Missing history of a long lost National.

Law 131
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12/27/2012 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2012 4:53pm
I raced the support class in 1977 at Keithsburg and Midland. My recollection is that both tracks were wooded and
deep sand.

Magoo was the most impressive rider in that deep sand but either broke or crashed at both races.

Chuck Sun pitted next to us and his mechanic was Eric Crippa. I was
really impressed with Crippa's attention to detail and organization.

Diamondback in Cocoa Beach remains at the top of my all time roughest.

Edit:

Here's an entry list from Midland --

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12/27/2012 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2012 6:00pm
Law, that is really cool, there are some very familiar names on there, and not just the very top-numbered guys....

- Eddie Cole went on to run Answer Products and later 661
- the Wanket brother were always in MXA
- Larry Witmer is the longtime announcer at RedBud and just an all-time fast guy
- Fred Vertucci went on to build engines with Boyesen and then his own shop
- Al Pizzano has long worked in the industry
- that #322 kid named Mark Barnett, and his fellow former '76 amateur national champ Kenny Adams
- Tennessee minicycle legend Gene McKay (he used to race a Noguchi Yamaha against Jeff Ward and Brian Myerscough)
- District 5 guys Mark Garrison, Gary Pustelak, Paul Mihalik and Gaylord Plants
- future national winner Denny Swartz
- future Grand Prix winner Mike Guerra
- the late Phil Alderton, Honda of Troy founder, and the late Calvin Kalicki
- and Raymond Ritchie from Buchanan, MI has to have something to do with the RedBud family!
- I wonder if that Mark Johnson went on to run Team Green and then went into auto racing?

I was a little kid back then and pretty much all of those guys were heroes in one way or another to me.

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12/27/2012 11:06pm
Law 131 wrote:
I raced the support class in 1977 at Keithsburg and Midland. My recollection is that both tracks were wooded and deep sand. Magoo was the most...
I raced the support class in 1977 at Keithsburg and Midland. My recollection is that both tracks were wooded and
deep sand.

Magoo was the most impressive rider in that deep sand but either broke or crashed at both races.

Chuck Sun pitted next to us and his mechanic was Eric Crippa. I was
really impressed with Crippa's attention to detail and organization.

Diamondback in Cocoa Beach remains at the top of my all time roughest.

Edit:

Here's an entry list from Midland --

Yeah it is very wooded abd deep deep sand like you said. The sheet is cool! Thanks!
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12/27/2012 11:09pm
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Law, that is really cool, there are some very familiar names on there, and not just the very top-numbered guys.... - Eddie Cole went on to...
Law, that is really cool, there are some very familiar names on there, and not just the very top-numbered guys....

- Eddie Cole went on to run Answer Products and later 661
- the Wanket brother were always in MXA
- Larry Witmer is the longtime announcer at RedBud and just an all-time fast guy
- Fred Vertucci went on to build engines with Boyesen and then his own shop
- Al Pizzano has long worked in the industry
- that #322 kid named Mark Barnett, and his fellow former '76 amateur national champ Kenny Adams
- Tennessee minicycle legend Gene McKay (he used to race a Noguchi Yamaha against Jeff Ward and Brian Myerscough)
- District 5 guys Mark Garrison, Gary Pustelak, Paul Mihalik and Gaylord Plants
- future national winner Denny Swartz
- future Grand Prix winner Mike Guerra
- the late Phil Alderton, Honda of Troy founder, and the late Calvin Kalicki
- and Raymond Ritchie from Buchanan, MI has to have something to do with the RedBud family!
- I wonder if that Mark Johnson went on to run Team Green and then went into auto racing?

I was a little kid back then and pretty much all of those guys were heroes in one way or another to me.

DC
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Man, thats so much knowledge about all those people. Thats so neat I think how the last place my buddies and I pick to ride used to be well known to so many important people in the moto industry. I would LOVE to see them widen the track out and make a nice loop and have an anual motocross race there. The HS races I do there are rough but I think an all out moto would be wild!

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12/27/2012 11:15pm
wardy wrote:
I tell ya what there are hundreds of midwest riders who read this stuff. `Keithsburg HS is slated for 3-10-2013 put on by Ron WHipple and...
I tell ya what there are hundreds of midwest riders who read this stuff. `Keithsburg HS is slated for 3-10-2013 put on by Ron WHipple and Stan Reddell, WFO Promotions. they get a great turn out and race this race no matter what. couple years ago 26 and flurrys. last year 65 and sunny. rain shine, it doesn't matter. They race it.

YOu will see some of the same fences and tires on those posts you see in that story. Heck now that i see that story i see some of the track we use today.

it's an open riding park. costs 5.00 or 10.00 a day. pretty laid back.


could one imagine an nationa there again? LOL teasing hell the road is pea gravel wouldn't hold up, but it sure brings back memories.
Yeah I will make myself do it again. Haha. I have done the races there the last 3 years. Once in the snow, that was awful!

I know Ron on a personal level and I texted him about what goes into putting a race together and he told me to call him (which I still need to do, DAMN) and bring up the idea of having another motocross style race out there. Hopefully he would think that would be cool and help do something with it.

The owner just cares about horses and money anymore so aslong as he benefits, I dont see why he wouldnt go along with the idea.

That road back there would be something to see semis come down. I can only imagine what a national would be like!
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Hey been looking at all the posts about Sandy Oak
I ran the place and wanted to dispel some of what I read. The track was all wooded
We went in with chainsaws and a,old cable dozer and laid out the track. Bernie Slack and Dale Gallamore both operators helped us. Our drop gate was the first in district 17 while others were using tournequet bungees. On important race days we had a local farmer drag the track smooth with a huge Steiger tractor. I remember hearing comments about how fast the course would be while walking the track the day before a,race. I always LAUGHED to myself as that thought was dispelled after practice made the whoops magically appear. I raced in Florida and what Sandy Oaks had that they didn't was clay underneath that made the whoops worse. I AM six feet and in the bottom of a lot of the whoops I couldn't see the next one.
At the national factory Kawasaki rider Weinert couldn't master the downhill off camber right. Hannah breezed through it. Weinert ran out of gas there in the second moto..Yamaha leased the track to do suspension testing several times due to its roughness. At 1 of the national hare scrambles we had Jeff Smith from the UK world champion motocrosser comment on the tracks roughness. He said there was a track in Sweden that was compareable. I AM doing this from my phone so more when I get home on my laptop. Roger

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125 wrote:
Florida owns Motocross. CA just thinks it does.
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I just remember the whoops.

whoop, whoop whoop, turn, whoop whoop whoop turn. never sat down ever.

crazy tough tracks.

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125 wrote:
Florida owns Motocross. CA just thinks it does.
ctbale wrote:
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I...
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I just remember the whoops.

whoop, whoop whoop, turn, whoop whoop whoop turn. never sat down ever.

crazy tough tracks.

Average entries on Saturdays were 150-160 125 class riders, 130-140 250's when I rode my first WinterAm in 79. Practice, qualifiers, consi's, main motos. With the turnout they had, I remember Orlando being pretty rough by days end.

Cocoa was the worst. Sometimes it would go a few race events between grooming.
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18 Peter Wanket Encinitas, CA Yamaha One of these years, I will mature to a point this is no longer funny . . .
18 Peter Wanket Encinitas, CA Yamaha


One of these years, I will mature to a point this is no longer funny . . .
I hope you still find this funny Tongue
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ctbale wrote:
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I...
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I just remember the whoops.

whoop, whoop whoop, turn, whoop whoop whoop turn. never sat down ever.

crazy tough tracks.

Raced district 23 also around the same time. A group of us from Duluth went to Florida and stayed all winter. Raced the 80/81 Winter Series.
Cocoa was so gnarly! Good times. Those were the days!
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ctbale wrote:
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I...
I raced district 23 in Mn back in the day and in the late 70s went to Florida and raced the Winter Seires down there. I just remember the whoops.

whoop, whoop whoop, turn, whoop whoop whoop turn. never sat down ever.

crazy tough tracks.

Raced district 23 also around the same time. A group of us from Duluth went to Florida and stayed all winter. Raced the 80/81 Winter Series.
Cocoa was so gnarly! Good times. Those were the days!
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If Hearlings was there he would have lapped Hannah....now that we have that out of the way..carry on...
Just another sad example of what drugs can do to ones brain.
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Glad someone dug this GEM up! is this area still available for a National track? need a good rough sand track to get the shit kicked into our representation to the MXoN.

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3/1/2019 6:42pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2019 6:50pm
Law 131 wrote:
I raced the support class in 1977 at Keithsburg and Midland. My recollection is that both tracks were wooded and deep sand. Magoo was the most...
I raced the support class in 1977 at Keithsburg and Midland. My recollection is that both tracks were wooded and
deep sand.

Magoo was the most impressive rider in that deep sand but either broke or crashed at both races.

Chuck Sun pitted next to us and his mechanic was Eric Crippa. I was
really impressed with Crippa's attention to detail and organization.

Diamondback in Cocoa Beach remains at the top of my all time roughest.

Edit:

Here's an entry list from Midland --

Check out all the "Self" sponsorship out on this National MX event. Never see this again. Props to Jeff Piasaki and his Dad of Piasecki cycle sales, ISDE winner, Raymond Ritchie RedBud
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3 friends & I went to Kiethsburg for this race, the track was spectacular.
It's true that it was graded flat like an asphalt road before practice, by the 2nd motos there were 4' deep whoops in places one would have thought impossible.
Some of the corners had so much sand blown to the outsides that it reached the top of the snow fencing.

Living in the midwest at the time, you could easily drive to several nationals, at least 2 Trans-AMA's & the Valvoline 125 USGP @ mid-Ohio. Far & away the greatest era for moto.
I'll never forget seeing those Russians show up for the GP on 125 CZ's & going out of their minds, running off track & dragging banners around while pinned. Win or march off to the Gulag I suppose ...
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animal1954 wrote:
Hey been looking at all the posts about Sandy Oak I ran the place and wanted to dispel some of what I read. The track was...
Hey been looking at all the posts about Sandy Oak
I ran the place and wanted to dispel some of what I read. The track was all wooded
We went in with chainsaws and a,old cable dozer and laid out the track. Bernie Slack and Dale Gallamore both operators helped us. Our drop gate was the first in district 17 while others were using tournequet bungees. On important race days we had a local farmer drag the track smooth with a huge Steiger tractor. I remember hearing comments about how fast the course would be while walking the track the day before a,race. I always LAUGHED to myself as that thought was dispelled after practice made the whoops magically appear. I raced in Florida and what Sandy Oaks had that they didn't was clay underneath that made the whoops worse. I AM six feet and in the bottom of a lot of the whoops I couldn't see the next one.
At the national factory Kawasaki rider Weinert couldn't master the downhill off camber right. Hannah breezed through it. Weinert ran out of gas there in the second moto..Yamaha leased the track to do suspension testing several times due to its roughness. At 1 of the national hare scrambles we had Jeff Smith from the UK world champion motocrosser comment on the tracks roughness. He said there was a track in Sweden that was compareable. I AM doing this from my phone so more when I get home on my laptop. Roger

Would love to hear more from you about Sandy Oaks. I raced MX there in like 1981 to 1984. Always brutal but awesome at the same time. Was there last year about this time of year with my son for some riding.
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Old but awesome thread.. keep it coming
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I was in St Petersburgh FL last week and was remembering the AMA Winter Series round that was held there in the winter of 77-78. Anyone know what happened to that track? Didn't drive to the site because I don't remember where is was.
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3/3/2019 5:29am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2019 5:34am
Law 131 wrote:
I was in St Petersburgh FL last week and was remembering the AMA Winter Series round that was held there in the winter of 77-78. Anyone...
I was in St Petersburgh FL last week and was remembering the AMA Winter Series round that was held there in the winter of 77-78. Anyone know what happened to that track? Didn't drive to the site because I don't remember where is was.
The new Sunshine MX was located pretty much on the old track property. It shut down a couple of years ago. New road from 688 down to 118th goes through there now. Development fast encroaching.


http://www.prosportsusa.com/images/SunshineMotocross2483-2-09_001.JPG
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I raced at Keithsburg in 1990 or 91. It was hosted by Mike Burkhart from Kahoka MX. I had a 1990 KX250 from Kawasaki of Missouri with Yokohama Super Diggers and pulled 2 great holeshots and worked my way backwards. Loving the Sawdust tracks of Kahoka and Memphis Mo this was my first true sand race and it killed me. Very rough I sure have respect for the riders who can go fast for a whole moto in those conditions.
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Law 131 wrote:
I was in St Petersburgh FL last week and was remembering the AMA Winter Series round that was held there in the winter of 77-78. Anyone...
I was in St Petersburgh FL last week and was remembering the AMA Winter Series round that was held there in the winter of 77-78. Anyone know what happened to that track? Didn't drive to the site because I don't remember where is was.
The new Sunshine MX was located pretty much on the old track property. It shut down a couple of years ago. New road from 688 down...
The new Sunshine MX was located pretty much on the old track property. It shut down a couple of years ago. New road from 688 down to 118th goes through there now. Development fast encroaching.


http://www.prosportsusa.com/images/SunshineMotocross2483-2-09_001.JPG
Thanks. I'll take a look at it from Google Earth.
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Barnett, here is what the track looked like in the overhead photo for the '77 program, which means the picture comes from a previous race of...
Barnett, here is what the track looked like in the overhead photo for the '77 program, which means the picture comes from a previous race of some importance....

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That's supposed to be Keirhsburg? Looks nothing like the track I raced and rode many times. Especially the lack of trees. Trees lined the entire track in 1989. The start went into a right hand turn.
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89 Fall series. Promoted by Mike Burkhart. That owns Kohoka MX


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2/27/2021 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2021 3:38pm
I was looking through the results of the Keithsburg 125 National in 1977. My recollection is that Magoo was absolutely flying but broke and finished out of the top 30. It was the most incredible ride I had ever seen in sand. I'll never forget it. I was running the 250 support class. Is my memory correct or was it Midland that Magoo was up front that year?
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Brad460 wrote:
If Hearlings was there he would have lapped Hannah....now that we have that out of the way..carry on...
Peter Herlings? Yeah, right.
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Law 131 wrote:
I was looking through the results of the Keithsburg 125 National in 1977. My recollection is that Magoo was absolutely flying but broke and finished out...
I was looking through the results of the Keithsburg 125 National in 1977. My recollection is that Magoo was absolutely flying but broke and finished out of the top 30. It was the most incredible ride I had ever seen in sand. I'll never forget it. I was running the 250 support class. Is my memory correct or was it Midland that Magoo was up front that year?
I was there in ‘77. Yes, Magoo was on the gas. I was shooting I think the first moto start a few turns into the track. Mike DiPrete the AMA honcho at the time was standing next to me. Magoo got the hole shot and passed us with his Suzuki pegged at what seemed like 18,000 rpm. DiPrete turned to me and asked ‘Who’s that?’ Being from NorCal and D-36, I replied, “That’s Magoo”. Good memory from a long time ago.
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2/28/2021 9:10am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2021 9:22am
This thread is really cool

I remember getting hooked on dirt bikes as a kid peeking through those picket snow fences at Motocross West on the Westbank of New Orleans. Don’t remember the year but the vault shows 1973 thru 76 would have been 5 to 9 years old
Absolutely love the nostalgia from these times

I know this thread is about Keithsburg but if anyone, DC, has any photos or history on the New Orleans National that would be bad ass

The track back then was run by the Phillips family, the son of the owner at the time still rides @ 60+ years old. The location is still there I believe, not rideable, at it was in the batture of the Mississippi River. Would love to see pics if anyone has them.

Our local hero was a rider named Bob Handy and to me as a kid he was Bob Hannah. Became friends with him later in life and hit local races together but haven’t spoken to him in years.


*****EDIT. Never mind on pics and vids, found a bunch on line.
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I also have a bunch of photos that appear to be more wooded, but I am guessing they are actually from Midland, Michigan, which was also...
I also have a bunch of photos that appear to be more wooded, but I am guessing they are actually from Midland, Michigan, which was also quite sandy. I will ask Scott Wallenberg to have a look -- he raced the nationals at both and is an encyclopedia of motocroknowledge too....

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DonM wrote:
Midland was a lot more wooded, it was mostly a darker sand very similar to Diamondback (I've got a pretty cool pic of me and David...
Midland was a lot more wooded, it was mostly a darker sand very similar to Diamondback (I've got a pretty cool pic of me and David Bailey on his blue Bultaco from there) but Midland was nowhere near as rough as Diamondback.
Polka Dots (Midland) has some of the best damn moto dirt anywhere on the planet. It's in a river basin adjacent to the Pine River and it has a mix of black riverbed soil and sand. It is awesome Smile
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DC wrote:
I also have a bunch of photos that appear to be more wooded, but I am guessing they are actually from Midland, Michigan, which was also...
I also have a bunch of photos that appear to be more wooded, but I am guessing they are actually from Midland, Michigan, which was also quite sandy. I will ask Scott Wallenberg to have a look -- he raced the nationals at both and is an encyclopedia of motocroknowledge too....

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DonM wrote:
Midland was a lot more wooded, it was mostly a darker sand very similar to Diamondback (I've got a pretty cool pic of me and David...
Midland was a lot more wooded, it was mostly a darker sand very similar to Diamondback (I've got a pretty cool pic of me and David Bailey on his blue Bultaco from there) but Midland was nowhere near as rough as Diamondback.
Polka Dots (Midland) has some of the best damn moto dirt anywhere on the planet. It's in a river basin adjacent to the Pine River and...
Polka Dots (Midland) has some of the best damn moto dirt anywhere on the planet. It's in a river basin adjacent to the Pine River and it has a mix of black riverbed soil and sand. It is awesome Smile
Like in NorCal and other regions, NorCal D-36 had Richmond Ramblers (think Dick Mann was a member), DDNMC and other clubs involved during this MX era.
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That is the old Herman Nebraska National track in that arial picture. Been there many times Lived about an hour away from it Great track

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