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StarWest was closed more due to dust than noise, although 4 strokes made it worse.
I love loud shit....but 4 strokes are just annoying.
For example Harleys are more annoying than an even louder crotch rocket.
Nobody bitches about a supercari, but open exhaust on a 3 cylinder junker is annoying.
I hate laws, but I'm glad California passed that loud vehicle law. It's already noticeably less dipshits with POS cars and open exhausts.
If the best racing right now but it’s like watching
Big rc cars!!! I’m a racing addict but can’t get into formula e at all!!
Opinions? Heaven forbid, the people who buy and ride motorcycles have an opinion of what they want to buy and ride.
Now if you just take the blinders off for a moment you'll realize not everyone hates the idea of an e-bike. Some of us just don't want to see them end up being THE recognized bike for MX and SX. Some of us actually like mechanical things, living, breathing mechanical things that have a soul of their own. The sights, the sounds, the smell...it all adds up to a raceday experience that won't be replaced by the whirring of e-bikes. Call me the codgity old man if you want, but I may actually even get a little satisfaction and enjoyment from the frustration of keeping an old vintage bike race ready.
Anyone who watched the Red Bull straight rhythm with the 2 strokes and then the run with the Altas would have to be smoking that nasty ass skunk weed that all the cool kids stink up their cars with these days to think that the two even compare.
E-bikes seem pretty cool. If they're not already, they will eventually be faster than current gas burning options (this coming from a die-hard 2-stroke guy). If someone wants to buy one, more power to them. Options are nice.
People on here always talk about E-bikes "saving the sport". I guess I would ask, what is "the sport"? E-bikes may help the normal individual be able to buy and ride a dirt bike as it pleases some of the anti-noise and anti-carbon emissions people. It may even allow a track to reopen if it was closed specifically due to noise (that being said, Steel City closed due to sediment run-off EPA issues which no bike short of a hover-bike could address). So, if "the sport" is buying and riding dirt bikes, E-bikes are probably good.
If "the sport" is professional level, televised motocross and supercross, E-bikes will kill the sport. Imagine you're at A1, January 2023, and you have all 22 bikes lined up waiting for the gate to drop...and it's silent. The only noise you'll hear is the chain slap and brake squeal once they're going. And if you're watching in-person, there won't be any smell either. You've just removed 2 senses from the viewing experience and that's not good for business. Watch the end of Daytona, or any race, and you see Forkner and Tomac reving their bikes for the crowd after the win...that's gone too. This is bigger than dirt bikes. All forms of professional, televised motorsports could die if electric takes over. Ever been to an NHRA race? Replace top fuel or funny car with electric motors and see how long that lasts.
In summary, E-bikes seem pretty sweet and may help the ability of normal people to ride or race dirt bikes locally. If they are forced into top level racing by altering rules, or if the manufactures ultimately only produce e-bikes, we won't have an NBCSN broadcast to complain about weekly.
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Otherwise it's a childs powerwheel toy and l'm not interested.
Personally l don't understand the boners all you ebike guys get over these things at all.
I love 2 stroke dirt bikes.
I love 4 stroke dirt bikes.
Heck I just love dirt bikes.
The more options the better, and these E bikes really could open up some doors that have been historically closed due to noise complaint issues, and potentially more.
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About 15 to 20 years you will see some e bikes into the outdoor motorcross series and supercross.
In football you hear the grunts and groans. You hear the football being kicked. You hear adibles before the snap. It is far from silent and sound is a big part of the atmosphere.
In baseball there is the sound of the ball hitting the catchers mitt. There's the sound of the ball coming of the bat. You can tell the difference between base hit and home runs just by the sound of the ball coming off the bat. There's banter between the players. There's lot's of sound it's just not the constant drone of engines.
You guys can make all the arguments you want but the absolute lack of audible sensory immersion will definitely impact the sport negatively. Do people go to rock concerts to barely be able to hear the music or do they blast that shit at deafening levels? Huh, wonder why? Maybe struggling to hear isn't as fun as having your hair blown back.
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I dont need noise, riding dirt bikes is fun 2 stroke, 4 stroke, no stroke, same goes for noise i dont need noise to have fun on a bike. As a matter of fact, thats the last thing that will deter my from riding or not, but the first thing neighbors complain about.
E-bikes are the only thing that can save the sport in the long term. Like a dude posted earlier in this thread, the are no tracks open in Belgium (one of the biggest MX countries in the world). E-bikes can change that and keep more tracks open in the rest of the world.
Do i like the sound of 2-strokes and 4-strokes? Of course. Do i like the mechanical part of the combustion engines? Of course. Am i willing to give that up if it means i can continue riding and racing with my friends every week in the future? Yes, absolutely.
As for the question what "the sport" is that someone posted earlier. Public riding tracks and bikes at the dealers is the sport. Without that there is no such thing as pro racing.
When four strokes began to come into play, lots of 2-stroke pipe manufacturers and engine mod guys began to freak out. Many of them went under because their bread and butter went away. Pro Circuit hired guys away from TRD and spent lots of hours with one of the chief engineers at Toyota (or one of their race teams - sorry, I don't remember exactly,) and got down to business. The result? It's not hard to see that Mitch's entire business has grown since 2004 because of thumpers. Why? Because he embraced the change and made it work. He got a head start on the rest of the industry and solidified Pro Circuit's place in the hierarchy. I fully expect the same thing to happen if/when the electric bike takes off. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitch is already taking electrical engineering classes at Cal Poly.
What can be made better on an e-bike? In short, efficiency. Reducing the amount of wasted energy given off as heat would certainly help. Use of better conductors. Electric gizmos to change the power delivery or meter out the power in different ways. Heck, there's a guy in San Diego who rewires stators to produce more wattage for headlights; why couldn't you do that for an electric motor?
Let's also not forget that Pro Circuit does suspension and offers hard parts as well. PC won't go out of business because they lose the 4-stroke pipe business.
1. Im already saving my $$$ for one
2. More places to ride, because face it, unless you have people actively trying to watch the hills for somebody on a e-bike or emtb.. you will be able to slip in and out so damn quick because you cant be tracked... For instance if i had a e bike with the rain we've had here in so cal, some days would be absolutely no dust/no sound... Meaning someone has to actively track my trail or be looking for me.... (Thats a huge advantage for the sport in general and kids who want to moto afterschool) i.e.= growth of local riders
3. Maybe more local tracks barring liability lawsuits
4. Industry will adapt and overcome, especially with speed controls, suspension Industry will be ok, so will the bling people and brakes.
5. It is entirely not going to be cost effective at first. No way no how.
6. Generally people who are older than 45 really start to hate change especially when it comes to their hobby. The come out the woodworks on social media, for electric vehicles, politics and now the e-moto lol
For all the rest of us idiots, the consumers, let the market decide. KTM has so many options right now it is fantastic! Buy 1, buy 2, or even one of every kind if you can!
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