Any more news on new RM125?

Edited Date/Time 6/17/2020 12:43pm
As stated, any more news on that RM125 engine into 19 RMZ250 chassis proto that was spotted recently?
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I wish they would bring it back with the old steel frame with new plastic and suspension and more HP.
2 stroke + aluminum frame = vibration.
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As stated, any more news on that RM125 engine into 19 RMZ250 chassis proto that was spotted recently?
No gnews is good gnews....with Gary Gnu Laughing

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If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly 125. But, being one of the japanese "big 4", they will continue to follow the leader, be it Honda or Yamaha , and continue to suck wind

The better question for some of the two stroke dreamers , why don't you just go buy a european bike? you are oftern spending cubic dollars restoring old crap heaps and doing old japanese engine swaps (into newer chassis).

Wake up!!!! there are plenty of new two strokes....lighter/better/faster/nicer than the old japanese crap you remember

The japanese dont care that you like two strokes...aside from Yamaha. Yamaha cares just enough to rehash the same old, forever

Go buy a euro bike
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user760a wrote:
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly...
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly 125. But, being one of the japanese "big 4", they will continue to follow the leader, be it Honda or Yamaha , and continue to suck wind

The better question for some of the two stroke dreamers , why don't you just go buy a european bike? you are oftern spending cubic dollars restoring old crap heaps and doing old japanese engine swaps (into newer chassis).

Wake up!!!! there are plenty of new two strokes....lighter/better/faster/nicer than the old japanese crap you remember

The japanese dont care that you like two strokes...aside from Yamaha. Yamaha cares just enough to rehash the same old, forever

Go buy a euro bike
Some of us like Japanese "crap". Some of us will never buy a Euro bike. A LOT of us.
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2/21/2019 7:10am
How would it be legal to race? I wouldn't be homologated for racing.
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2/21/2019 7:14am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2019 7:15am
user760a wrote:
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly...
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly 125. But, being one of the japanese "big 4", they will continue to follow the leader, be it Honda or Yamaha , and continue to suck wind

The better question for some of the two stroke dreamers , why don't you just go buy a european bike? you are oftern spending cubic dollars restoring old crap heaps and doing old japanese engine swaps (into newer chassis).

Wake up!!!! there are plenty of new two strokes....lighter/better/faster/nicer than the old japanese crap you remember

The japanese dont care that you like two strokes...aside from Yamaha. Yamaha cares just enough to rehash the same old, forever

Go buy a euro bike
MOTO732 wrote:
Some of us like Japanese "crap". Some of us will never buy a Euro bike. A LOT of us.
the "japanese crap" comment is directed toward the old two strokes people insist on resuscitating repeatedly so that they can re-live their youth. Not all japanese bikes.

Anyone who wants an actual competitive, modern two stroke should just buy a euro bike. that's my point. give your business to the companies that actually seem to care what the buyer wants
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How would it be legal to race? I wouldn't be homologated for racing.
Sure it would.

Suzuki would classify it as an RM125. Even though it's basically an RMZ250, the frame serials would have a different numbering/lettering scheme to make a unique tie for the 125 motor.

If Suzuki offers a unique bundle that's assembled by Suzuki Motor of America, or a 3rd party like Cernics, the bike would be "production-based" and eligible for competition.
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2/21/2019 7:29am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2019 7:30am
This is a bit of a stretch but I wonder....

If KTM's TPI system was released (in part) due to the increasingly stringent Euro emissions regulations...

...and Europe actually has a legit 2-stroke series (EMX 125), along with individual country series where 125s are still "a thing"....

then is it possible, that unless you are grandfathered in (YZ125, etc), any new model bike released must meet the new emissions rules? Is it possible that the crate motor idea is a way to get around some crazy Euro rules whilst getting your bike out there racing in some legit national and international series? And the US market is just along for the ride?

Ahhh....but you say that Europe is nowhere near the dirt bike market that the USA is. That may be true. But when it comes to 125cc bikes, the USA lacks a platform (race series) for the bike to be showcased.

Before you all slap me down with your vital-knowledge, be advised that I know what a stretch, this line of thinking is. I'm merely posing the question, not asserting facts.
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The sad thing is, the last version (2006/2007) RM125 was a very good bike. They could simply build those again with updated plastic (like the new polisport kit) and it would be a great beginner level 125.

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2/21/2019 7:37am
user760a wrote:
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly...
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly 125. But, being one of the japanese "big 4", they will continue to follow the leader, be it Honda or Yamaha , and continue to suck wind

The better question for some of the two stroke dreamers , why don't you just go buy a european bike? you are oftern spending cubic dollars restoring old crap heaps and doing old japanese engine swaps (into newer chassis).

Wake up!!!! there are plenty of new two strokes....lighter/better/faster/nicer than the old japanese crap you remember

The japanese dont care that you like two strokes...aside from Yamaha. Yamaha cares just enough to rehash the same old, forever

Go buy a euro bike
MOTO732 wrote:
Some of us like Japanese "crap". Some of us will never buy a Euro bike. A LOT of us.
user760a wrote:
the "japanese crap" comment is directed toward the old two strokes people insist on resuscitating repeatedly so that they can re-live their youth. Not all japanese...
the "japanese crap" comment is directed toward the old two strokes people insist on resuscitating repeatedly so that they can re-live their youth. Not all japanese bikes.

Anyone who wants an actual competitive, modern two stroke should just buy a euro bike. that's my point. give your business to the companies that actually seem to care what the buyer wants
I paid $1500 for my 05 YZ250 and $1500 completely rebuilding it and that included new plastic and graphics. Please tell me where I would find a competitive Euro bike as fresh as mine is now with suspension set for me and my one of graphics for $3000.

Go ahead. I'll wait.
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MOTO732 wrote:
Some of us like Japanese "crap". Some of us will never buy a Euro bike. A LOT of us.
user760a wrote:
the "japanese crap" comment is directed toward the old two strokes people insist on resuscitating repeatedly so that they can re-live their youth. Not all japanese...
the "japanese crap" comment is directed toward the old two strokes people insist on resuscitating repeatedly so that they can re-live their youth. Not all japanese bikes.

Anyone who wants an actual competitive, modern two stroke should just buy a euro bike. that's my point. give your business to the companies that actually seem to care what the buyer wants
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I paid $1500 for my 05 YZ250 and $1500 completely rebuilding it and that included new plastic and graphics. Please tell me where I would find...
I paid $1500 for my 05 YZ250 and $1500 completely rebuilding it and that included new plastic and graphics. Please tell me where I would find a competitive Euro bike as fresh as mine is now with suspension set for me and my one of graphics for $3000.

Go ahead. I'll wait.
I did make a little exception for Yamaha....see above.
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Suzuki can be so tight lipped at times, the new 250f is surposed to have an app for ecu mapping but still just a rumour. I wouldn't be surprised if the ecu and the 125 option are true
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2/21/2019 12:03pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2019 12:05pm
If it was sold (crate engine, since that seems to be the angle this is headed) say as a "kit"? Meaning, everything needed to convert the current 250f platform over to a 125. New fuel tank, wiring harness, airbox, brackets, etc, all in one conversion kit that could completely change the bike from one to the other in little time. Literally plug-n-play so to speak..... Offer the kit at a steep discount to those buying a new 250f to further their number of yellow fenders on the starting line. Offer the kit also to be retrofitted on older models with just a few accessory changes to the kits core.....
Just some simple mental thoughts I had while eating my lunch. Could work? Who knows.... Probably will never happen. Sounds like fun though......Bash away
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From what I understand it is mainly for the rmarmy (Suzuki factory riders) kids to have a stepping stone from 85 to 250 for the amateur races I don’t think the locals will buy it but it will be another option to buy. Guy told me about it a month ago and I told him that he was crazy Suzuki would not bring back the two strokes then it popped up on vital them testing it so there is some truth to it.
2/21/2019 12:39pm
I'm thinking that if they do the work to develop this "crate engine package", it isn't much more to change around their production line from when they finish the RMZ250 production run to install said 2T parts instead of the 4T parts (engine, exhaust, electrics, pos radiators and maybe suspension with different settings which it definitely needs going on test feedback for little guys) , and do a limited run to test the waters much like the new YZ mini's did. Only way affordable for mine. We'll see I guess.
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You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable.
The presence of an RM125-powered RM-Z250 bike at a track isn't necessarily proof that there will be anything remotely like it for sale anytime soon. The kit idea would be cool, but I don't see Suzuki doing it. If they ever decide to reintroduce a 2-stroke big bike, it will be just that: an entire bike.
2/21/2019 1:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2019 2:00pm
I could see some yahoo swapping out a 3.5 HP crap go kart's motor for this, and forgetting about brakes and handling. Actually sounds like fun.
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I'm going to bet if this "crate motor" is sold it will be an item geared twords the RM 85 racers to be able to have a transition bike. Not really for 40 year old Joe Smith to relive his 125 glory days.
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Rotaholic wrote:
Suzuki can be so tight lipped at times, the new 250f is surposed to have an app for ecu mapping but still just a rumour. I...
Suzuki can be so tight lipped at times, the new 250f is surposed to have an app for ecu mapping but still just a rumour. I wouldn't be surprised if the ecu and the 125 option are true
ECU tuner is true, it’s stuff they got from GET. It wasn’t near finalized when we went to Japan to test the bike so it didn’t get brought up,
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2/21/2019 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2019 2:37pm
Falcon wrote:
You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable. The...
You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable.
The presence of an RM125-powered RM-Z250 bike at a track isn't necessarily proof that there will be anything remotely like it for sale anytime soon. The kit idea would be cool, but I don't see Suzuki doing it. If they ever decide to reintroduce a 2-stroke big bike, it will be just that: an entire bike.
More than likely you're correct. The thing that keeps me wondering about the whole mess are the pics of this "project bike" have Suzuki people standing all around it. Not to mention, it was transported in one of their rigs. Too many people around one bike just to be there to tighten spokes, and lube a chain...... They are up to something for sure.
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Falcon wrote:
You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable. The...
You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable.
The presence of an RM125-powered RM-Z250 bike at a track isn't necessarily proof that there will be anything remotely like it for sale anytime soon. The kit idea would be cool, but I don't see Suzuki doing it. If they ever decide to reintroduce a 2-stroke big bike, it will be just that: an entire bike.
True. But ML512, Keefer and Matthes all indicated they had heard from Suzuki themselves that it is in the pipeline. Thats the most rock solid indication that it could be happening yet.

I'm not sure how many they'll sell outside of kitting out a few amateur sponsored hotshots though. But atleast Suzuki are thinking outside the box a little.
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The hilarious thing is, if they literally kept the old frame, put some updated suspension and a motor in it, they'd sell out.
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Rotaholic wrote:
Suzuki can be so tight lipped at times, the new 250f is surposed to have an app for ecu mapping but still just a rumour. I...
Suzuki can be so tight lipped at times, the new 250f is surposed to have an app for ecu mapping but still just a rumour. I wouldn't be surprised if the ecu and the 125 option are true
ML512 wrote:
ECU tuner is true, it’s stuff they got from GET. It wasn’t near finalized when we went to Japan to test the bike so it didn’t...
ECU tuner is true, it’s stuff they got from GET. It wasn’t near finalized when we went to Japan to test the bike so it didn’t get brought up,
..wasn't brought up Wink
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Falcon wrote:
You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable. The...
You guys are reading way too much into this. Suzuki, like all the other OEMs, sometimes tests one-off bikes to see if they are viable.
The presence of an RM125-powered RM-Z250 bike at a track isn't necessarily proof that there will be anything remotely like it for sale anytime soon. The kit idea would be cool, but I don't see Suzuki doing it. If they ever decide to reintroduce a 2-stroke big bike, it will be just that: an entire bike.
Thats what I'm thinking.

It would be a lot easier for Suzuki to drop the 125 engine into the 250f roller at the factory.

Why go to the hassle of designing and providing crate engine kits for the mass public?
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user760a wrote:
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly...
If the leadership at suzuki had any brain power at all, they would cook up a competitive 350 four stroke, a 300 two stroke and possibly 125. But, being one of the japanese "big 4", they will continue to follow the leader, be it Honda or Yamaha , and continue to suck wind

The better question for some of the two stroke dreamers , why don't you just go buy a european bike? you are oftern spending cubic dollars restoring old crap heaps and doing old japanese engine swaps (into newer chassis).

Wake up!!!! there are plenty of new two strokes....lighter/better/faster/nicer than the old japanese crap you remember

The japanese dont care that you like two strokes...aside from Yamaha. Yamaha cares just enough to rehash the same old, forever

Go buy a euro bike
KTM will never get a penny from me. Not a fan of the brand at all. Never have been and never will be. But that is ok!!
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There has been a secret insider thread about a rm125 come back every year since they canned the bike back in 2008.
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Well, I don't think most of us will ever buy one, let alone ride one, and their target market is gonna be a small amount of dedicated riders who want to remain brand loyal for scouts, so instead of spending a bunch of money, reviving a dead horse, with who knows what kinda riding and maintenance done, buying a modern frame, with zero hours on it, and getting a brand new engine, is their direction they wanna take, then more power to them, Suzuki is going to look at that at the sub pro ranks as they are willing to spend the money on us, then that's who Suzuki wants riding for them. But even more so, the euro market, where 125 racing is still intact, with real racing series devoted to 2 strokes, where yet again, aspiring young riders are wanting to prove their mettle, and show their brand loyalty, lots of these kids will be sponsored, and bikes paid for, it's not that they want a rm125z, it's that they want to get onto Suzuki rmz250 after that series is over, and they have moved onto their next class of racing.
But to think it's legal for AMA competition even tho the numbers say it's a rmz250, isn't the case, suzuki would have to produce them from the factory, and pay the legal fee's to make them legal for AMA pro competition, and they won't, Yamaha still makes 2 strokes, but have they paid the legal fee's, to make them legal for AMA pro competition, no, flat out no, the last time a 250 2 stroke raced in the Ama pro ranks, was a project called projecttwo50, and that was year and years ago now
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15tc150 wrote:
Well, I don't think most of us will ever buy one, let alone ride one, and their target market is gonna be a small amount of...
Well, I don't think most of us will ever buy one, let alone ride one, and their target market is gonna be a small amount of dedicated riders who want to remain brand loyal for scouts, so instead of spending a bunch of money, reviving a dead horse, with who knows what kinda riding and maintenance done, buying a modern frame, with zero hours on it, and getting a brand new engine, is their direction they wanna take, then more power to them, Suzuki is going to look at that at the sub pro ranks as they are willing to spend the money on us, then that's who Suzuki wants riding for them. But even more so, the euro market, where 125 racing is still intact, with real racing series devoted to 2 strokes, where yet again, aspiring young riders are wanting to prove their mettle, and show their brand loyalty, lots of these kids will be sponsored, and bikes paid for, it's not that they want a rm125z, it's that they want to get onto Suzuki rmz250 after that series is over, and they have moved onto their next class of racing.
But to think it's legal for AMA competition even tho the numbers say it's a rmz250, isn't the case, suzuki would have to produce them from the factory, and pay the legal fee's to make them legal for AMA pro competition, and they won't, Yamaha still makes 2 strokes, but have they paid the legal fee's, to make them legal for AMA pro competition, no, flat out no, the last time a 250 2 stroke raced in the Ama pro ranks, was a project called projecttwo50, and that was year and years ago now
Three sentences, 36 commas.
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Way to go grammer guy!
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The internet is funny, when people count your commas and try and belittle other people for no reason, that's community for you! 1 sentence, 3 commas, no 4, no 5, no 6! And a few of these!!!!!!
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