Florida and south humidity is no joke

Harry Backmon 6/23/2019 6:20am
6/23/2019 6:20am
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Bro, a few weeks ago, at the end of May, it was 105. That's unreal in the south. Now, admittedly, that's a freakish abberation that I...
Bro, a few weeks ago, at the end of May, it was 105. That's unreal in the south. Now, admittedly, that's a freakish abberation that I hope stays that way.
Smoproracing_Smoproracing wrote:
It was not 105 in May, I can assure you that. Heat index maybe, I check the temp every few hours working outdoors and it hasn't...
It was not 105 in May, I can assure you that. Heat index maybe, I check the temp every few hours working outdoors and it hasn't broke high 90s yet this year .
Harry Backmon wrote:
It was here, dude. Don't call me a liar.
I guess you're right. When I told my wife of your reply she said her phone said it was 104.
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When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures in the morning were often over 119 and, by noon, over 140. We baked pies on the sidewalk. In January. The catfish in our ponds got ticks on them. All our shirts were sweatshirts, all our pants were sweatpants. We had to drink water with SPF50 in it. Good times those. You kids have it easy today, I scoff in your general direction.....
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crowe176 wrote:
That’s what I was thinking. Basically barely riding during the week before and just pounding fluids all week? Curious what DV did to prepare Dylan for...
That’s what I was thinking. Basically barely riding during the week before and just pounding fluids all week? Curious what DV did to prepare Dylan for this race or if it was business as usual.

I’ll take months of snow and shovel the fuck out of it with a smile if I don’t have to live in that crap
Hot yoga is no joke... But totally amazing.... And I can see it working wonders for hot Motos like yesterday... Huge yoga fan personally...
Harry Backmon 6/23/2019 6:26am
6/23/2019 6:26am
Smoproracing_Smoproracing wrote:
My apologies as I thought you were referring to Florida.
No worries man. Folkston is a real small town and the highest temp I can find officially recorded for May of 2019 was 100. It depends on where the weather station is located for sure. I use Weather Bug on my phone. I'm certain I saw 105 at one point, but my wife is better at remembering stuff than me and she says 104 was the highest she saw. Fortunately the humidity wasn't out of control at that point, but it was hot! Have a great Sunday!

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brapgod69 6/23/2019 6:28am
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My one and only experience with Jacksonville, Florida resulted in my bumper getting stolen off my rental while I was in Wal-Mart. Also, it was still hot as balls at the end of September.
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Smoproracing_Smoproracing 6/23/2019 6:30am
6/23/2019 6:30am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2019 6:31am
Smoproracing_Smoproracing wrote:
It was not 105 in May, I can assure you that. Heat index maybe, I check the temp every few hours working outdoors and it hasn't...
It was not 105 in May, I can assure you that. Heat index maybe, I check the temp every few hours working outdoors and it hasn't broke high 90s yet this year .
Harry Backmon wrote:
It was here, dude. Don't call me a liar.
Harry Backmon wrote:
I guess you're right. When I told my wife of your reply she said her phone said it was 104.
Well then it must be true. Just playing. I know it gets hot, direct sun you'll roast. Temps fluctuate easy . 3pmish is the worst of the day.
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Harry Backmon 6/23/2019 6:31am
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Rupert X wrote:
When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures...
When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures in the morning were often over 119 and, by noon, over 140. We baked pies on the sidewalk. In January. The catfish in our ponds got ticks on them. All our shirts were sweatshirts, all our pants were sweatpants. We had to drink water with SPF50 in it. Good times those. You kids have it easy today, I scoff in your general direction.....
Haha Rupe! When I first started reading your post and caught on, I saw "mountainous" and I'm like "Uh, Rupe...you weren't in Florida!"
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Rupert X 6/23/2019 6:35am
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Rupert X wrote:
When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures...
When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures in the morning were often over 119 and, by noon, over 140. We baked pies on the sidewalk. In January. The catfish in our ponds got ticks on them. All our shirts were sweatshirts, all our pants were sweatpants. We had to drink water with SPF50 in it. Good times those. You kids have it easy today, I scoff in your general direction.....
Harry Backmon wrote:
Haha Rupe! When I first started reading your post and caught on, I saw "mountainous" and I'm like "Uh, Rupe...you weren't in Florida!"
Harry. I’ll come down next year and take advantage of your Privateer offer. Stock up on IPA’s. Break out your vinyl collection and turntable. Grab me one of those $2000 tickets, too. Thanks. Cheers.
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MX114 6/23/2019 6:42am
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Been to South florida mid summer several times and yes its like nowhere else and must be experienced to understand. However Lorettas first week of August isn't much better. The track and pits sit in a valley and on the really bad days you can look across the track and literally see the heavy haze of humidity that lays on top of you. Its brutal sweating without even moving by 10AM and riding is like having a hair dryer wfo jammed down your throat
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Harry Backmon 6/23/2019 6:48am
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My one and only experience with Jacksonville, Florida resulted in my bumper getting stolen off my rental while I was in Wal-Mart. Also, it was still...
My one and only experience with Jacksonville, Florida resulted in my bumper getting stolen off my rental while I was in Wal-Mart. Also, it was still hot as balls at the end of September.
Figures. Some of the Walmarts in Freakville are scary. And that's before you get inside. The parking lots of some are filled with dirty diapers, beer cans, empty bottles of oil and transmission fluid, engine parts, used air and oil filters, condoms (presumably used), dead birds and smashed lizards, plastic bags, wigs, boxes of chicken bones, shell casings, body parts and the occasional dead body. My wife went one time right after a massive rain storm. The parking lot storm drains were clogged with trash. She said walking through that water was the most disgusting thing she's ever encountered. She fully expected to catch a disease the University of Florida had yet to discover.

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tek14 wrote:
Its weird to watch Us people waiting to allow PED´s and IV for these young moto guys. I cant imagine wanting my kids to go that...
Its weird to watch Us people waiting to allow PED´s and IV for these young moto guys. I cant imagine wanting my kids to go that route in any sports to do you job. How you think other endurance sports survive hot days like cycling, triathlon etc.

Did I miss a post saying PED's should be legal? Or do you really not know the difference between PED's and IV's?
Harry Backmon 6/23/2019 6:52am
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Rupert X wrote:
When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures...
When I was a kid, we lived in a mountainous, coastal region of South Florida, in an estuary that was also an arid, swampy plain. Temperatures in the morning were often over 119 and, by noon, over 140. We baked pies on the sidewalk. In January. The catfish in our ponds got ticks on them. All our shirts were sweatshirts, all our pants were sweatpants. We had to drink water with SPF50 in it. Good times those. You kids have it easy today, I scoff in your general direction.....
Harry Backmon wrote:
Haha Rupe! When I first started reading your post and caught on, I saw "mountainous" and I'm like "Uh, Rupe...you weren't in Florida!"
Rupert X wrote:
Harry. I’ll come down next year and take advantage of your Privateer offer. Stock up on IPA’s. Break out your vinyl collection and turntable. Grab me...
Harry. I’ll come down next year and take advantage of your Privateer offer. Stock up on IPA’s. Break out your vinyl collection and turntable. Grab me one of those $2000 tickets, too. Thanks. Cheers.
Come on Rupe! You're one of the good ones and we will take good care of you.
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SEEMEFIRST 6/23/2019 7:46am
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Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation.

If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently.

This causes you to sweat more, the body is trying to compensate, but to no avail.

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation. If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently. This causes...
Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation.

If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently.

This causes you to sweat more, the body is trying to compensate, but to no avail.

Don't go bringing science into a Vital discussion. Especially if it's correct science.
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biscuit11 6/23/2019 7:57am
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I wonder if starting the races at say 4pm next year would help? I believe Friday was the longest daylight day of the year it doesnt get dark till 9ish. Would make more sense then looking to move the date.
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SEEMEFIRST 6/23/2019 7:57am
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation. If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently. This causes...
Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation.

If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently.

This causes you to sweat more, the body is trying to compensate, but to no avail.

hamncheeze wrote:
Don't go bringing science into a Vital discussion. Especially if it's correct science.
Sorry man. Honest mistake.

I'm at work so I'm sober.
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brocster 6/23/2019 8:22am
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OSHA has guidelines published that allow intermittent breaks based on a relative heat, humidity and exertion matrix. It’s friggin stupid to send these dude out there...
OSHA has guidelines published that allow intermittent breaks based on a relative heat, humidity and exertion matrix. It’s friggin stupid to send these dude out there in the given conditions with the risks at hand. Call me a pussy, and I can handle a lot of shit being from Louisiana but Sexton and Cooper were on the edge and thats dangerous shit. Heat related ilnesses are no fuggin joke.

Yeah yeah yeah, Hanna this Decoster that, 45+ this, blah ,blah blah, These dudes today could run a vintage bike out of gas on a vintage track from yesteryear without breaking a sweat.. In those day dudes were in bars and slamming chicks the night before a 45+2.

See you tomorrow.....

YeeeHaaww!!!!
kpiper wrote:
You want OSHA policing moto now?
No, but thats no reason to push heat related illnesses aside and act as if it doesn’t exist....

Sending them off the gate and wishing them well...

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oldschoolmxer 6/23/2019 9:37am
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I know lol, back in the day in Houston.. Rio Bravo Nationals were almost always in August and having lived in Florida, Texas and California... None of them have S^%$ on Houston when it comes to heat and humidity.. 45+2 on a vintage bike in that heat with zero track work after practice until the end of the day was brutal.

I would never live there again.. Enjoy my friends..
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Indy mxer 6/23/2019 9:52am
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You guys are right about Florida humidity. A few years ago in August we went to visit my SIL in Crystal River.
I've been running since 1982, and I'm used to running in hot, humid weather we get in July/August here in Southern Indiana.
Anyway, I decided I was going out for a run about 11am, thinking "no problem I run in this crap all the time."

Boy was I wrong!! About half way thru my run at my normal distance I thought I was going to die. I ended up walking back to the house wondering wtf just hit me.

Florida heat is f'ing real. My hats of to all the riders who raced yesterday. Hope they all came thru it ok.

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hogkiller 6/23/2019 10:27am
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toostroke wrote:
Ah stop complaining Atleast you won’t have to worry about cold winters and snow
Yes i grew up racing and riding dirt bikes in Tampa in the 70's and yes it was hot and humid ,but then i got Married to a Canadian and she was home sick and did not like the heat and we moved to Alberta ,yes we have mountains and lakes that are so cold that you cant swim we have snow ,we have winter 6 months of the year, we cant start riding till May, we have minus 45 nights. i would give anything to be back home in Florida

oh and it is june 23 first day of summer


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Johnny Lock 6/23/2019 10:35am
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Should IV’s be mandatory/optional if they want to hold a June national in the south? My family went to Orlando a few years back in June...
Should IV’s be mandatory/optional if they want to hold a June national in the south?

My family went to Orlando a few years back in June and we stayed at one of those places that have a huge water park, lazy river etc. planned on doing the Disney thing, and after being there for 1 afternoon, the decision was made to never leave the water park. No way we were walking around Disney in this shit. I can’t even imagine climbing on a dirt cycle and pinning it for two moto’s. Unreal what these guys did today. Hats off to every rider, and the fans that showed up to sweat this out..
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This is Disney’s most busy time of the year too.. that’s insane isn’t it?
our family goes to Disney right after Thanksgiving- but y’all dont start going then because I enjoy the cooler weather and the shorter lines.
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brocster wrote:
OSHA has guidelines published that allow intermittent breaks based on a relative heat, humidity and exertion matrix. It’s friggin stupid to send these dude out there...
OSHA has guidelines published that allow intermittent breaks based on a relative heat, humidity and exertion matrix. It’s friggin stupid to send these dude out there in the given conditions with the risks at hand. Call me a pussy, and I can handle a lot of shit being from Louisiana but Sexton and Cooper were on the edge and thats dangerous shit. Heat related ilnesses are no fuggin joke.

Yeah yeah yeah, Hanna this Decoster that, 45+ this, blah ,blah blah, These dudes today could run a vintage bike out of gas on a vintage track from yesteryear without breaking a sweat.. In those day dudes were in bars and slamming chicks the night before a 45+2.

See you tomorrow.....

YeeeHaaww!!!!
Bad asses are bad asses regardless of the era. If you get a chance check out the dvd One Chance To Win.....then tell me those dudes going at it in the bayous of New Orleans weren't some bad mofos. AC 24/7 is a game changer, at least down here it is. Got to get acclimated to this crap or it can seriously hurt you or worse. Party back then...hell yeah...but were in this crap all day long and bodies were used to it
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Johnny Lock 6/23/2019 10:43am
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tek14 wrote:
Its weird to watch Us people waiting to allow PED´s and IV for these young moto guys. I cant imagine wanting my kids to go that...
Its weird to watch Us people waiting to allow PED´s and IV for these young moto guys. I cant imagine wanting my kids to go that route in any sports to do you job. How you think other endurance sports survive hot days like cycling, triathlon etc.

aees wrote:
I dont think it makes a difference being able to drink. If anything, a cooling West could help. You are basically boiling from inside due to...
I dont think it makes a difference being able to drink. If anything, a cooling West could help. You are basically boiling from inside due to boots and helmet trapping heat.

I could also imagine Florida guys training as usual leading into the race + riding press day. If I where them, I would have stayed away from sweating from Tuesday Wednesday somewhere.
Oh but it does. Stop sweating in the heat and see what happens.
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Tarz483 6/23/2019 10:47am
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toostroke wrote:
Ah stop complaining Atleast you won’t have to worry about cold winters and snow
hogkiller wrote:
Yes i grew up racing and riding dirt bikes in Tampa in the 70's and yes it was hot and humid ,but then i got Married...
Yes i grew up racing and riding dirt bikes in Tampa in the 70's and yes it was hot and humid ,but then i got Married to a Canadian and she was home sick and did not like the heat and we moved to Alberta ,yes we have mountains and lakes that are so cold that you cant swim we have snow ,we have winter 6 months of the year, we cant start riding till May, we have minus 45 nights. i would give anything to be back home in Florida

oh and it is june 23 first day of summer


Are you seriously planning to stay there ?
I live in Minnesota and I cant stand the six months of winter, I am still trying to decide where to go
But I definitely am not dealing with 6 months of cold forever.
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mulletracer 6/23/2019 10:57am
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For Florida it was a nice day! Humidity was only around 50% that's not to bad really. Gotta' count your blessings...however small they are.
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I'm in deep south Texas. Was at Disneylan the week of june 1-7. It was brutal but with fluid intake and fast passes plus breaks, it was ok. I even hopped on the bus and rode a loop just to get some AC a couple times. i am used to living in the heat and humidity so it helped. Just yesterday I was stretching fence and after 5 hours I called it quits for the day with temps of 92f and 70% humidity but a heat index of 107. I lost 5lbs of body weight and I was moving slow to keep exertion down, wearing a hat and shorts and a white reflective shirt and drinking weak cool aid mixed with a little salt.

I raced for 15 years all summer long here at Cycleranch, Rio Bravo, Houston tracks, and even for those short 10-15 minute motos it can be utterly brutal especially because I raced two classes. I have had heat exhaustion twice and when you turn beet red, stop sweating, start vomiting, you are in trouble. If it happens when you are racing and you don't stop, you can make poor decisions that could cost you a crash and injury or even death.

I have ran 13.1 and 26.2 marathons in 95f heat. That is considered emergency conditions and they have trucks out on the course with ice chests full of ice water and towels to help cool off runners. People in their yards with water hoses to spray runners down. You have to pour ice into your running shorts and under your cap to cool off your blood. And you have to slow down because all your blood is being pumped to your skin trying to cool you down and your brain gets less blood and oxygen, you get whacky and can't think as well. That is why Sexton and Cooper and others were so out of it.

More recently, I did triathlon and completed both Galveston 70.3 in April 2014 and the full Ironman Texas in The Woodlands in May 2014. Temps at 4:00 in the afternoon was still 95f with heat index in the 103-105 range and you were now running a freaking marathon after riding a road bike 112 miles in the hottest part of the day. That was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life.


Those of you that have never gone full tilt in the heat and humidity and try to downplay how tough and dangerous it can be need to STFU because you have no idea.
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thephoenix 6/23/2019 1:01pm
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation. If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently. This causes...
Sweating is supposed to cool you through evaporation.

If it's humid, the air is already saturated with water, so evaporation doesn't happen very efficiently.

This causes you to sweat more, the body is trying to compensate, but to no avail.

Yep. Then your body goes into crisis mode as temps keep rising and shunts even more blood to the skin surface trying to save your ass. Now your brain is short on blood and oxygen and judgement and reasoning skills suffer. Also your brain temp rises and that as we know can be very dangerous.

When sweating stops you are in serious shit.
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TbonesPop 6/23/2019 1:09pm
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mulletracer wrote:
For Florida it was a nice day! Humidity was only around 50% that's not to bad really. Gotta' count your blessings...however small they are.
Humidity is a term that is way over used and wrongly communicated much of the time. It's the moisture content in the air that makes it hard for one's body to cool down (more moisture, harder to cool down). Measuring that by % humidity is not the best way of measuring moisture content. It really comes down to Dew point. Humidity is a function of how close the actual temperature is to the dew point. The dew point is the truest representation of how much moisture is in the air. A dew point in the 60's is going to feel humid. A dew point ins the 70s is going to feel thick and sticky as hell. Swamp-ass city. The reason I point this out, is the hotter the temperature is with a constant dew point, the lower the humidity. So when it gets hotter the humidity drops, but the moisture content in the air is the same. So the stickiness feeling is the same. People might think, oh its not that bad the % humidity was low. That's a poor indicator. The best thing to do is look at actual temperature and dew point.

By the way, while people love to say the phrase, it's only happened one time in the history of the US - "90F Degrees and 90% humidity". It has only happened once and it lasted for about 20 minutes. It wasn't in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, or Florida - no where in the south. It was in Minnesota of all places.
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Harry Backmon 6/23/2019 1:14pm
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It's hot today too. I feel for the amateurs racing today. Good thing the race wasn't Friday, because we probably would have lost a rider or two. Friday was super humid.

Yesterday, up until about the time of the first moto, we had cloud cover. It was noticeably cooler than Friday. Then, the sun broke through and well - you know the rest of the story.
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thephoenix 6/23/2019 1:53pm
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Direct sunlight adds about 10f of heat load to the skin. That is VERY significant. That's why you see runners and trithletes wearing the white, solar reflecting arm skins that go from the upper bicep to the wrists. Especiially on bigger people.

Working muscles turn about 65% of their energy into heat as well. The more muscle you habe the bigger the heat load. You will never see a maratjon runner of say, 185lbs beat one that weighs 120lbs, all other factors being equal.
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