Any word Sexton?

mxbrian15 wrote:

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you...

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you don’t even notice, and the hands free system means you never have to locate the hose to grab a drink.

aees wrote:

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp. I...

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp.

I am however surprised no one (from what I could see) was running cooling west.

Crushed ice inside boots also help.

tampabayjay wrote:

Didn't Malcom Stewart have issues with the heat the last year he did the nat's? Heat and humidity can be deadly. Smart move on Sexton's part...

Didn't Malcom Stewart have issues with the heat the last year he did the nat's? Heat and humidity can be deadly. Smart move on Sexton's part to pull out and not risk his life for some points.

mxbrian15 wrote:

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you...

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you don’t even notice, and the hands free system means you never have to locate the hose to grab a drink.

aees wrote:

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp. I...

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp.

I am however surprised no one (from what I could see) was running cooling west.

Crushed ice inside boots also help.

CPR wrote:

I believe Tomac was wearing a cooling vest?

sam hain wrote:

I went to the first muddy creek national 5yrs or so ago and it was mid 90's with high humidity (my skin actually blistered it was...

I went to the first muddy creek national 5yrs or so ago and it was mid 90's with high humidity (my skin actually blistered it was so hot) After the races were over I saw Jimmy Albertson and his then Suzuki team standing in those commercial plastic garbage cans taking an ice bath. I can't imagine pushing yourself to that extent. Much respect.

mxbrian15 wrote:

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you...

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you don’t even notice, and the hands free system means you never have to locate the hose to grab a drink.

aees wrote:

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp. I...

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp.

I am however surprised no one (from what I could see) was running cooling west.

Crushed ice inside boots also help.

CPR wrote:

I believe Tomac was wearing a cooling vest?

gnarwhip wrote:

Hey guys let’s get rid of Glen Helen and add a Florida national in late June. Super good idea.

GuyB wrote:

WW Ranch replaced Muddy Creek. But thanks for playing.

gnarwhip wrote:

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this...

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this year, in my opinion.

GuyB wrote:

WW Ranch replaced Muddy Creek. But thanks for playing.

gnarwhip wrote:

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this...

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this year, in my opinion.

DC wrote:

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it... And what spin? What different decision...

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it...

And what spin? What different decision should the big dogs have made? Both Muddy Creek and Glen Helen decided not to be on the schedule in 2019, for different reasons, so they were replaced with two very good races in the same respective parts of the country. When else would you put a Florida National between June 15 and August 27, which is the window we have after the first three western region rounds?

DC
Racer X

dirtbikemike wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/23/356211/s1200_40942_152028374816279_100000273527381_392815_1502248_n.jpg[/img] It was 105 degrees at the 1981 250 National. We were warned at the rider's meeting about hydration during the race. In the first moto...

It was 105 degrees at the 1981 250 National. We were warned at the rider's meeting about hydration during the race. In the first moto, nearly every rider stopped for water except Hannah and Howerton. In moto two, they both stopped for water. Were they pussies or were they smart? Oh yeah, it was in June.

GuyB wrote:

WW Ranch replaced Muddy Creek. But thanks for playing.

gnarwhip wrote:

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this...

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this year, in my opinion.

DC wrote:

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it... And what spin? What different decision...

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it...

And what spin? What different decision should the big dogs have made? Both Muddy Creek and Glen Helen decided not to be on the schedule in 2019, for different reasons, so they were replaced with two very good races in the same respective parts of the country. When else would you put a Florida National between June 15 and August 27, which is the window we have after the first three western region rounds?

DC
Racer X

level wrote:

Yeah I was originally mad at the ama and powers at be but then thought about it more and it’s really up to the rider. They...

Yeah I was originally mad at the ama and powers at be but then thought about it more and it’s really up to the rider.
They have options to run hydration packs and gels to wear during the race and then just not push it as much also.
So the bottom line is who do you blame for severe health issues like heat stroke and dehydration? The rider or people who run the organization.

mxbrian15 wrote:

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you...

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you don’t even notice, and the hands free system means you never have to locate the hose to grab a drink.

aees wrote:

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp. I...

Ice cold water does help cool down from inside, but it is not lack of fluids that is the issue, it is the body/organ temp.

I am however surprised no one (from what I could see) was running cooling west.

Crushed ice inside boots also help.

CPR wrote:

I believe Tomac was wearing a cooling vest?

gnarwhip wrote:

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this...

You can spin it any way you want, the end result is the same. Bottom line is the big dogs have made bad decisions for this year, in my opinion.

DC wrote:

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it... And what spin? What different decision...

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it...

And what spin? What different decision should the big dogs have made? Both Muddy Creek and Glen Helen decided not to be on the schedule in 2019, for different reasons, so they were replaced with two very good races in the same respective parts of the country. When else would you put a Florida National between June 15 and August 27, which is the window we have after the first three western region rounds?

DC
Racer X

mx 219 wrote:

I was going to post this before, but why not go: 5/4 Vegas 5/11 BREAK 5/18 Hangtown 5/25 Pala 6/1 Thunder Valley 6/8 Florida National 6/15...

I was going to post this before, but why not go:

5/4 Vegas
5/11 BREAK
5/18 Hangtown
5/25 Pala
6/1 Thunder Valley
6/8 Florida National
6/15 High Point
6/22 BREAK
6/29 Southwick
7/6 Red Bud
7/13 Spring Creek
7/20 Washougal
7/27 BREAK
8/3 BREAK
8/10 Unadilla
8/17 Budds Creek
8/24 Ironman

- OR -

5/4 Vegas
5/11 BREAK
5/18 BREAK
5/25 Hangtown
6/1 Thunder Valley
6/8 Florida National
6/15 High Point
6/22 BREAK
6/29 Southwick
7/6 Red Bud
7/13 Spring Creek
...

then have Pala the week before or after Washougal while you are already on the West Coast assuming it wouldn't be too crazy hot in Cali then. Or, as a last resort the very last race of the season.... I specifically worked to keep High Point on Father's Day weekend.

DC wrote:

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it... And what spin? What different decision...

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it...

And what spin? What different decision should the big dogs have made? Both Muddy Creek and Glen Helen decided not to be on the schedule in 2019, for different reasons, so they were replaced with two very good races in the same respective parts of the country. When else would you put a Florida National between June 15 and August 27, which is the window we have after the first three western region rounds?

DC
Racer X

mxbrian15 wrote:

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you...

I can’t believe we didn’t see hydration packs on riders yesterday. I know Alessi did that at least once. They make small enough packs that you don’t even notice, and the hands free system means you never have to locate the hose to grab a drink.

Texas Built wrote:

Trying to hydrate during the race is WAY too late. Should be done the day before and continue till you race. Drinking during the race is...

Trying to hydrate during the race is WAY too late. Should be done the day before and continue till you race. Drinking during the race is tits on a snake.

mxbrian15 wrote:

If you didn’t hydrate or prepare beforehand, of course it is too late. I never said that. Getting electrolytes and water throughout an extremely demanding moto...

If you didn’t hydrate or prepare beforehand, of course it is too late. I never said that.

Getting electrolytes and water throughout an extremely demanding moto, especially moto 2, would be beneficial. If it wasn’t, why would racers be drinking water and electrolyte drinks between motos where there is such a quick turnaround time. Anytime you can replace, even small amounts, will help. Especially in Florida where the humidity is so high and we don’t get the significant benefits of good evaporation off your skin.

Shoot, I mean, even letting it dribble out of your mouth and down your jersey would help. I know it does for me.

Throttle_Therapy wrote:

This is ridiculous! Remove heads from asses please. This is motocross! There don’t need to be more rules to pander to the few guys that can’t...

This is ridiculous! Remove heads from asses please. This is motocross! There don’t need to be more rules to pander to the few guys that can’t cut it in the heat. Two fields of 40 riders and a few have heat stress issues. It is what it is! Like holy crap. That’s like saying that Denver should be off the schedule because some guys get altitude sickness! Ridiculousness. No ivs, let the format alone.

str8line wrote:

Why not shorten the motos a little when there is danger of heat stroke? I don't think taking 5-10 minutes off the motos when it's 105...

Why not shorten the motos a little when there is danger of heat stroke? I don't think taking 5-10 minutes off the motos when it's 105 degrees would take away too much from the racing. Why risk another Josh Lichtle-type incident? The main event in supercross is 20 minutes and in dangerous heat that would be plenty of time for great racing, IMO.

grunkster wrote:

a camelback will do nothing for 30+2. GNCC is 3hrs....fluids not needed for 1st half hour...imo

grunkster wrote:

https://www.hammernutrition.com/knowledge/essential-knowledge/less-is-b…

grunkster wrote:

a camelback will do nothing for 30+2. GNCC is 3hrs....fluids not needed for 1st half hour...imo

Dirty Points wrote:

I have to take heat stroke avoidance courses every year to receive my youth sports coaching certificate. Every published medical recommendation I have seen runs contrary...

I have to take heat stroke avoidance courses every year to receive my youth sports coaching certificate.

Every published medical recommendation I have seen runs contrary to what you just said, and says something like: "Drink plenty of water or other cool, non-alcoholic fluids even if you’re not thirsty" (Mayo Clinic). That is usually the number 1 recommendation on the avoidance list.

Never once have I read it won't make a difference in a 35 min activity. If indeed it isn't helpful for such a short period of activity, why is running to the water bottle the first thing the heat exhausted athletes are doing to regain some comfort?

grunkster wrote:

a camelback will do nothing for 30+2. GNCC is 3hrs....fluids not needed for 1st half hour...imo

Dirty Points wrote:

I have to take heat stroke avoidance courses every year to receive my youth sports coaching certificate. Every published medical recommendation I have seen runs contrary...

I have to take heat stroke avoidance courses every year to receive my youth sports coaching certificate.

Every published medical recommendation I have seen runs contrary to what you just said, and says something like: "Drink plenty of water or other cool, non-alcoholic fluids even if you’re not thirsty" (Mayo Clinic). That is usually the number 1 recommendation on the avoidance list.

Never once have I read it won't make a difference in a 35 min activity. If indeed it isn't helpful for such a short period of activity, why is running to the water bottle the first thing the heat exhausted athletes are doing to regain some comfort?

grunkster wrote:

a camelback will do nothing for 30+2. GNCC is 3hrs....fluids not needed for 1st half hour...imo

aees wrote:

Do you see them drinking as they are thirsty, or pouring 95% of it over their heads? For a well hydrated rider it makes no difference...

Do you see them drinking as they are thirsty, or pouring 95% of it over their heads?

For a well hydrated rider it makes no difference to get one or two sips of water during a 35min race.

They do eat some sand or dust and for that I as well prefer water to wash out my mouth but it was hardly dusty this weekend...

Even runners or bicyclist don't bring water for 45min races. They bring carbohydrates gel if it is closer to and hour and up.

DC wrote:

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it... And what spin? What different decision...

I think the Florida National was a success, despite the heat, but you probably weren't there to actually see it...

And what spin? What different decision should the big dogs have made? Both Muddy Creek and Glen Helen decided not to be on the schedule in 2019, for different reasons, so they were replaced with two very good races in the same respective parts of the country. When else would you put a Florida National between June 15 and August 27, which is the window we have after the first three western region rounds?

DC
Racer X

mx 219 wrote:

I was going to post this before, but why not go: 5/4 Vegas 5/11 BREAK 5/18 Hangtown 5/25 Pala 6/1 Thunder Valley 6/8 Florida National 6/15...

I was going to post this before, but why not go:

5/4 Vegas
5/11 BREAK
5/18 Hangtown
5/25 Pala
6/1 Thunder Valley
6/8 Florida National
6/15 High Point
6/22 BREAK
6/29 Southwick
7/6 Red Bud
7/13 Spring Creek
7/20 Washougal
7/27 BREAK
8/3 BREAK
8/10 Unadilla
8/17 Budds Creek
8/24 Ironman

- OR -

5/4 Vegas
5/11 BREAK
5/18 BREAK
5/25 Hangtown
6/1 Thunder Valley
6/8 Florida National
6/15 High Point
6/22 BREAK
6/29 Southwick
7/6 Red Bud
7/13 Spring Creek
...

then have Pala the week before or after Washougal while you are already on the West Coast assuming it wouldn't be too crazy hot in Cali then. Or, as a last resort the very last race of the season.... I specifically worked to keep High Point on Father's Day weekend.

DC wrote:

Thanks for the input and suggestions... The first thing we had to do was make sure WWRanch worked, which it did, very well. Now we can...

Thanks for the input and suggestions... The first thing we had to do was make sure WWRanch worked, which it did, very well. Now we can see where we are with the schedule moving forward, but the first four rounds likely won't change, they are established on those dates, but with next year being a leap year, there is an extra Saturday in May, which means early June may allow the Florida to move up a couple of dates...

As for putting Pala before Washougal, that adds too much travel miles and also it would be just as susceptible to hot weather as Florida in late June. Same goes (as far as heat) for late August in SoCal.

DC
Racer X