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fullysicmate 5/5/2019 2:32pm
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Mike P. wrote:
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in...
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in him to be successful, but not as a motocross rider at this level.
Big disagree here, he could get on a 450 and be a contender next year. I hope he does. The kid is as talented as anyone.
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Mike Alessi like AC were champion prodigies since their mini days and therefore there is a much higher expectation for them than say Jason Anderson whose...
Mike Alessi like AC were champion prodigies since their mini days and therefore there is a much higher expectation for them than say Jason Anderson whose amateur career was average at best (but he became SC champion). These guys have won their whole lives and now all of sudden they're not That plays into their heads, but also into sponsors who pay them well to win (PC is in the business of championships (don't get it twisted) and they have given AC a lot of rope. Why do you think James Stewart didn't start his own team after he lost his ride at Suzuki (yeah I saw his latest video, but he also did not say he was retiring)...remember when Chad started 22 racing. Chad was a champion and now he's what finishing 10 -12 place at best...do you think he want's to be out there doing this with those results after the career he lead...I think not? He's likely doing because 22 racing cost him a lot of money & now he has a family to support and this is what he knows how to do to support them, but this is not how he wanted his career to end. AC is only 22, and will spoken, heck he could play a huge role in the sport, but why waste time as a rider with the results he's been getting over the years when he has so much more to offer off the bike.
how much money do you make legend?
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Mike P. wrote:
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in...
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in him to be successful, but not as a motocross rider at this level.
WTF did I just read
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I think he should move up to the 450 even if he has no titles. It has not worked as planned in the 250's. Time to change. At some point soon it will hurt his future development staying on the 250. He is at the age to move up.

In the big scheme of things, him losing the title last night is meaningless in relation to his 450 career potential. Move his line over two inches to the right and he probably does not go down and he is 250 champion.
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Tarz483 5/5/2019 2:56pm
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I Hope He stays Down 1 more year and dominates,
It will feel Good going into the Big bike class after Dominating.
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I Hope He stays Down 1 more year and dominates,
It will feel Good going into the Big bike class after Dominating.
I get what you are saying but you never know what can happen. Plus, I would imagine he would have to face Sexton next year and that could be very tough even for Adam. I doubt Sexton will want to race against Forkner next year so if Adam is still on PC they would probably face each other in the series. Maybe Ferrandis too.

It may be risky for AC careerwise to stay down. He is probably still the hottest 250 prospect right now to move up.
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mattmatt300 wrote:
I’ll put a $20 down that AC never wins a big bike title inside or out.
This is a sucker bet with the current pool of talent in the 450 class.
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Tarz483 wrote:
I Hope He stays Down 1 more year and dominates,
It will feel Good going into the Big bike class after Dominating.
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I get what you are saying but you never know what can happen. Plus, I would imagine he would have to face Sexton next year and...
I get what you are saying but you never know what can happen. Plus, I would imagine he would have to face Sexton next year and that could be very tough even for Adam. I doubt Sexton will want to race against Forkner next year so if Adam is still on PC they would probably face each other in the series. Maybe Ferrandis too.

It may be risky for AC careerwise to stay down. He is probably still the hottest 250 prospect right now to move up.
I Guess it Depends on what the offers are that are on the Table wich i will never know, and how long he plans to Race , so i can only say my opinions , assuming he has another 3-5 years at least , then i would Stay down another Year , im sure the money is good , the win bonuses are good, he is as fast as the other guys you mentioned, and there is still plenty of time left in his career to Race 450 in the future.
I fear that if He goes now he will be more like the next Kevin windham and ve Great but not win championships.
Maybe fear isnt the Right word , feel or Guess, i really think he needs A 250 championship. But maybe he gets the outdoor title than maybe my opinion would change.
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King KTM 5/5/2019 3:17pm
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How did former 250 champion Hill or even better former and current champion Webb do his first year on a 450 compared with not former champion of anything Savatgy. Maybe you guys should wait gine AC minute to turn some laps on the 450.
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kpiper 5/5/2019 3:21pm
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Tarz483 wrote:
I Guess it Depends on what the offers are that are on the Table wich i will never know, and how long he plans to Race...
I Guess it Depends on what the offers are that are on the Table wich i will never know, and how long he plans to Race , so i can only say my opinions , assuming he has another 3-5 years at least , then i would Stay down another Year , im sure the money is good , the win bonuses are good, he is as fast as the other guys you mentioned, and there is still plenty of time left in his career to Race 450 in the future.
I fear that if He goes now he will be more like the next Kevin windham and ve Great but not win championships.
Maybe fear isnt the Right word , feel or Guess, i really think he needs A 250 championship. But maybe he gets the outdoor title than maybe my opinion would change.
Same as Eli. He 'should' win the Nationals this summer. I actually think he will. My point was I think the teams know he was the fastest guy and except for a very small deviation, at a single moment, on line choice, he would be the 250 SX champ.

He was just three minutes away from it! Smile Everyone who does hiring knows that.
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mattmatt300 wrote:
I’ll put a $20 down that AC never wins a big bike title inside or out.
You’d have said the same about Webb 12 months ago.
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drt410 5/5/2019 3:25pm
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Hes 1 cross rut away from the championship. Shit happens. I hope he stays on the 250 and redeems himself. He learned midway thru this season how to relax. The early crashes were because he gets antsy, this was just bad luck. Hell be fine. He smoked everyone at the east west shootouts. Hes a beast that has some bad luck. Hell just have to dig deeper. Webb had a few bad years too, now look at him. If AC turns it around this will just be another part of his journey to the top.
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Jamie_Munro 5/5/2019 3:30pm
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woody woodpecker wrote:
The dude cross-rutted and crashed, the bike displacement had nothing to do with that. If he cracks under the pressure of a 250 championship it'll be...
The dude cross-rutted and crashed, the bike displacement had nothing to do with that. If he cracks under the pressure of a 250 championship it'll be way worse in the 450s.
i don't think making a mistake is cracking under pressure, you ride? you live a life? shit happens.
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Langhammx 5/5/2019 3:34pm
5/5/2019 3:34pm
So much “DUMB” posting in this thread !
(You know who you are !!! )
250premixer 5/5/2019 5:18pm
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Mike P. wrote:
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in...
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in him to be successful, but not as a motocross rider at this level.
He already is a successful motocross rider. He's better than basically everyone else in the 250 class.
aFACEdismembered 5/5/2019 5:47pm
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Riders are paid to win and at this rate he'll be another Mike Alessi...bet on it.
I forgot about the time Alessi lost a 250 West championship in Vegas with 6 laps to go. I'll have to rewatch that race on YouTube.
TeamPropainTurbo38t 5/5/2019 5:50pm
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Way to fuggin go Adam! I'd rather see someone going for it than someone settling for it. Bubba was so much more fun to watch than Reed....RV so much more fun to watch than Dungey. Show up n blow up.
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Squirrelings 5/5/2019 6:01pm
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Mike P. wrote:
Riders are paid to win and at this rate he'll be another Mike Alessi...bet on it.
Mike Alessi is a fucking badass, unlike the never was talking shit about him.
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Mike P. 5/5/2019 6:11pm
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Wow, this has blown up so much more than I intended, but let me clarify a couple of things based on the comments some of you have sent. Yes, Jason Anderson did win like 5 Loretta's titles, but those titles are nowhere near the riders that had the expectation of going on to great things in the pros. To name a few, Stewart, Alessi & Cincarilro. The point I was trying to make is that these guys were given the best opportunities coming out of the amateur ranks because they were so successful as amateurs. The pressure on Jason Anderson to win was nowhere near what it was for Stewart, Alessi & AC. If you think that AC is comfortable being a top 10 rider then you don't know a thing about the mentality of a champion. These guys have one thing on their minds and that is winning. So to my point, it's not going to happen for AC and this is a guy that has the gift of gib and seems smart, so why not take those gifts and get paid, because racing ain't gonna do it for him (I promise). Now, this is bigger than racing, it's a business plain and simple and if you ain't winning then sponsors are not paying (just remember that).
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Mike P. wrote:
Mike Alessi like AC were champion prodigies since their mini days and therefore there is a much higher expectation for them than say Jason Anderson whose...
Mike Alessi like AC were champion prodigies since their mini days and therefore there is a much higher expectation for them than say Jason Anderson whose amateur career was average at best (but he became SC champion). These guys have won their whole lives and now all of sudden they're not That plays into their heads, but also into sponsors who pay them well to win (PC is in the business of championships (don't get it twisted) and they have given AC a lot of rope. Why do you think James Stewart didn't start his own team after he lost his ride at Suzuki (yeah I saw his latest video, but he also did not say he was retiring)...remember when Chad started 22 racing. Chad was a champion and now he's what finishing 10 -12 place at best...do you think he want's to be out there doing this with those results after the career he lead...I think not? He's likely doing because 22 racing cost him a lot of money & now he has a family to support and this is what he knows how to do to support them, but this is not how he wanted his career to end. AC is only 22, and will spoken, heck he could play a huge role in the sport, but why waste time as a rider with the results he's been getting over the years when he has so much more to offer off the bike.
Dude, stfu already. You are just dumb. Dumb!!

You are CLEARLY a Home-school drop out. Get back to digging that ditch and filling up AC’s gas tank when he pulls in to the gas station you work at.
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toomanykaws wrote:
The comments and theories guys come up with. Amazing. Lot of fortune tellers on here spinning crystal balls,
kijen wrote:
Remember at the begining of the year some were saying Webb is just a top 10 guy, don't understand why people think they can actually predict...
Remember at the begining of the year some were saying Webb is just a top 10 guy, don't understand why people think they can actually predict the future, there is a reason why they actually race. AC is a very talented racer and has a chance, time will tell.
Good point, I was one of the people saying Cooper would not even be top 5, humble pie right there! and that is not a anti KTM thing at all, I just didnt think the guy had the mental strength to win it, I was wrong.

I think its easy to say whether a rider will be successful or not, 50% chance of being right eh? What doesn't help is the high number of keyboard warriors on Vital.
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haydos25 5/5/2019 6:40pm
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Mike P. wrote:
Wow, this has blown up so much more than I intended, but let me clarify a couple of things based on the comments some of you...
Wow, this has blown up so much more than I intended, but let me clarify a couple of things based on the comments some of you have sent. Yes, Jason Anderson did win like 5 Loretta's titles, but those titles are nowhere near the riders that had the expectation of going on to great things in the pros. To name a few, Stewart, Alessi & Cincarilro. The point I was trying to make is that these guys were given the best opportunities coming out of the amateur ranks because they were so successful as amateurs. The pressure on Jason Anderson to win was nowhere near what it was for Stewart, Alessi & AC. If you think that AC is comfortable being a top 10 rider then you don't know a thing about the mentality of a champion. These guys have one thing on their minds and that is winning. So to my point, it's not going to happen for AC and this is a guy that has the gift of gib and seems smart, so why not take those gifts and get paid, because racing ain't gonna do it for him (I promise). Now, this is bigger than racing, it's a business plain and simple and if you ain't winning then sponsors are not paying (just remember that).
AC is already getting paid to race, and will continue getting paid to race for many years to come. I would suggest that means its working out for him just fine. Alessi has made millions and is still getting paid to race, he is also a success, maybe not up to some peoples expectations but he is by no means a failure. As far as the other gifts that AC has, they will be there long after his MX racing window has closed and he will have plenty of time to explore that if he so chooses.

Everyone seems to suggest he would be a great broadcaster in the future. If that's the case, how much do you think RC is making? I'd be willing to bet its not as much as AC would've made from salary and win bonuses this year. So if those are his two options then i'd say he sticks with this racing thing for a little longer, it seems to be working out ok.
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DKmxFAN 5/5/2019 6:45pm
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Mike P. wrote:
Riders are paid to win and at this rate he'll be another Mike Alessi...bet on it.
Mike alessi is a millionaire!
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If AC wants to move up to the 450s then all good, there won't be any real pressure on him the first year. Actually probably be more expectations if he stays in the 250s.
And regardless of his heartbreak in SX there's still the full outdoor season to come, there's every chance he's finishes the year with a completely different mindset to how he's feeling right now.
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mattmatt300 5/6/2019 8:11am
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mattmatt300 wrote:
I’ll put a $20 down that AC never wins a big bike title inside or out.
109 wrote:
You’d have said the same about Webb 12 months ago.
I figured CW would figure it out eventually. Just had to get off that Yamaha. AC on the other hand can’t keep it together on arguably the best equipment in a less stacked field. I’m surprised nobody has taken me up on this bet yet.
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Mike P. wrote:
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in...
I agree, he won't be competitive on the 450. He's a smart guy and should go to college or something because he definitely has it in him to be successful, but not as a motocross rider at this level.
Are u retarded. He's the fastest guy in the 250 class
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PEPE001 5/6/2019 11:06am
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toomanykaws wrote:
The comments and theories guys come up with. Amazing. Lot of fortune tellers on here spinning crystal balls,
More like spinning their own balls Evil
fatpurplepanda 5/6/2019 11:38am
5/6/2019 11:38am
What happened to everyone thinking a regional championship doesn't matter? Now that AC threw one away, it's the end of his career?
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RichardLoots 5/6/2019 11:47am
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Tarz483 wrote:
I Hope He stays Down 1 more year and dominates,
It will feel Good going into the Big bike class after Dominating.
Ferrandis wants to stay another year in 250 too ... what if Dylan beats him again ?? i mean AC won races but didnt dominate this season like Forkner did in his series
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BobKerr 5/6/2019 1:28pm
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6th-10th his first year on a 450.

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