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6/10/2019 6:42pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Have a feeling I'll get flamed by some for this.... I hope he does NOT come over here! I'm like a super fan of the kid...
Have a feeling I'll get flamed by some for this....

I hope he does NOT come over here! I'm like a super fan of the kid , and I'd like to see him stay over there and win multiple champiuonship's. I don't want to see a kid with that much talent in outdoor MX , get chewed up in Stupidcross , and then ride only 12 rounds of MX.

The GP scene brought that kid up from mini's , the 125's , and now the 250's , and it was all outdoor stuff. I've steadily found myself over the past 5 - 6 years admiring what the rider's go through over there. Not so much on how GL runs the series ( but it works! )......but just everything about it! Multiple classes , which gives riders a chance to be seen world wide , which they wouldn't ever get that chance here.

If I was close to Jorge , I'd tell him strait up...." Stay the fuck out of American SX ! ". And keep doing what your doing , because it works. And at least with the whole GP scene , they give a huge stage , for multiple classes and a ton of rider's to show their stuff. And they did that for Jorge......so I hope he stays faithful ( and smart ) and stays out of this stupid meat grinder in the USA!
All of this.
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6/10/2019 9:04pm
Ya know what, I'm not a huge supercross fan, BUT , these guys are the top of the top. Think about it, Carmichael, Stewart, Dungy, and the list goes way back, all ride sx and MX. They lived. . If I'm a pro kicking ass I'd want to try for it all. Supercross is huge, it's doing way better than mx attendance wise, which is coin- no money no show. It shouldn't be 17 rounds. 13 maybe- but the point is the best can ride sx and mx, they've proven it. That being said, I'm glad it's outdoors time.
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6/10/2019 9:12pm
I think Prado would be an instant contender if he raced SX. He would immediately become the "Forkner" or "AC" over here.
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6/10/2019 9:18pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Have a feeling I'll get flamed by some for this.... I hope he does NOT come over here! I'm like a super fan of the kid...
Have a feeling I'll get flamed by some for this....

I hope he does NOT come over here! I'm like a super fan of the kid , and I'd like to see him stay over there and win multiple champiuonship's. I don't want to see a kid with that much talent in outdoor MX , get chewed up in Stupidcross , and then ride only 12 rounds of MX.

The GP scene brought that kid up from mini's , the 125's , and now the 250's , and it was all outdoor stuff. I've steadily found myself over the past 5 - 6 years admiring what the rider's go through over there. Not so much on how GL runs the series ( but it works! )......but just everything about it! Multiple classes , which gives riders a chance to be seen world wide , which they wouldn't ever get that chance here.

If I was close to Jorge , I'd tell him strait up...." Stay the fuck out of American SX ! ". And keep doing what your doing , because it works. And at least with the whole GP scene , they give a huge stage , for multiple classes and a ton of rider's to show their stuff. And they did that for Jorge......so I hope he stays faithful ( and smart ) and stays out of this stupid meat grinder in the USA!
All of this.
Exactly. And think of how much racing they do on the weekend. Practices and qualifying races on Saturday, then more practice on Sunday and 2 motos, X 18 or 19 races, plus their own championships (Belgium, great Britain, etc..) on the off weekends. Prado is better off where he is and will have a long and fruitful career. Yes MX is dangerous too, but SX is far more dangerous. Lets face boys and girls, Europe has America covered in MX, as much as I hate to say it, its true. They race over more varied terrain, weather, and in some cases, shit tracks-but they adapt and find a way to go fast. SX has in the end, ruined MX for America.
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6/10/2019 9:37pm
I disagree, the tracks I've seen in the nats have been gnarly- I ain't giving up on us. Our dudes are nails. I don't doubt Tomac, Roczen, musquin, or any other of about two three more would give herlings or ac or gassy all they could handle if they raced every weekend together. Don't know how'd it turn out but we've got a lot of fast dudes over here. Anderson could be a race winner, there's a lot of dudes over here that rip. The gp's have just about as many, I don't think there's a Stewart or Carmichael out there right now.
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6/10/2019 9:50pm
Ah shit, not this debate again.

I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length of an entire outdoor season week-in-week-out than if Europe sent all of their riders over here. Just my opinion on that. If we sent our riders to Europe, I think Herlings would still reign supreme, and if Europe sent all of their riders over here I think Herlings would probably win the title, but their 10th place guys wouldn't do as well as our 10th place guy. Comparing their results from a one-off event isn't really a fair argument other than both sides of the pond have great racers.
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6/10/2019 10:58pm
I think it would be awfull for GP's and Spain.

But i think it would actually be a good move for him. Prado has nothing left to learn or prove in the 250 GPs so regardless of the rules i think it is best for him if he moves out of that class. He could move to MXGP but then again he has shown interest in US for a long time and coupled with his age and build imo he could still learn and improve by doing SX and a total new outdoor championship.
6/11/2019 1:54am
Why on Earth would he want to go and race the American series, when he can be World Champion.... the American racing doesn't have the best riders, not even close... why would he want to be there?
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6/11/2019 2:27am
jeffro503 wrote:
Have a feeling I'll get flamed by some for this.... I hope he does NOT come over here! I'm like a super fan of the kid...
Have a feeling I'll get flamed by some for this....

I hope he does NOT come over here! I'm like a super fan of the kid , and I'd like to see him stay over there and win multiple champiuonship's. I don't want to see a kid with that much talent in outdoor MX , get chewed up in Stupidcross , and then ride only 12 rounds of MX.

The GP scene brought that kid up from mini's , the 125's , and now the 250's , and it was all outdoor stuff. I've steadily found myself over the past 5 - 6 years admiring what the rider's go through over there. Not so much on how GL runs the series ( but it works! )......but just everything about it! Multiple classes , which gives riders a chance to be seen world wide , which they wouldn't ever get that chance here.

If I was close to Jorge , I'd tell him strait up...." Stay the fuck out of American SX ! ". And keep doing what your doing , because it works. And at least with the whole GP scene , they give a huge stage , for multiple classes and a ton of rider's to show their stuff. And they did that for Jorge......so I hope he stays faithful ( and smart ) and stays out of this stupid meat grinder in the USA!
Damn right Jeffbro!
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6/11/2019 2:28am
Because we needed more US vs GP threads.

Good job Vital.
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6/11/2019 4:23am
Any chance of prado making his way to the us hes dominating those 250 guys over there. ?
A two page thread on the first post. Not bad Noob. Now STFU.

Woohoo
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6/11/2019 4:33am
Maybe he would come as long as he can bring his sister, hahaha
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6/11/2019 4:42am
Maybe he would come as long as he can bring his sister, hahaha
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6/11/2019 5:24am
The same reason many riders before him did.
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6/11/2019 5:32am
Any chance of prado making his way to the us hes dominating those 250 guys over there. ?
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A two page thread on the first post. Not bad Noob. Now STFU.

Woohoo
Been thinking about this for awhile now I follow both series pretty closely. Huge fan of outdoors but would love to see him here hes good.
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Well at times last year he said no. He is staying in the GPs but at the end of the year he said it was still a possibility. Has anyone heard in an interview from him what his stance is now? I’m assuming stay, GL bends the rules for talents like him.
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6/11/2019 8:36am
Ya know what, I'm not a huge supercross fan, BUT , these guys are the top of the top. Think about it, Carmichael, Stewart, Dungy, and...
Ya know what, I'm not a huge supercross fan, BUT , these guys are the top of the top. Think about it, Carmichael, Stewart, Dungy, and the list goes way back, all ride sx and MX. They lived. . If I'm a pro kicking ass I'd want to try for it all. Supercross is huge, it's doing way better than mx attendance wise, which is coin- no money no show. It shouldn't be 17 rounds. 13 maybe- but the point is the best can ride sx and mx, they've proven it. That being said, I'm glad it's outdoors time.
Supercross is huge in the US. Fixed that sentence for you.
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6/11/2019 8:51am Edited Date/Time 6/11/2019 8:54am
Ah shit, not this debate again. I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length...
Ah shit, not this debate again.

I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length of an entire outdoor season week-in-week-out than if Europe sent all of their riders over here. Just my opinion on that. If we sent our riders to Europe, I think Herlings would still reign supreme, and if Europe sent all of their riders over here I think Herlings would probably win the title, but their 10th place guys wouldn't do as well as our 10th place guy. Comparing their results from a one-off event isn't really a fair argument other than both sides of the pond have great racers.
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie, Strijbos etc etc. Do you honestly believe the AMA 450 class stacks up to THAT?

We have Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Lamay, Masterpool, Koga, Merriam etc battling for 10-20th Laughing

Get outta here with that nonsense that we’re more stacked than them Grinning

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Well at times last year he said no. He is staying in the GPs but at the end of the year he said it was still...
Well at times last year he said no. He is staying in the GPs but at the end of the year he said it was still a possibility. Has anyone heard in an interview from him what his stance is now? I’m assuming stay, GL bends the rules for talents like him.
one page back!

read a interview with him and Prado mentioned his dream was going to the USA.
But now he feels himself comfortably in Gp's and specially with the Di Carli team so he don't have the need to go.
It's like the same situation as with Herlings.
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6/11/2019 9:23am
Ah shit, not this debate again. I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length...
Ah shit, not this debate again.

I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length of an entire outdoor season week-in-week-out than if Europe sent all of their riders over here. Just my opinion on that. If we sent our riders to Europe, I think Herlings would still reign supreme, and if Europe sent all of their riders over here I think Herlings would probably win the title, but their 10th place guys wouldn't do as well as our 10th place guy. Comparing their results from a one-off event isn't really a fair argument other than both sides of the pond have great racers.
agn5009 wrote:
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie...
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie, Strijbos etc etc. Do you honestly believe the AMA 450 class stacks up to THAT?

We have Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Lamay, Masterpool, Koga, Merriam etc battling for 10-20th Laughing

Get outta here with that nonsense that we’re more stacked than them Grinning

I don't think we are more stacked than the GP's but certainly competitive.

Roczen, Tomac, Osborne, Anderson, Musquin, Webb, Baggett, Ferris, Barcia, Bogle, Seely, Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Miller, LaMay.

That was the finishing order at Thunder Valley. I believe it stacks up nicely.
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6/11/2019 9:30am
Ah shit, not this debate again. I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length...
Ah shit, not this debate again.

I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length of an entire outdoor season week-in-week-out than if Europe sent all of their riders over here. Just my opinion on that. If we sent our riders to Europe, I think Herlings would still reign supreme, and if Europe sent all of their riders over here I think Herlings would probably win the title, but their 10th place guys wouldn't do as well as our 10th place guy. Comparing their results from a one-off event isn't really a fair argument other than both sides of the pond have great racers.
agn5009 wrote:
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie...
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie, Strijbos etc etc. Do you honestly believe the AMA 450 class stacks up to THAT?

We have Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Lamay, Masterpool, Koga, Merriam etc battling for 10-20th Laughing

Get outta here with that nonsense that we’re more stacked than them Grinning

Enabler wrote:
I don't think we are more stacked than the GP's but certainly competitive. Roczen, Tomac, Osborne, Anderson, Musquin, Webb, Baggett, Ferris, Barcia, Bogle, Seely, Hill, Noren...
I don't think we are more stacked than the GP's but certainly competitive.

Roczen, Tomac, Osborne, Anderson, Musquin, Webb, Baggett, Ferris, Barcia, Bogle, Seely, Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Miller, LaMay.

That was the finishing order at Thunder Valley. I believe it stacks up nicely.
You can forget about from Bogle back. I agree with the rest of the guys, they’d all be competitive too 10 guys anywhere in the world. It’s just hilarious that Devindavis thinks that AMA series is more stacked.
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6/11/2019 9:36am
agn5009 wrote:
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie...
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie, Strijbos etc etc. Do you honestly believe the AMA 450 class stacks up to THAT?

We have Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Lamay, Masterpool, Koga, Merriam etc battling for 10-20th Laughing

Get outta here with that nonsense that we’re more stacked than them Grinning

You listed the guys who win GP's and then compared them to Masterpool and Waters (who does about the same here as he did there)??

If you think that any one of the two series has a disproportionate amount of fast dudes then you are senile. Barring what you may believe a one-off event means for our series (MXON), there is little reason to believe that any one of the two series is distinctly better. I'll give it to you that they have an edge with their focus being exclusively mx, but that does not mean that America is even a level below. We had a less than average showing for us for the last three years at MXON, the last of which was a huge anomaly. America is still very competitive as you can deduce from Lawrence getting his ass handed to him on a weekly basis now (except for 1 good moto where he still rode over his head and crashed again trying to stay with the leader but still managed a second). And that's not a knock on Lawrence as he is one of the best of the best but it just shows how you can't base your assumption off of a couple of races.
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6/11/2019 9:41am Edited Date/Time 6/11/2019 9:46am
Supercross is huge in the US. Fixed that sentence for you.
Actually SX is huge to everyone but the Belgians historically and even Everts himself said the only reason he did not race SX was because of injuries. SX is huge to the French and Austrialians. Anstie and Searle both tried SX. Herlings grew up dreaming of being an SX champion. Tonus tried it. This might be wrong but I bet if Honda did not have Roczen already Tim would be doing it now, Honda seems to be the one holding him back. Why does Coldenhoff wear 259? From a social media perscpitve SX riders are far more popular than MX riders. Suzuki no longer does the GPs or there own National series but they never pulled out of SX so it must matter to the japense too huh? I could go on and on if examples of SXs global reach. There are a few on here that spread the rhortic that SX is not global and it’s laughable.
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6/11/2019 9:44am
agn5009 wrote:
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie...
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie, Strijbos etc etc. Do you honestly believe the AMA 450 class stacks up to THAT?

We have Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Lamay, Masterpool, Koga, Merriam etc battling for 10-20th Laughing

Get outta here with that nonsense that we’re more stacked than them Grinning

scrallex wrote:
You listed the guys who win GP's and then compared them to Masterpool and Waters (who does about the same here as he did there)?? If...
You listed the guys who win GP's and then compared them to Masterpool and Waters (who does about the same here as he did there)??

If you think that any one of the two series has a disproportionate amount of fast dudes then you are senile. Barring what you may believe a one-off event means for our series (MXON), there is little reason to believe that any one of the two series is distinctly better. I'll give it to you that they have an edge with their focus being exclusively mx, but that does not mean that America is even a level below. We had a less than average showing for us for the last three years at MXON, the last of which was a huge anomaly. America is still very competitive as you can deduce from Lawrence getting his ass handed to him on a weekly basis now (except for 1 good moto where he still rode over his head and crashed again trying to stay with the leader but still managed a second). And that's not a knock on Lawrence as he is one of the best of the best but it just shows how you can't base your assumption off of a couple of races.
Lawrence is finishing about where he finished at the GPs. Lawrence was never a Prado, Jonass, Herlings type of rider in MX2 like people seem to think. Everyone thinks because of Lawrence’s performance at MXdN a few years ago that meant he was the next amazing rider. He was a guy who would have a really nice race one week then hover around 7th the next. He was never even a threat to win the championship much less being a dominant rider there.

I believe the top 10 in both series is close. I don’t believe any one series is better than the other. It was just absolutely laughable that Davis said the AMA series is more stacked. That is an absolutely ludicrous statement.

And I listed all the GP riders typically inside the top 20. I didn’t feel it was necessary to list the top 10 in the AMA since Davis knows very well who those guys are. If he thinks the AMA is more stacked then it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t watch the MXGP series.
6/11/2019 10:21am
The GP tracks are prepped way different to the AMA tracks herlings said that at Ironman in 2017 look what happened at redbud when the mxgp guys prepped that track plessinger started crying But if they didn’t prep that track the way they did it would of been a shitshow look how Ironman was In the mud it’s 2 different worlds so you can’t expect them to get same results when they come to the USA and go to Europe it takes time to adjust hence why roger decoster said for this years mxon they will have to get 3 guys willing to do atleast a month in the sand in Europe before going to the race so they can adjust to it and get setup better
6/11/2019 10:25am Edited Date/Time 6/11/2019 10:26am
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Just stop it already. Prado stays in Europe. Is like asking if Marquez leaves MotoGP to American road series. Those guys stay in Europe
Just because MXGP riders have been beating us at MX lately, everyone seems to forget that the most prestigious dirt bike Championship in the world is still the 450 Supercross Championship, And is still the big dream for many riders all over the world. It was also Jorge Prado's dream his entire childhood. That may have changed over the last couple of years, but I bet you when he goes to sleep and dreams, he is still dreaming of winning Anaheim 1 on a 450. Whether you MXGP die-hards believe it or not America is still overall (with SX and MX) the most prestigious of all dirt bike racing destinations.

Yes, I believe like a lot of you that MXGP has taken over the title of the most prestigious MX Championship in the world, but until they start getting 40-60,000 fans at all their races, SX will continue to be THE Championship to win.
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6/11/2019 11:40am
Ah shit, not this debate again. I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length...
Ah shit, not this debate again.

I think if we sent all of our riders to Europe, they would do a lot better over the length of an entire outdoor season week-in-week-out than if Europe sent all of their riders over here. Just my opinion on that. If we sent our riders to Europe, I think Herlings would still reign supreme, and if Europe sent all of their riders over here I think Herlings would probably win the title, but their 10th place guys wouldn't do as well as our 10th place guy. Comparing their results from a one-off event isn't really a fair argument other than both sides of the pond have great racers.
agn5009 wrote:
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie...
Have you seen the MXGP class? It’s absolutely stacked. Herlings, Cairoli, Gajser, Febvre, Desalle, Nagl, Tonus, Jasikonas, Coldenoff, Bobryshev, Jonass, Lieber, Tixier, Paulin, Van Hoorbeek, Antsie, Strijbos etc etc. Do you honestly believe the AMA 450 class stacks up to THAT?

We have Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Lamay, Masterpool, Koga, Merriam etc battling for 10-20th Laughing

Get outta here with that nonsense that we’re more stacked than them Grinning

Enabler wrote:
I don't think we are more stacked than the GP's but certainly competitive. Roczen, Tomac, Osborne, Anderson, Musquin, Webb, Baggett, Ferris, Barcia, Bogle, Seely, Hill, Noren...
I don't think we are more stacked than the GP's but certainly competitive.

Roczen, Tomac, Osborne, Anderson, Musquin, Webb, Baggett, Ferris, Barcia, Bogle, Seely, Hill, Noren, Waters, Locurcio, Miller, LaMay.

That was the finishing order at Thunder Valley. I believe it stacks up nicely.
Everyone from Baggett back would be lucky to be in the top 10.

Ferris best GP moto is a 12, there is your comparison.
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