Swap Talking about Racing 2019 RMZ125 this weekend

Gravel wrote:

The Bills pipe that looks fully developed seems odd if these are one-off homebuilt conversions..

chuckdavies wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339531/s1200_2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/17/339532/s1200_1.jpg[/img] Anyone know the 19 RM-Z 250 enough to confirm that these are unmodified frame rails as being discussed? They do seem pretty OEM-looking.

Anyone know the 19 RM-Z 250 enough to confirm that these are unmodified frame rails as being discussed? They do seem pretty OEM-looking.

Gravel wrote:

The Bills pipe that looks fully developed seems odd if these are one-off homebuilt conversions..

ML512 wrote:

It’s the pipe they had for the prior RM-125.

Gravel wrote:

The Bills pipe that looks fully developed seems odd if these are one-off homebuilt conversions..

ML512 wrote:

It’s the pipe they had for the prior RM-125.

Gravel wrote:

Lol, I never have the good fortune for adapted parts to just fit that perfectly!

Still hoping for a new small bore 2 stroke..

CivBars wrote:

Did Swap end up racing this thing?

CivBars wrote:

I don't think that a true cone pipe anyway

Tarz483 wrote:

https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y Toward the end of this Podcast Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit Hopefully will be available to the public That turns A RMZ250 into...

https://youtu.be/iTXGD75Pe9Y
Toward the end of this Podcast
Swap Talks about Suzuki making a Kit
Hopefully will be available to the public
That turns A RMZ250 into a 125
Basically selling separately a 125 motor that bolts Right in.
That sounds super sweet to me.
Would that Be enough to make you choose to Buy a RMZ250 if you where planning to buy a 250f ?
I think it would me. Just knowing there is an option to go back and forth is really Rad.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

Idk man. A lot of money just to get a 125. I really have no use for a 250f. So $6000 for a 250f plus the...

Idk man. A lot of money just to get a 125. I really have no use for a 250f. So $6000 for a 250f plus the 125 kit which can't be less than $3000.. $9000 for a 125 in the new chassis and a 250f motor that does me no good? Naa. I'm okay. I'd rather buy a 2001-2006 RM125 and completely go through it and keep it in the original chassis.

yz133rider wrote:

And the 04+ rm125 was a really really good chassis. You could put a-kit on it, ported cylinder, lectron, and be in it for under 6-7k...

And the 04+ rm125 was a really really good chassis. You could put a-kit on it, ported cylinder, lectron, and be in it for under 6-7k all in compared to the new kit bull shit where the chassis isnt even matched properly for the 125 engine.

CivBars wrote:

I don't think that a true cone pipe anyway

kaboom645 wrote:

Its not. Just a regular pipe that they took a tig torch and run it around the pipe to give the cone pipe appearance

CivBars wrote:

I don't think that a true cone pipe anyway

kaboom645 wrote:

Its not. Just a regular pipe that they took a tig torch and run it around the pipe to give the cone pipe appearance

mxjon454 wrote:

Still looks bad ass IMO. I’d buy this pipe over their normal looking ones any day.

PJRAUS wrote:

There was a guy out at our track today with one . He said it's a 2010 chassis with the 08 rm 125 motor [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/21/340910/s1200_20190422_130932.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/21/340911/s1200_20190422_130906.jpg[/img]

There was a guy out at our track today with one . He said it's a 2010 chassis with the 08 rm 125 motor

CivBars wrote:

Did Swap end up racing this thing?

Press516 wrote:

Looks like A Ray dropped a P4 on the Zook, behind 2 Husky’s and a Yamaha...

rob162 wrote:

This is what I said when they debuted the new style chassis in spy photos and the magized test in Japan. The only reason they would...

This is what I said when they debuted the new style chassis in spy photos and the magized test in Japan. The only reason they would change the front of the frame and rails to make it a center port exhaust was to be able to put a 2 stroke motor in it. Does not make sense to do that otherwise.

Talked to a few people ive had the pleasure of meeting over the years and they're saying it's not just for a 125 2 stroke but also the 250 two stroke. At least it has been heavily discussed. The idea for the 250 is to reproduce the last 250 motor in short runs with mods to fit this chassis and do the yamaha thing updates only if you have to.

I like the ideas no risk, tons of reward.

PJRAUS wrote:

There was a guy out at our track today with one . He said it's a 2010 chassis with the 08 rm 125 motor [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/21/340910/s1200_20190422_130932.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/21/340911/s1200_20190422_130906.jpg[/img]

There was a guy out at our track today with one . He said it's a 2010 chassis with the 08 rm 125 motor

CivBars wrote:

Interesting. That's awesome! Do you know if he built it or had it built or bought it that way?

PJRAUS wrote:

He said he was given the project...a chassis and a motor. Got a proper engineer to do the frame mods which he said were extensive, then...

He said he was given the project...a chassis and a motor. Got a proper engineer to do the frame mods which he said were extensive, then properly strength tested ...the engineer was a friend who charges about $150 per hour and spent around 60 hours on it. But the owner did a big job for the engineer as a trade.
Owner did most everything else and he said it was no easy task...he scoffed at the idea of Suzuki supplying a kit to convert the 4 stroke...he can't see it as either doable or feasible.
He had to buy forks and wheels and a bunch of other stuff ,said he spent about $5 k. Says it handles sweet..

kaboom645 wrote:

Its not. Just a regular pipe that they took a tig torch and run it around the pipe to give the cone pipe appearance

mxjon454 wrote:

Still looks bad ass IMO. I’d buy this pipe over their normal looking ones any day.

CivBars wrote:

Heck yeah! Raw Faux Cone should be an option for FMF and Pro Circuit too

motokiwi wrote:

Faux cone pipes are so shit. They are the spoke wraps of pipes

PJRAUS wrote:

He said he was given the project...a chassis and a motor. Got a proper engineer to do the frame mods which he said were extensive, then...

He said he was given the project...a chassis and a motor. Got a proper engineer to do the frame mods which he said were extensive, then properly strength tested ...the engineer was a friend who charges about $150 per hour and spent around 60 hours on it. But the owner did a big job for the engineer as a trade.
Owner did most everything else and he said it was no easy task...he scoffed at the idea of Suzuki supplying a kit to convert the 4 stroke...he can't see it as either doable or feasible.
He had to buy forks and wheels and a bunch of other stuff ,said he spent about $5 k. Says it handles sweet..

Bearuno wrote:

Well, PJ, I'm [i]all [/i]for Contra deals - it's how I still get OS a few times a year for GPs etc. Hell, this old Engineer...

Well, PJ, I'm all for Contra deals - it's how I still get OS a few times a year for GPs etc. Hell, this old Engineer (Me) thinks he's winning Big on the contra scale of things - one day, my contra providers might just wake up to themselves. I hope not, I've a few productive years left in me, still, I hope.......

But, if this bloke with the 125AF did a Big job for The Engineer, well, The Engineer got a hell of a deal.

60hrs in the fitting of the engine....... there must have been a lot of Vitarding = a lot of Pizza, and Naps in that for said Engineers job time count.

There's no 'rocket science' to even the most complicated of 'AFings'.

But, so long as the RM-AF125 bloke is / was happy with the bike / deal, I guess it's all good.

As to all of this about kits etc. Maybe, but it doesn't seem to be a viable thing.

But, plenty have said how the latest RMZ250(?) has a high 'Y', almost as if it were made for a 2t exhaust, and, it looks like it has a fairly full / forward lower cradle - that I think would be needed to fit the (existing) RM250 engine in.

So, I think it's entirely logical to think it might be a way to make for production of 125 / 250 2ts, using the basic frame (and damned near every other part) of the RMZ.

It's not particularly hard for an average, mechanically minded bloke / blokette to do an AF, so at the production level it's almost nothing for a manufacturer to make the ancillaries, such as the airboot, exhaust, radiator inlets / outlets and engine mounts to make a frame take a few different engines. Most, have done so, for decades now. Hell, the manufacturer could easily, and not cost prohibitively, make cases (and a head with mount to suit) especially if the dies / tooling etc for existing cases of the old RMs are past their use by date.

And, then again, far, far cheaper than new cases, a set of different engine cradle rails is childs play to have sitting in the frame making facilities, to slot into the frame 'Y', and swingarm mount plates, if it were needed. to accommodate a (existing) 250 2t engine.

And, the dynamics / kinematics of a 250 f engine, a 250 2t and a 125 2t are far from being huge, for those that go on about a 250f frame being unsuitable for use for a 125 or 250 2t. If it were a real issue, does anyone think a CR500 / KX500 engine (or the new BRC500 kits) being put in a 250f (which is what the vast amount of AFs are based on, given the amount of twats that blow up 250f engines) or 2t chassis, or a KTM steel chassis would be any good? Some, are very good indeed - though some, are disasters.........

I think the last Japanese 125 to win the EMX125 series was an RM125. Though, it had a pretty 'special' engine (at least it's internals) bolted into the chassis by the then Sylvain Geboers MXGP team.

Any new 2ts are a good thing - hell, tiny, Tiny companies such as Beta and Sherco have developed and made for sale completely new 2t engine bikes in the last few years, and are selling the hell out of them. Just as other bigger companies that have been doing, profiting from Japans almost complete cessation of 2t production. Though, I'm not holding my breathe on Suzuki doing 'new' 2ts. I hope my pessimism is entirely misplaced, and they Do bring out some 2 Strokes. The more, the merrier!

sandtrack315 wrote:

As a fan of riding 250Fs and 125s, I think it would be cool to basically have two bikes but only need one chassis. This only...

As a fan of riding 250Fs and 125s, I think it would be cool to basically have two bikes but only need one chassis. This only doesn’t make sense if you don’t like riding a 250F.

mxjon454 wrote:

Still looks bad ass IMO. I’d buy this pipe over their normal looking ones any day.

CivBars wrote:

Heck yeah! Raw Faux Cone should be an option for FMF and Pro Circuit too

motokiwi wrote:

Faux cone pipes are so shit. They are the spoke wraps of pipes