#7 RAW episode TWO

5/6/2019 7:50am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2019 7:51am
This certainly explains the amount of times he crashed out, he put it all on the line for everyone else only to crash, when you do things for other people and not yourself it doesn't work out as well.

This is the same issue that Tomac is facing right now, he is expected to win everything because he has the ability to do that, but that amount of pressure he just defeats himself before the gate drops a bit different to James' do or die attitude because Tomac has not got that in him, Tomac shines when the pressure is off and theres nothing to gain.

AC is similar also, expected to win everything but makes stupid mistakes due to those expectations, I hope AC watches this and chills out.

You were amazing James, its hard as a young adult to say what you're feeling if you could let that be known earlier maybe you could have had mental help from others and you would of had a better career.

Kudos.
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5/6/2019 7:57am
“I beat Ricky off powdered donuts and sugar water” NBD just talking about how he beat the greatest of all time after eating donuts lol... this is gold
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5/6/2019 7:58am
Villo2fan wrote:
That video made me lose respect for him. Unpopular opinion I know. The factories and sponsors invested millions of dollars into a guy that apparently hated...
That video made me lose respect for him. Unpopular opinion I know. The factories and sponsors invested millions of dollars into a guy that apparently hated his every day life. Has to make them wonder if he really gave it everything he had to be the best. He said it himself he raced Ricky on donuts and sugar water. If I was someone paying him I’d be like, Really?

You think any of the current racers are learning from the retired guys like Villo, RC, and stew? hearing them talk about how much they hated things has to help bring some perspective in regards to burn out. Makes me appreciate Roczens attitude even more especially with the injuries he’s had
It's chump change for them, James was an investment like any top rider and the company came out better off than James did, Teams would literally put James on their team just for his name regardless of results, Yes he got everything handed to him and he had all the tools, but these athletes for the most part get treated like robots, they're humans and everyone responds differently to what they're given.

Ego and prideful athletes do the best in those environments, but you gotta change the program tailored towards the individual, you can eat the best, drink the best, do the best training but you aint gonna do nothing if you're not happy.
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This certainly explains the amount of times he crashed out, he put it all on the line for everyone else only to crash, when you do...
This certainly explains the amount of times he crashed out, he put it all on the line for everyone else only to crash, when you do things for other people and not yourself it doesn't work out as well.

This is the same issue that Tomac is facing right now, he is expected to win everything because he has the ability to do that, but that amount of pressure he just defeats himself before the gate drops a bit different to James' do or die attitude because Tomac has not got that in him, Tomac shines when the pressure is off and theres nothing to gain.

AC is similar also, expected to win everything but makes stupid mistakes due to those expectations, I hope AC watches this and chills out.

You were amazing James, its hard as a young adult to say what you're feeling if you could let that be known earlier maybe you could have had mental help from others and you would of had a better career.

Kudos.
Hearing so many guys talk about this after retirement makes you wonder if they change the culture as mini riders. There will always be pressure. Maybe it starts with grooming at the younger age to deal with it later?

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5/6/2019 8:26am
Really enjoyed the interview, I think it finally gives us fans some insight to him leaving. I was lucky enough to work at Fox and be at a lot of races in 2005-2013, I appreciate being a fan at that time and witnessing all the battles James and Ricky had 2005-2007.

It will be interesting to see if USA Motocross rebounds and it (currently) feels like we will never see riders that hungry again. James was the most exciting guy to watch, and deserved everything he got, he made the sport more cool, single handedly sold products based on his image, and I hate to sound like the "old guy" but I will be telling my kids how amazing Stew was....

Hope to see him involved in the sport again someday, announcing or riding for fun. From the sound of the video he is still pretty burnt out and needs some time.
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5/6/2019 8:32am
Cool video, glad to watch it and not gonna sit here and dissect it. James story is his own, and every athletes story is different and their own. Nothing anyone on this forum thinks, says or writes means a hill of beans.

RC, RV have their own stories and I bet there are many similarities, and many contrasts.

James was the fastest and most talented rider to ever compete, he was not the most winning racer.

Dan Marino, best arm ever, most fierce competitor ever and zero championships. Michael Andretti never won the 500. Jim Kelley from the Bills. Tiger Woods had a huge fall from grace.

Its nothing unique, James is just another athlete who had his time and has moved on.

Youre a fan or a hater.

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5/6/2019 9:17am
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I hear so much arrogance. He thinks he knows so much more about how everyone feels. Its sad that he didn't enjoy more of it. Honestly...
I hear so much arrogance. He thinks he knows so much more about how everyone feels. Its sad that he didn't enjoy more of it. Honestly as a father with a son who races, it makes me angry that his parents didn't help him with life balance more. He put the pressure on himself and then didn't know how to deal with it. I loved watching him ride, but he sounds like a complete headcase. Hopefully he is finding some balance and inner peace in retirement and parenthood.
What is funny you comparing your situation to the Stewarts situation!!!! The arrogance in that is what is SAD.
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Maybe I am misremembering, but I think he said in the past that he "couldn't wait for A1".
If he hated it so much, then that "can't wait" business must have been a lie.

I never could figure out people who hate their job, but keep doing it.
So many people who have regular jobs would give anything to get to race dirt bikes for millions of dollars. Kind of disappointing to find out that he hated and resented it the whole time he was doing it..........and apparently still does.
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5/6/2019 10:39am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2019 10:52am
just James wrote:
Maybe I am misremembering, but I think he said in the past that he "couldn't wait for A1". If he hated it so much, then that...
Maybe I am misremembering, but I think he said in the past that he "couldn't wait for A1".
If he hated it so much, then that "can't wait" business must have been a lie.

I never could figure out people who hate their job, but keep doing it.
So many people who have regular jobs would give anything to get to race dirt bikes for millions of dollars. Kind of disappointing to find out that he hated and resented it the whole time he was doing it..........and apparently still does.
I see it differently. He was led down this path at a young age and the longer he went down it, the fewer options he had in life to get out of it while still being successful. If I decide to jump out of my profession tomorrow, I have enough experience and the education to make a good living doing something totally different. By the time he probably realized that he hated it, what choice did he have? Pass on millions of dollars to go enter the workforce with no experience, no education and no training?

He was trapped in that life and I imagine that probably contributed to him resenting it so much.
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This comment isn't directed at just James but any pro rider really.....

Always confused me how when a guy makes it his parents look at dude like a lottery ticket and "retire". How many moto parents still work after the kid signs a contract? I think Dungey's dad still poured concrete, don't know about his mom. I've never heard anyone say if Big James worked while James was racing, or his mom. Don't they live on the compound now? Obviously James doesn't. Didn't RV split with his parents for a couple years? Was is Josh Grant's parents that took most of his money when he was with FC Honda? Kinda shitty to force a 5yr to race then when he makes it big ask for your money back plus interest.

May be a little off track but I think RC took the sport down this path we are on with trainers and being super fit. Seemed like back in the day guys got by on talent and some fitness, once RC hired Alden things changed. For example, I've never heard Bailey, Hannah, Johnson, Glover, Smith etc complain about hating racing or hating the sport once they retired.
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The one thing about Stewart that just astonishes me is...didn't he say or imply (more than one time) that he wasn't done racing? That he wasn't going to out that way etc... In some way it seems like he purposely lead people on to believe there this "chance" he may return. In reality, it's painfully obvious at this point there was never any intention of him ever returning to racing.
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I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all BS but his fans called us all haters. Well like some of us called it, IT WAS BS.
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I can relate... since I quit racing i now enjoy the smell of spring here in the great NW...
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I found the first one interesting and I enjoyed it. Only made it about 6 minutes into this one. Apparently, I'm no longer interested.
I didn't make it through either.
Not his biggest fan but I have all the respect in the world for him and love watching him ride, just never rooted for him. I don't feel like he's saying anything I didn't know or expect already, maybe it's the questions being asked.

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5/6/2019 12:29pm
sam hain wrote:
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all...
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all BS but his fans called us all haters. Well like some of us called it, IT WAS BS.
Or maybe he hadn't decided that he was done at that time. Got any quotes? James or Sr. tell you personally? Didn't think so.
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sam hain wrote:
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all...
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all BS but his fans called us all haters. Well like some of us called it, IT WAS BS.
Yes, sam hain has it exactly right. It just seems like the MX community was intentionally mislead.
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sam hain wrote:
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all...
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all BS but his fans called us all haters. Well like some of us called it, IT WAS BS.
Or maybe he hadn't decided that he was done at that time. Got any quotes? James or Sr. tell you personally? Didn't think so.
And yet here they come outta the wood work HAHA

Don't you remember the whole Honda thing about "oh we'll race but we need factory ECU's"

What about blistergate at Millville?
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5/6/2019 12:37pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2019 1:04pm
sam hain wrote:
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all...
I think moto732 meant the last couple years him and his dad have dropped hints about him returning to racing. Most people knew it was all BS but his fans called us all haters. Well like some of us called it, IT WAS BS.
The only thing I recall James "saying" (posting on IG) was the night before A1 2017, when he said he'd be back on his own terms. That obviously didn't happen, and I imagine they'll get to his eventual decision to retire as these interviews continue. Call me naive, but I don't think he was intentionally misleading anyone when he posted that; I think things didn't line up the way he wanted (enter factory ECU joke here) and he decided to call it a career. From what we now know based on these interviews, he'd obviously been struggling for a long time with the desire to continue racing. Add kids to the mix, a bunch of money in the bank, and no big factory contract on the table, and the decision to walk away looks pretty damn easy.
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just James wrote:
Maybe I am misremembering, but I think he said in the past that he "couldn't wait for A1". If he hated it so much, then that...
Maybe I am misremembering, but I think he said in the past that he "couldn't wait for A1".
If he hated it so much, then that "can't wait" business must have been a lie.

I never could figure out people who hate their job, but keep doing it.
So many people who have regular jobs would give anything to get to race dirt bikes for millions of dollars. Kind of disappointing to find out that he hated and resented it the whole time he was doing it..........and apparently still does.
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I see it differently. He was led down this path at a young age and the longer he went down it, the fewer options he had...
I see it differently. He was led down this path at a young age and the longer he went down it, the fewer options he had in life to get out of it while still being successful. If I decide to jump out of my profession tomorrow, I have enough experience and the education to make a good living doing something totally different. By the time he probably realized that he hated it, what choice did he have? Pass on millions of dollars to go enter the workforce with no experience, no education and no training?

He was trapped in that life and I imagine that probably contributed to him resenting it so much.
Anyone with that drive and determination will make it at basically anything they decide to do.
As a kid, he had no choice in the matter, but after he reached adulthood he could have gone a different direction. Especially within the moto industry. With his notoriety, I am sure that any number of companies would have been thrilled to have him working for them.
BTW, I can understand him not personally attending Malcolm's races. It would just steal the spotlight from Malcolm.
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The same kid that used to fall asleep watching old supercross races every night never actually liked racing?

I have to believe that the pressure of feeling like he had to win made him eventually hate racing, but I can’t believe he hated it all along.
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From listening to Stewart, he was always handicapped in some way. Never admits that outdoors RC was just flat out better and kicked his ass. Even in 07 when Carmichael was part timing it he walked all over Stewart. Stewart was the better SX rider of the two, but outdoors there was no doubt that Carmichael was the best. Stewart had all of 05, 06, and a few races in 07 against Carmichael outdoors. Plenty of time to prove himself against Carmichael. Maybe he squeaked out a moto win or two but that's all. Carmichael kicked his ass virtually every time they lined up outdoors. Stewart was always over his head when he was running Carmichael's pace. "I beat Ricky on powdered donuts and sugar water". What? He edged Carmichael out in one sx season and got waxed by carmichael in all outdoor seasons.
What I don't like is all the excuses, all the talk about crashes and injuries that he had FROM TRYING TO KEEP CARMICHAELS PACE OUTDOORS, and followed with "I coulda smoked Carmichael in 08". No. Carmichesl would have done the same shit and Stewart would have crashed out trying to stop him.
James gives no other riders credit. Not even the goat. If anyone beat him it was because of his bike,.bad luck, illness, or SOMETHING. It drives me nuts to listen to. Stewart had the raw talent to squeak out one sx title over Carmichael, but he didn't have what it took outdoors to take a title from Carmichael. Not even close. Not ever. He had plenty of chances to show otherwise. He got smoked the vast majority of times and never got a smell of the outdoor title as long as RC was in it. Fact. Stewart talks about what held him back or bad luck or inferior bikes. The shit all riders experience. It was never just him not being good enough or someone else being better in any way. It's aggravating to listen to. He's the most talented ever, but Carmichael overall is the best ever. Not even close. I was disappointed in a lot of shit Stewart said and not aknowledging how badass Carmichael was. I can't respect it. I almost wish I hadn't watched the shit.
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At Budds the year he went perfect on the 125, which by the way was poetry in motion, I got a glimpse. It's between motos, at...
At Budds the year he went perfect on the 125, which by the way was poetry in motion, I got a glimpse.

It's between motos, at the Stewart motor home. Big James is holding court with a slew of mini dads, telling them how they made it. The crowd hanging around is all buzzing, high on just what they had witnessed. Like they were part of it or something. The announcer is going on and on over the loudspeaker on what a great exhibition of riding skill we just witnessed blah blah blah.

Its like a mini festival or something.

And then there's James.

He's sitting on the step of the motor home, in the doorway. Still in dirt caked gear. Head almost between his knees, staring at the ground.

Half heartedly I raise the Nikon. Just as I take the shot he looks up, directly into the camera.

I tell u guys, what came thru the viewfinder when I checked it later on confirmed the feeling I had when I took the shot. The look on his face...... I dunno.
It was that forlorn animal caged at the zoo, mixed with the guy disgusted with his crappy job at work.

I remember thinking, that's success?

Still feel guilty for taking that shot. Never downloaded it. Left it on a SIM card that's sitting in a drawer somewhere, where it belongs.
Summed up perfectly.
Mini dads are fucking the sport. Local to amateur/pro
Actually mini mums should be included to.
Too much pressure on the young ones
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From listening to Stewart, he was always handicapped in some way. Never admits that outdoors RC was just flat out better and kicked his ass. Even...
From listening to Stewart, he was always handicapped in some way. Never admits that outdoors RC was just flat out better and kicked his ass. Even in 07 when Carmichael was part timing it he walked all over Stewart. Stewart was the better SX rider of the two, but outdoors there was no doubt that Carmichael was the best. Stewart had all of 05, 06, and a few races in 07 against Carmichael outdoors. Plenty of time to prove himself against Carmichael. Maybe he squeaked out a moto win or two but that's all. Carmichael kicked his ass virtually every time they lined up outdoors. Stewart was always over his head when he was running Carmichael's pace. "I beat Ricky on powdered donuts and sugar water". What? He edged Carmichael out in one sx season and got waxed by carmichael in all outdoor seasons.
What I don't like is all the excuses, all the talk about crashes and injuries that he had FROM TRYING TO KEEP CARMICHAELS PACE OUTDOORS, and followed with "I coulda smoked Carmichael in 08". No. Carmichesl would have done the same shit and Stewart would have crashed out trying to stop him.
James gives no other riders credit. Not even the goat. If anyone beat him it was because of his bike,.bad luck, illness, or SOMETHING. It drives me nuts to listen to. Stewart had the raw talent to squeak out one sx title over Carmichael, but he didn't have what it took outdoors to take a title from Carmichael. Not even close. Not ever. He had plenty of chances to show otherwise. He got smoked the vast majority of times and never got a smell of the outdoor title as long as RC was in it. Fact. Stewart talks about what held him back or bad luck or inferior bikes. The shit all riders experience. It was never just him not being good enough or someone else being better in any way. It's aggravating to listen to. He's the most talented ever, but Carmichael overall is the best ever. Not even close. I was disappointed in a lot of shit Stewart said and not aknowledging how badass Carmichael was. I can't respect it. I almost wish I hadn't watched the shit.
This is correct.
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5/7/2019 12:50am
This certainly explains the amount of times he crashed out, he put it all on the line for everyone else only to crash, when you do...
This certainly explains the amount of times he crashed out, he put it all on the line for everyone else only to crash, when you do things for other people and not yourself it doesn't work out as well.

This is the same issue that Tomac is facing right now, he is expected to win everything because he has the ability to do that, but that amount of pressure he just defeats himself before the gate drops a bit different to James' do or die attitude because Tomac has not got that in him, Tomac shines when the pressure is off and theres nothing to gain.

AC is similar also, expected to win everything but makes stupid mistakes due to those expectations, I hope AC watches this and chills out.

You were amazing James, its hard as a young adult to say what you're feeling if you could let that be known earlier maybe you could have had mental help from others and you would of had a better career.

Kudos.
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Hearing so many guys talk about this after retirement makes you wonder if they change the culture as mini riders. There will always be pressure. Maybe...
Hearing so many guys talk about this after retirement makes you wonder if they change the culture as mini riders. There will always be pressure. Maybe it starts with grooming at the younger age to deal with it later?
Yeah it would definately help, someone needs to be involved who can spot what the certain individual responds well to which is ultimately keeping the athelete happy, and material things don't cut it.

Webb for example has a chip on his shoulder/ego rider same with Herlings you can put them through more pressure and they'll come out on top but for others you need to take a different approach.

Some riders don't want it plain and simple, which is hard to spot because that comes on in later in life when it's no longer riding with your buddies.
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I was VERY surprised to learn that he hated racing so much. I thought he enjoyed it.
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5/7/2019 4:57am
Our sport really does set 99.9% of fast amateurs up for failure. These parents invest 300k into their kids amateur career before having any clue whether or not their kids will make it. I’m surprised we don’t see more kids have mental health meltdowns. Maybe it’s that they’re young and resilient and don’t know any better until they’re in their late 20s and realize they hate dirt bikes and retire.
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I found the first one interesting and I enjoyed it. Only made it about 6 minutes into this one. Apparently, I'm no longer interested.
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I didn't make it through either. Not his biggest fan but I have all the respect in the world for him and love watching him ride...
I didn't make it through either.
Not his biggest fan but I have all the respect in the world for him and love watching him ride, just never rooted for him. I don't feel like he's saying anything I didn't know or expect already, maybe it's the questions being asked.

The last half was all the good stuff.
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I was VERY surprised to learn that he hated racing so much. I thought he enjoyed it.
I think he just hated the expectations everyone had for him to win every race, and that made him hate racing.. I hope he can find that joy of riding soon, I'd love to see him fat and happy at Loretta's in the vet class
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BobKerr wrote:
I was VERY surprised to learn that he hated racing so much. I thought he enjoyed it.
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I think he just hated the expectations everyone had for him to win every race, and that made him hate racing.. I hope he can find...
I think he just hated the expectations everyone had for him to win every race, and that made him hate racing.. I hope he can find that joy of riding soon, I'd love to see him fat and happy at Loretta's in the vet class
I agree. I totally understand his love/hate relationship with the sport. It was his entire identity so when he wasn't winning as expected...his entire life implodes on itself which really sinks the mental ship.

I hope he finds some peace with the sport and comes back around in a different capacity. Would be great to hear him as a guest host at one of the races.
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Love hearing JS. He is a living legend, so it's always great hearing his perspective.
#2 on the AMA Pro win list, and was one of the key figures that moved MX into a more mainstream view.

I think he was the most talented bike rider in history, and his battles with Reed and RC are some of the best I have had the privilege of watching.

It's very interesting hearing about the pressure a legendary racer can feel during their career. Hoping he and maybe RD5, and RV can ride for enjoyment some day.
Either way, hoping he enjoys retirement. He has earned it.

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