and those won't be made public.

The team/Phil might have made an appeal that the contact between Mike and himself was unnecessary.

The only thing I know for sure is that there's a reason behind that call and that it's not just one person making the final judgement.
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JAC wrote:
Perspective is everything. The best part of this race, through my eyes, was my son racing his first ever 450 National, getting the holeshot in the...
Perspective is everything.

The best part of this race, through my eyes, was my son racing his first ever 450 National, getting the holeshot in the first moto, and finishing with a 5-7 for 6th overall.

As far as I know, he didn't ride backwards on the track or scream threatening profanities to another rider. Like most of the riders, he just showed up and raced.

DirectMotocross did a short video of his day. The best part of the video is at about the 55 second mark, when the excited privateer team manager gives someone a high five when his new rider gets the holeshot at a national race. http://www.directmotocross.com/video-josh-cartwright-returns-to-canada-…



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Congratulations. That's quite a big deal.
And thanks for making it worth going through 9 pages of this stuff.
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jgmxdad251 wrote:
Ok Maverick, what does that mean?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In short: - Nothing changes for Alessi - Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts. - Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in...
In short:

- Nothing changes for Alessi
- Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts.
- Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in the standings after the original penalties.

Points standings are in the other thread.
theprizefighter wrote:
Sad. Phil should be out for the season. Looking forward to his (fake) apology.
Not as much as we are all looking forward to your next stupid post...just get over it already....my god you would of thought that Phil came after you for Christs sake...
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Dan-The-Man 7/25/2019 8:24pm
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theprizefighter wrote:
Sad. Phil should be out for the season. Looking forward to his (fake) apology.
Do you have any tears left to shed?
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OneWordResponseGuy 7/25/2019 8:26pm
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They have to make videos and share on their social media! I can't wait to see how fake Phil's apology is.

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theprizefighter wrote:
Sad. Phil should be out for the season. Looking forward to his (fake) apology.
GTFOH
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Brent 7/25/2019 9:05pm
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Frère Jacques wrote:
Situations like this hurt Matthes’ credibility. He complains about other media members trying to be buddies with riders but he clearly has a bias toward Phil...
Situations like this hurt Matthes’ credibility.

He complains about other media members trying to be buddies with riders but he clearly has a bias toward Phil here.
What Credibility? I’ve seen Steve eating team food in their pits, objectivity goes out the window when you have to report on teams you get your lunch from.

Matthes writes from his point of view and that’s cool, but don’t mistake it for objective reporting, this sport is far too small for hard hitting journalism.
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mh226 7/25/2019 10:26pm
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In the most Canadian turn of events ever they have to say "sorry" and do community service work.....
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scott_nz 7/25/2019 10:43pm
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mh226 wrote:
In the most Canadian turn of events ever they have to say "sorry" and do community service work.....
if only they had to do their apology in a Canadian accent, it would be perfect,
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presto170 7/26/2019 3:53am
7/26/2019 3:53am
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In short: - Nothing changes for Alessi - Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts. - Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in...
In short:

- Nothing changes for Alessi
- Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts.
- Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in the standings after the original penalties.

Points standings are in the other thread.
theprizefighter wrote:
Sad. Phil should be out for the season. Looking forward to his (fake) apology.
DonM wrote:
Not as much as we are all looking forward to your next stupid post...just get over it already....my god you would of thought that Phil came...
Not as much as we are all looking forward to your next stupid post...just get over it already....my god you would of thought that Phil came after you for Christs sake...
I reckon theprizefighter is either tony, mike or Jeff. Maybe Genova? Who knows
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mh226 wrote:
In the most Canadian turn of events ever they have to say "sorry" and do community service work.....
scott_nz wrote:
if only they had to do their apology in a Canadian accent, it would be perfect,
Canadian accent? WTH is a Canadian accent?



Eh?
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TeamGreen 7/26/2019 7:28am
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This also appears to have changed the OVER ALL results...
AFTER THE FACT.
For events that took place AFTER the race.
The “on track” claims from AFTER THE INTIAL collision are drama that it seems NO ONE saw?
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Dimblewambie 7/26/2019 8:46am
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theprizefighter wrote:
Sad. Phil should be out for the season. Looking forward to his (fake) apology.
Crush wrote:
GTFOH
Easy now crush..


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APLMAN99 7/26/2019 8:50am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Results of the appeals. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362671/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/07/25/362670/s1200_2019_Sand_Del_Lee_MCC_Comp_Ruling_1_2_1024x663.jpg[/img]
Results of the appeals.


jgmxdad251 wrote:
Ok Maverick, what does that mean?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In short: - Nothing changes for Alessi - Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts. - Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in...
In short:

- Nothing changes for Alessi
- Phil gets a 7th in moto 2 and 19pts.
- Phil jumps back to 3rd from 5th in the standings after the original penalties.

Points standings are in the other thread.
Actually it did change for Alessi.

He was handed down a penalty for something that he wasn't penalized for before the appeal.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Actually it did change for Alessi.

He was handed down a penalty for something that he wasn't penalized for before the appeal.
Points didn't change is what I meant.
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APLMAN99 7/26/2019 8:52am
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TeamGreen wrote:
This also appears to have changed the OVER ALL results... AFTER THE FACT. For events that took place AFTER the race. The “on track” claims from...
This also appears to have changed the OVER ALL results...
AFTER THE FACT.
For events that took place AFTER the race.
The “on track” claims from AFTER THE INTIAL collision are drama that it seems NO ONE saw?
Yes...….

Which makes it seem like the penalty was for him holding his line in the corner that Nicoletti cut down on. And that's just crazy to penalize a guy for holding his line. At that point, any contact at all in that series should be a penalty of some kind.
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