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psg119 3/8/2019 9:57am
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Wells423 wrote:
Hard to believe they are paying Hill that.
Moto man wrote:
I’m telling you what it is. Not asking you to believe the number .
web mx wrote:
How would you even know his salary ? just because you saw uptite's post
Because motoman knows EVERYTHING. Just ask him, he'll tell ya.
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MotoMan12345 wrote:
It’s all the Kmart trail machine lover boys that bash and bash Suzuki’s. But hey they’re also riding a 9k+ bike complaining about there air forks...
It’s all the Kmart trail machine lover boys that bash and bash Suzuki’s. But hey they’re also riding a 9k+ bike complaining about there air forks while doing 3 lap Motos Laughing
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Derp. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/08/330466/s1200_FFC1C244_E3F0_48E8_88D5_7F3E54300421.jpg[/img]
Derp.


mattyhamz2 wrote:
MSRP yes. People are not paying that. My area they are advertised at $6599 for 2019s.
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker and you're at about $7224. My bet is that no dealer will sell one in CA out the door for that dollar amount.
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Derp. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/08/330466/s1200_FFC1C244_E3F0_48E8_88D5_7F3E54300421.jpg[/img]
Derp.


mattyhamz2 wrote:
MSRP yes. People are not paying that. My area they are advertised at $6599 for 2019s.
Falcon wrote:
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker...
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker and you're at about $7224. My bet is that no dealer will sell one in CA out the door for that dollar amount.
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they hit showroom floors. You can't do that with a KTM.
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Chad Has always had an interest in car racing and i definitely expect that we will hear that is something he is giving a try after his Moto career is over , so the JGR seems like a great fit for him in that way

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mattyhamz2 wrote:
MSRP yes. People are not paying that. My area they are advertised at $6599 for 2019s.
Falcon wrote:
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker...
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker and you're at about $7224. My bet is that no dealer will sell one in CA out the door for that dollar amount.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they...
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they hit showroom floors. You can't do that with a KTM.
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my 2013 250sx the price difference on a new yz all around So Cal I got was within 200 bucks. When I got my 2017 250sx I got it for msrp OTD.
I love my KTMs but I really want a new rmz250 just because everyone hates on it. It would be fun to ride a bike that everyone views as a POS Tongue
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mattyhamz2 3/8/2019 10:39am
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Falcon wrote:
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker...
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker and you're at about $7224. My bet is that no dealer will sell one in CA out the door for that dollar amount.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they...
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they hit showroom floors. You can't do that with a KTM.
seth505 wrote:
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my...
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my 2013 250sx the price difference on a new yz all around So Cal I got was within 200 bucks. When I got my 2017 250sx I got it for msrp OTD.
I love my KTMs but I really want a new rmz250 just because everyone hates on it. It would be fun to ride a bike that everyone views as a POS Tongue
It's nice riding something not everyone likes and most shit on. There aren't many other zukes out at the track so you kinda stand out a bit. If you go fast on them people seem to notice it more.
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Tarz483 wrote:
Chad Has always had an interest in car racing and i definitely expect that we will hear that is something he is giving a try after...
Chad Has always had an interest in car racing and i definitely expect that we will hear that is something he is giving a try after his Moto career is over , so the JGR seems like a great fit for him in that way
yeah but i doubt he will find the funds. car racing like keeping a fire going with dollar bills only.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they...
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they hit showroom floors. You can't do that with a KTM.
seth505 wrote:
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my...
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my 2013 250sx the price difference on a new yz all around So Cal I got was within 200 bucks. When I got my 2017 250sx I got it for msrp OTD.
I love my KTMs but I really want a new rmz250 just because everyone hates on it. It would be fun to ride a bike that everyone views as a POS Tongue
mattyhamz2 wrote:
It's nice riding something not everyone likes and most shit on. There aren't many other zukes out at the track so you kinda stand out a...
It's nice riding something not everyone likes and most shit on. There aren't many other zukes out at the track so you kinda stand out a bit. If you go fast on them people seem to notice it more.
Exactly, sort of like when you show up with a 125. People are like "aw cool, you still have one of those? Cute!" hahaha
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Tarz483 wrote:
Chad Has always had an interest in car racing and i definitely expect that we will hear that is something he is giving a try after...
Chad Has always had an interest in car racing and i definitely expect that we will hear that is something he is giving a try after his Moto career is over , so the JGR seems like a great fit for him in that way
Francis377 wrote:
yeah but i doubt he will find the funds. car racing like keeping a fire going with dollar bills only.
If anyone could find a way, i think Reedy could!
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In car racing popularity and marketing is way more important than results. See dale jr.Whistling Whistling
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BigDaddyG 3/8/2019 11:48am
3/8/2019 11:48am
Everyone has to remember that Hill has had a few large get offs on race day practice. Even Reed says that Hill is 2-3 seconds a lap faster than himself and Weston when practicing. Hill will get it better as long as he can heal and not get hurt again.
Hill does have a bit of Hepler syndrome and seems to always be injured.....he's making a shit ton of money to be putting in these results so hopefully he can turn the season around and keep his ride next year.
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Not too long ago I used to buy oddball Euro bikes just to be different, maybe I will buy a Suzuki for 2020 to be that guy. I don't buy bikes for the possible resale value either as I always seem to buy high and sell low.
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DrinkMoreWater 3/8/2019 12:13pm
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JGR has never really had the riders and seem to think money and tech will solve their issues, I watched their small team video a few years back they had all this cute technology which is nice but it does seem to over complicate things and the enviorment.
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/8/2019 12:26pm
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rp031x wrote:
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that...
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that? They look terrible this year. Reed even said in an interview that they are 15 pounds heavier than the KTM/Huskys. I'm sorry but that is just sad at this level. They need to figure their bikes out first so they can actually attract new talent. As it stands, no top pro is going to want to ride that yellow pig.
Except for Kenny, cos he won his one & only National championship on one (The OLD model, at that!) and thats more than he's ever done on his 'cutting edge' Honda.

Some of you are proper dicks!
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stillwelding wrote:
Ditto. Wanna have fun. Fund your own team like Team22 did. Ask Chad how much fun that 5 to 10 million was for 5 years of...
Ditto. Wanna have fun. Fund your own team like Team22 did. Ask Chad how much fun that 5 to 10 million was for 5 years of fun.
davistld01 wrote:
Yeah, he’s STILL talking about all the fun he DIDN’T have paying his own way on that level...and throwing away all that cheese.
In another thread he is apparently back in Aus and possibly riding a Yamaha. So maybe Dean is looking solid for the outdoor ride. Not quoting as fact. Arg fuck wrong one I quoted. Was replying to query on Dean Ferris.
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rp031x wrote:
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that...
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that? They look terrible this year. Reed even said in an interview that they are 15 pounds heavier than the KTM/Huskys. I'm sorry but that is just sad at this level. They need to figure their bikes out first so they can actually attract new talent. As it stands, no top pro is going to want to ride that yellow pig.
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Except for Kenny, cos he won his one & only National championship on one (The OLD model, at that!) and thats more than he's ever done...
Except for Kenny, cos he won his one & only National championship on one (The OLD model, at that!) and thats more than he's ever done on his 'cutting edge' Honda.

Some of you are proper dicks!
Eh, you forgot Kenny won a 450 national championship on KTM in 14’ when he went head to head with Dungey down to the last round.

Riders of his caliber can get the bikes to do almost anything they want. Bogel and Stew both won outdoor motos on the Suzuki as well. So yeah I don’t get all the hate that Suzuki gets either.

Hard to compare the big 4 against the Austrians. Especially in the weight department. They all have their pluses and minuses. Take what those top riders say with a grain of salt when it comes to their bikes. How many of you actually think what they say about their choice of bike really matters? What they ride and what’s for sale at your local dealer is day and night in comparison.

Don’t bash a brand just because said rider bashes it as well without having ridden one yourself is my take on it. Sure Suzuki is probably lacking convenience features that other manufactures offer. But does that really make it a worse option compared to the others? Everybody has their own personal preferences.
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Squirrelings wrote:
There is so much assumption and ignorance in this thread that it's comical. People sure don't like Suzuki for some reason.
rp031x wrote:
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that...
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that? They look terrible this year. Reed even said in an interview that they are 15 pounds heavier than the KTM/Huskys. I'm sorry but that is just sad at this level. They need to figure their bikes out first so they can actually attract new talent. As it stands, no top pro is going to want to ride that yellow pig.
Hate to bash dumbasses, but you can just look at people and tell they didn't spend enough time in school... Anyone else notice that?
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Black Diesel Bomber 3/8/2019 1:50pm
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Falcon wrote:
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker...
Go try to buy one for that. $6599 plus tax should be $7126.92. Add the $45 or so for DOC and $52 for the green sticker and you're at about $7224. My bet is that no dealer will sell one in CA out the door for that dollar amount.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they...
I know there are fees on top of that. My dad hasn't paid over $7600 for any of his 3 brand new RMZ's right after they hit showroom floors. You can't do that with a KTM.
seth505 wrote:
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my...
Overall, the KTM bikes aren't on clearance since they sell well but they aren't thousands more in all cases like people assume. When I got my 2013 250sx the price difference on a new yz all around So Cal I got was within 200 bucks. When I got my 2017 250sx I got it for msrp OTD.
I love my KTMs but I really want a new rmz250 just because everyone hates on it. It would be fun to ride a bike that everyone views as a POS Tongue
You can imagine what it's like to be still riding my old 2006 RMZ450...it's one of the oldest, heaviest, slowest, most obsolete 4-speed pig out there right?

Well, you could make that argument, but it doesn't slow me down when riding in large packs of brand new hopped up bikes from all brands. It's amazing how many guys on new bikes tell me, "dude, your bike barks hard".....the thing is a fire breather thanks to some carb work, still runs really strong. It doesn't slow me down in any way other than top speed through the desert where 4th is very limiting but I don't do that type of riding. I have no problem kick starting the bike while everyone else pushes their buttons.

Yes, it's fun to ride an old pig that everyone frowns upon, especially when you pass them and they can't keep up. I guess i could be considered vintage on my last ride with Alias gear, Tech 8's, and a Bell Moto 9, lol.

I just might get a big blue pig for my next bike, but I really love the Suzukis.


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Moto man wrote:
JGR salary $550,000
Wells423 wrote:
Hard to believe they are paying Hill that.
Moto man wrote:
I’m telling you what it is. Not asking you to believe the number .
We all believe it,

if that figure includes his $450k bonus for winning the 450 sx title
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juniorlarsen245 9/10/2019 9:31am
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MOTO732 wrote:
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and...
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and then fkng JGR Suzuki. I mean Suzuki is a great bike, but in the pro ranks, it is a few notches down for damn sure. It's where pro's go when their careers are basically dead, dying or they have no other choice. Nobody aspires to be on that team. I see them as a satellite team tbh. Nobody really wants to ride that bike if they have any other options. JGR put in a decent effort, but if they are around in 2020 I'd be stunned.
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great bike and most folks do buy them based on the fact they handle so well. Do a few mods and an rmz450/250 is very competitive and at a fraction of the cost. JGR has a bad managerial team. They do not keep the good riders they had. Bogle should have been kept, but they keep people like Peick, no offense to Peick but he’s not going to give them what they need. Keep Reed, he’s good for sales and support and he can still win. I think JS will be there and show us all what Suzuki can do.
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kiwifan 9/10/2019 12:45pm
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MOTO732 wrote:
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and...
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and then fkng JGR Suzuki. I mean Suzuki is a great bike, but in the pro ranks, it is a few notches down for damn sure. It's where pro's go when their careers are basically dead, dying or they have no other choice. Nobody aspires to be on that team. I see them as a satellite team tbh. Nobody really wants to ride that bike if they have any other options. JGR put in a decent effort, but if they are around in 2020 I'd be stunned.
juniorlarsen245 wrote:
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great...
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great bike and most folks do buy them based on the fact they handle so well. Do a few mods and an rmz450/250 is very competitive and at a fraction of the cost. JGR has a bad managerial team. They do not keep the good riders they had. Bogle should have been kept, but they keep people like Peick, no offense to Peick but he’s not going to give them what they need. Keep Reed, he’s good for sales and support and he can still win. I think JS will be there and show us all what Suzuki can do.
I agree a few mods and they are as competitive as the other bikes, which by the way, are already competitive with no money spent on them.
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Kevin852 9/10/2019 1:39pm
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MOTO732 wrote:
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and...
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and then fkng JGR Suzuki. I mean Suzuki is a great bike, but in the pro ranks, it is a few notches down for damn sure. It's where pro's go when their careers are basically dead, dying or they have no other choice. Nobody aspires to be on that team. I see them as a satellite team tbh. Nobody really wants to ride that bike if they have any other options. JGR put in a decent effort, but if they are around in 2020 I'd be stunned.
juniorlarsen245 wrote:
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great...
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great bike and most folks do buy them based on the fact they handle so well. Do a few mods and an rmz450/250 is very competitive and at a fraction of the cost. JGR has a bad managerial team. They do not keep the good riders they had. Bogle should have been kept, but they keep people like Peick, no offense to Peick but he’s not going to give them what they need. Keep Reed, he’s good for sales and support and he can still win. I think JS will be there and show us all what Suzuki can do.
kiwifan wrote:
I agree a few mods and they are as competitive as the other bikes, which by the way, are already competitive with no money spent on...
I agree a few mods and they are as competitive as the other bikes, which by the way, are already competitive with no money spent on them.
I disagree. For about 97% of the people that race the bike is more than good enough. I was rding a 2015 RMZ450 in Mammoth 2017 in the 40A and 50 A classes. I scored an overall top 5 in both classes and even got a holeshot in one moto. And the bike was stock and had the crappy airforks.

Point being is all the bikes are good and really just pick the one you like the look of or color of. Hell, not like any of us are getting offers for free bikes and a contract haha


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juniorlarsen245 wrote:
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great...
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great bike and most folks do buy them based on the fact they handle so well. Do a few mods and an rmz450/250 is very competitive and at a fraction of the cost. JGR has a bad managerial team. They do not keep the good riders they had. Bogle should have been kept, but they keep people like Peick, no offense to Peick but he’s not going to give them what they need. Keep Reed, he’s good for sales and support and he can still win. I think JS will be there and show us all what Suzuki can do.
They kept people like Peick? He was the top finishing rider for a while at JGR.... And Reed can still win? I’m a reed fan but let’s get realistic, there’s no way reed pulls off a win anymore
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MOTO732 wrote:
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and...
JGR Suzuki is barely a factory effort in most people's eye. You have Factory Honda, ME Factory Kawasaki, Red Bull Factory KTM/RS HUSKY, ME Factory Yamaha...and then fkng JGR Suzuki. I mean Suzuki is a great bike, but in the pro ranks, it is a few notches down for damn sure. It's where pro's go when their careers are basically dead, dying or they have no other choice. Nobody aspires to be on that team. I see them as a satellite team tbh. Nobody really wants to ride that bike if they have any other options. JGR put in a decent effort, but if they are around in 2020 I'd be stunned.
juniorlarsen245 wrote:
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great...
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great bike and most folks do buy them based on the fact they handle so well. Do a few mods and an rmz450/250 is very competitive and at a fraction of the cost. JGR has a bad managerial team. They do not keep the good riders they had. Bogle should have been kept, but they keep people like Peick, no offense to Peick but he’s not going to give them what they need. Keep Reed, he’s good for sales and support and he can still win. I think JS will be there and show us all what Suzuki can do.
And they have barely moved forward since their last championship in 2016.

I would love to see a bike test between a 2008 crf450 and a 2020 rmz450. I imagine they are quite similar, they look quite similar
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Spat24 9/11/2019 6:56am
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Has JGR signed a title sponsor for next year yet. Keep hearing they are close with Cherokee but have not seen any updates.
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And they have barely moved forward since their last championship in 2016. I would love to see a bike test between a 2008 crf450 and a...
And they have barely moved forward since their last championship in 2016.

I would love to see a bike test between a 2008 crf450 and a 2020 rmz450. I imagine they are quite similar, they look quite similar
And truth be told, 95% of the regular people (not pros) would be just fine buying a brand new 2008 CFR450. Hell, that's probably more bike than needed if we are being honest.

If Suzuki stays the course, they could make a killing by lowering their price and offering a much more affordable option to the masses. Would you buy a Zook for $5000?
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Spat24 wrote:
Has JGR signed a title sponsor for next year yet. Keep hearing they are close with Cherokee but have not seen any updates.
Curious about this as well.

It does not seem promising to hear "we're close to signing a title" for months and months with nothing seeming to happen.
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ga_pike wrote:
And truth be told, 95% of the regular people (not pros) would be just fine buying a brand new 2008 CFR450. Hell, that's probably more bike...
And truth be told, 95% of the regular people (not pros) would be just fine buying a brand new 2008 CFR450. Hell, that's probably more bike than needed if we are being honest.

If Suzuki stays the course, they could make a killing by lowering their price and offering a much more affordable option to the masses. Would you buy a Zook for $5000?
thats what they are around me leftover, maybe a couple bucks more at certain places, and they still cant sell them. If it was 4 grand I would ride it no matter what. Instead I bought the 19 kx250 for 5200 (same price basically)
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hamncheeze 9/11/2019 9:22am
9/11/2019 9:22am
Casting wrote:
Curious about this as well. It does not seem promising to hear "we're close to signing a title" for months and months with nothing seeming to...
Curious about this as well.

It does not seem promising to hear "we're close to signing a title" for months and months with nothing seeming to happen.
This is kind of the story of JGR for the past few years. Not sure exactly why these deals fall through, and maybe it's not different than other teams, the only thing is J-bone tends to be very public with information so we hear of this stuff more.
Maverick313 9/11/2019 9:43am
9/11/2019 9:43am
juniorlarsen245 wrote:
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great...
The funny thing is is that Suzuki holds far more titles than Yamaha and more than Honda in the last few decades. Suzuki is a great bike and most folks do buy them based on the fact they handle so well. Do a few mods and an rmz450/250 is very competitive and at a fraction of the cost. JGR has a bad managerial team. They do not keep the good riders they had. Bogle should have been kept, but they keep people like Peick, no offense to Peick but he’s not going to give them what they need. Keep Reed, he’s good for sales and support and he can still win. I think JS will be there and show us all what Suzuki can do.
Quick check of the facts if you're going to state "in the last few decades". Here are the win percents for all brands, for all available SX and MX titles.

Kawasaki----34.62%
Honda---------26.28%
Yamaha------16.03%
Suzuki--------13.46%
KTM------------7.05%
Husqvarna----2.56%
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