Leatt Helmet doesn't look good at this crash...

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2/17/2019 5:48pm
carmfarm wrote:
Lol yeah the crash was at fault . I have a brand new Leatt. Do you want it? I'll ship to you now!
Sure, is it a medium?
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2/17/2019 5:51pm
JBecker 72 wrote:
Is that a compound fracture on his right arm as well? Wishing him a speedy recovery.
Oww!! Jesus Christ I just lost my lunch!
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2/17/2019 5:52pm
CG118 wrote:
Ooo. That elbow looks nasty JBecker. Didn’t see that.
philG wrote:
Thats just blood from his facial injuries, which as far as i have been told, are a broken cheek/jaw and broken nose. He was down a...
Thats just blood from his facial injuries, which as far as i have been told, are a broken cheek/jaw and broken nose.

He was down a long time, and stabilised at the side of the track by the medics, who took good care of him.

Until footage emerges of what happened, its not easy to say what the severity of the impact was, but concensus of those that saw it was that it wasnt the outcome you would expect from this crash.


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Team saying after scans, he has only a broken nose but is very bashed about.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Yeah, I doubt he'd be holding himself up with an open fractured humorous.
Ok. Damn it sure looked like a bad arm injury. Glad it wasn't.
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Would you also blame the helmet for what happened to Weston P? Some crashes, suffice to say, just involve a lot and SOMETIMES you're going to...
Would you also blame the helmet for what happened to Weston P?

Some crashes, suffice to say, just involve a lot and SOMETIMES you're going to the hospital no matter how much gear you have on.

I too would like to see the crash of this.
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Saw Weston his crash in person, and no his Fly couldn't do a thing about it. If we wanna play the blame game then I blame...
Saw Weston his crash in person, and no his Fly couldn't do a thing about it. If we wanna play the blame game then I blame Cedric Soubeyras JPM Suzuki's Bridgestone who fitted perfectly in the opening and destroyed Weston' face.
Put him in an Arai and I honestly think he comes out better than he did , not uninjured but alot better. ,its alot bigger around the chin bar area and smaller opening
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2/17/2019 7:19pm
Arai are where they are for a reason. No gimmicks, no BS. Have a look at their egg shaped shell and tell me that wouldn't have been of benefit to Peick; especially how he took that impact. Arais are at their strongest at that point, and have a smaller eyeport (which some find annoying).
Most helmets are covered in scoops that will dig in to dirt, catch, and wrench a riders head around. Arai vents snap off or pop out. Fox/fly helmets are effectively shovels in comparison.
I won't wear anything else because that's all they do. They make great helmets; not gear, boots or neck braces. 100% of their focus is motorsport helmets.
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2/17/2019 7:25pm
Let's be real here, you wouldn't see the chinbar snap off an Arai or Shoei like that in ANY scenario.
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I’ve broken the front off a decent quality helmet before at the chin bar. Thankfully I didn’t have anything more than a couple scratches and torn up cheek inside my mouth. Hoping for a speedy recovery. Looks brutal.
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MXMattii wrote:
Brad Anderson crashed at Hawkstone Park and his Leatt Helmet got totally ripped in pieces. In the picture it looks like he's wearing a helmet without...
Brad Anderson crashed at Hawkstone Park and his Leatt Helmet got totally ripped in pieces. In the picture it looks like he's wearing a helmet without mouth piece... Don't want to throw them under the bus, but head protection is bit to important to not post this and sweep this under the carpet or sand.



Of course I have no proof, but I have a feeling that any helmet that was being worn at that race would have suffered the same results. Not one of the top helmet manufacturers are putting out subpar helmets. If he was wearing a piece of shit from the local sales rack at cycle gear I may agree it was a weak helmet. Guaranteed this was a freak accident. Not sure what you have against Leatt but this is a bullshit post trying to discredit a excellent company that builds exceptional products. And no, u have ZERO financial or any other vested interest in Leatt. Just hate to see personal attacks like this trying to piss on a company that doesn’t deserve it
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Let's be real here, you wouldn't see the chinbar snap off an Arai or Shoei like that in ANY scenario.
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
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ML512 wrote:
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
You mean one of these?


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Let's be real here, you wouldn't see the chinbar snap off an Arai or Shoei like that in ANY scenario.
Well I guess you would never know unless you put the Shoei or Aria through the exact same crash/impact/contact with the machine that the Leatt went through. I have 3 different Shoei helmets on the shelf but I would never hesitate to buy a Leatt based on one crash result that we have no idea what caused the damage.
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MXMattii wrote:
Brad Anderson crashed at Hawkstone Park and his Leatt Helmet got totally ripped in pieces. In the picture it looks like he's wearing a helmet without...
Brad Anderson crashed at Hawkstone Park and his Leatt Helmet got totally ripped in pieces. In the picture it looks like he's wearing a helmet without mouth piece... Don't want to throw them under the bus, but head protection is bit to important to not post this and sweep this under the carpet or sand.



KennyT wrote:
Of course I have no proof, but I have a feeling that any helmet that was being worn at that race would have suffered the same...
Of course I have no proof, but I have a feeling that any helmet that was being worn at that race would have suffered the same results. Not one of the top helmet manufacturers are putting out subpar helmets. If he was wearing a piece of shit from the local sales rack at cycle gear I may agree it was a weak helmet. Guaranteed this was a freak accident. Not sure what you have against Leatt but this is a bullshit post trying to discredit a excellent company that builds exceptional products. And no, u have ZERO financial or any other vested interest in Leatt. Just hate to see personal attacks like this trying to piss on a company that doesn’t deserve it
If I see something similar with a other brand I would post it too. I also tried to keep to keep the text as basic as possible because I didn't wanted to offend or influence the vitalmx readers when making up their mind. It just doesn't look good a picture like that. Excuses if you feel offended.
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ML512 wrote:
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
You mean one of these? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/02/17/326207/s1200_s1600_IMG_8201.jpg[/img]
You mean one of these?


Those were pre my time, I’m talking about the generation right before the current one. VX-Pro4 I believe.
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2/17/2019 9:07pm
Why not use a race car style helmet? Too heavy? There is more facial support. Also, googles are eliminated.
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ML512 wrote:
Those were pre my time, I’m talking about the generation right before the current one. VX-Pro4 I believe.
I know you aren't that old dude, I'm just finding it hard to picture an Arai with a blown out chinbar... pics or it didn't happen.
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2/17/2019 10:02pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2019 10:05pm
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Yeah, I doubt he'd be holding himself up with an open fractured humorous.
I got back on my feet under my own power with a humerus broken in about a dozen places, broken neck, broken sternum, 5 broken ribs and punctured lung after being out cold for a few minutes. That guy is a motocrosser, not a soccer player!

Of course if I’d known all this at the time I would have waited for the whambulance.
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Yeah, I doubt he'd be holding himself up with an open fractured humorous.
nytsmaC wrote:
I got back on my feet under my own power with a humerus broken in about a dozen places, broken neck, broken sternum, 5 broken ribs...
I got back on my feet under my own power with a humerus broken in about a dozen places, broken neck, broken sternum, 5 broken ribs and punctured lung after being out cold for a few minutes. That guy is a motocrosser, not a soccer player!

Of course if I’d known all this at the time I would have waited for the whambulance.
Sorry you had to experience such terrible
Injuries. Hope you are making progress and the pain is minimal.
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2/17/2019 10:17pm
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Sorry you had to experience such terrible
Injuries. Hope you are making progress and the pain is minimal.
All good,, thanks. Not looking for sympathy or to derail the thread. Just pointing out that MXers are a resilient bunch. SMF already knows this, he’s been there too as many of us have.
2/17/2019 11:42pm
ML512 wrote:
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
You mean one of these? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/02/17/326207/s1200_s1600_IMG_8201.jpg[/img]
You mean one of these?


ML512 wrote:
Those were pre my time, I’m talking about the generation right before the current one. VX-Pro4 I believe.
where is pic of helmet? and what injury's did you get?
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First of all i hope Brad recovers quickly. And I have not seen the accident so cannot comment on the Leatt helmet.

Having said that, imo there is a need for a new objective 'safety ranking system' in the MX helmet industry.
If i look for a helmet and visit one of the bigger online retailers (regardless of which retailer) they offer a bunch of different makes and there is no way to objectively view which helmets offer the best protection. Basically all helmets above $ 100 are snell approved and then you have 30 makes, 100 models and price ranges from $100 to $800. But no way to see testdata or some kind of ranking (a to e or whatever).
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roninho wrote:
First of all i hope Brad recovers quickly. And I have not seen the accident so cannot comment on the Leatt helmet. Having said that, imo...
First of all i hope Brad recovers quickly. And I have not seen the accident so cannot comment on the Leatt helmet.

Having said that, imo there is a need for a new objective 'safety ranking system' in the MX helmet industry.
If i look for a helmet and visit one of the bigger online retailers (regardless of which retailer) they offer a bunch of different makes and there is no way to objectively view which helmets offer the best protection. Basically all helmets above $ 100 are snell approved and then you have 30 makes, 100 models and price ranges from $100 to $800. But no way to see testdata or some kind of ranking (a to e or whatever).
they should put rankings like they do for energy efficiency on nearly all electrical items/windows/insulation/homes.
Good idea!
Would also encourage companies to increase the safety of their cheaper units as well, forcing competition and then the consumer would benefit from better tech at lower price points!
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2/18/2019 2:02am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2019 2:12am
Ummm.... this is actually a VERY good thing.

The law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.

The energy that went into destroying that helmet had to go somewhere, its either his head or the helmet. All of the support that goes into keeping a helmet together is more energy transferred to your brain. Think about it, ideally for a heImet to absord everything, it would be something around your head that is a giant crumple zone. The thing is manufacturers know consumers dont want to buy a new helmet everytime they bump their head, because theyre expensive, so they use materials to keep them together. All of the strength keeping it together is less energy than can be absorbed.

If the helmet stays in good shape it goes to his head n destroys his brain. If it destroys the helmet then it transferred that massive amount of energy into destroying the helmet before it got to his brain. This is actually the best Ive seen a helmet work. Maybe a little too good because he still got cut, so maybe make it a tad stronger... but then thats more energy passing into his head. Its all about compromises in safety. Compromise a destroyed helmet for a healthy brain.


Id much rather have a destroyed helmet and a couple cuts, then a destroyed brain and either be dead or in a coma... After that horrible crash did he have a concussion?


This helmet transferred a shit ton of energy from the impact into crumpling the helmet, that otherwise would have transferred into his brain.
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drt410 wrote:
Ummm.... this is actually a VERY good thing. The law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. The energy that went...
Ummm.... this is actually a VERY good thing.

The law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.

The energy that went into destroying that helmet had to go somewhere, its either his head or the helmet. All of the support that goes into keeping a helmet together is more energy transferred to your brain. Think about it, ideally for a heImet to absord everything, it would be something around your head that is a giant crumple zone. The thing is manufacturers know consumers dont want to buy a new helmet everytime they bump their head, because theyre expensive, so they use materials to keep them together. All of the strength keeping it together is less energy than can be absorbed.

If the helmet stays in good shape it goes to his head n destroys his brain. If it destroys the helmet then it transferred that massive amount of energy into destroying the helmet before it got to his brain. This is actually the best Ive seen a helmet work. Maybe a little too good because he still got cut, so maybe make it a tad stronger... but then thats more energy passing into his head. Its all about compromises in safety. Compromise a destroyed helmet for a healthy brain.


Id much rather have a destroyed helmet and a couple cuts, then a destroyed brain and either be dead or in a coma... After that horrible crash did he have a concussion?


This helmet transferred a shit ton of energy from the impact into crumpling the helmet, that otherwise would have transferred into his brain.
I call bollocks that it is a good thing this happened to Brad's crash helmet. The interior is the part designed to absorb and disperse impact and reduce the effects of the crash to the riders head, that is completely negated if the shell is incapable of withstanding normal usage which is a crash happening during a motocross race. What if that crash went on for a few more seconds? With the chin bar gone and the shell well and truly compromised greater risk to the riders head is now a certainty, the rider now relying on luck to save him.

This is a design failure with the crash helmet but thankfully it would seem without serious consequences for Brad.
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2/18/2019 4:02am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2019 4:21am
Let's be real here, you wouldn't see the chinbar snap off an Arai or Shoei like that in ANY scenario.
ML512 wrote:
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
What about this then ^^


Thats why I said its a compromise. You compromise the longevity of the helmet for it to crack in places that otherwise would have been your skull. The crash impact forces were apparently so high that if this were transferred to his skull/brain hed be muuuch more jacked up than a broken nose and some cuts.

We dont know the forces involved here, but like I said Id rather have some cuts and a destroyed helmet that be in a coma. Leatt makes high quality products and they have stringent safety standards to meet.

Wed have to see how severe the crash was. The interior is meant to disperse the impact but theres only so much a couple inches of foam can do with extreme forces involved. The shell is there to protect the skull from fractures. If the helmet fractures it means your skull would have fractured. These helmets have to meet stringent safety standards. Its illegal for Leatt to sell a POS helmet that doesnt meet safety standards and will explode in normal crashes. This will happen if forces are beyond what a little foam can do.

Its the same concept as crumple zones in a car. The energy HAS to be absorbed somewhere. In a severe crash the car will be destroyed, but all that destruction absorbs energy that otherwise would have been transfered right through the occupants. What would you rather... a car that can survive crashes in tact but the people inside are scrambled eggs or a car that crumples, absorbs energy, and is destroyed, but everybody survives with minor injuries?
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drt410 wrote:
Ummm.... this is actually a VERY good thing. The law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. The energy that went...
Ummm.... this is actually a VERY good thing.

The law of conservation of energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.

The energy that went into destroying that helmet had to go somewhere, its either his head or the helmet. All of the support that goes into keeping a helmet together is more energy transferred to your brain. Think about it, ideally for a heImet to absord everything, it would be something around your head that is a giant crumple zone. The thing is manufacturers know consumers dont want to buy a new helmet everytime they bump their head, because theyre expensive, so they use materials to keep them together. All of the strength keeping it together is less energy than can be absorbed.

If the helmet stays in good shape it goes to his head n destroys his brain. If it destroys the helmet then it transferred that massive amount of energy into destroying the helmet before it got to his brain. This is actually the best Ive seen a helmet work. Maybe a little too good because he still got cut, so maybe make it a tad stronger... but then thats more energy passing into his head. Its all about compromises in safety. Compromise a destroyed helmet for a healthy brain.


Id much rather have a destroyed helmet and a couple cuts, then a destroyed brain and either be dead or in a coma... After that horrible crash did he have a concussion?


This helmet transferred a shit ton of energy from the impact into crumpling the helmet, that otherwise would have transferred into his brain.
Sir wrote:
I call bollocks that it is a good thing this happened to Brad's crash helmet. The interior is the part designed to absorb and disperse impact...
I call bollocks that it is a good thing this happened to Brad's crash helmet. The interior is the part designed to absorb and disperse impact and reduce the effects of the crash to the riders head, that is completely negated if the shell is incapable of withstanding normal usage which is a crash happening during a motocross race. What if that crash went on for a few more seconds? With the chin bar gone and the shell well and truly compromised greater risk to the riders head is now a certainty, the rider now relying on luck to save him.

This is a design failure with the crash helmet but thankfully it would seem without serious consequences for Brad.
I do too call it bollocks as the energy transfered to the brain is similar.



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The Leatt helmet did what it should do. The chin bar broke off to prevent Anderson from breaking his neck. He came of pretty good if you ask me.
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You guys acting like plastic or carbon fiber wont crack are funny. Yes shoeis and arais are top helmets but stop pretending like the plastic shell is indestructible. If you hit steel hard enough it cracks too.
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Let's be real here, you wouldn't see the chinbar snap off an Arai or Shoei like that in ANY scenario.
ML512 wrote:
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
drt410 wrote:
What about this then ^^ Thats why I said its a compromise. You compromise the longevity of the helmet for it to crack in places that...
What about this then ^^


Thats why I said its a compromise. You compromise the longevity of the helmet for it to crack in places that otherwise would have been your skull. The crash impact forces were apparently so high that if this were transferred to his skull/brain hed be muuuch more jacked up than a broken nose and some cuts.

We dont know the forces involved here, but like I said Id rather have some cuts and a destroyed helmet that be in a coma. Leatt makes high quality products and they have stringent safety standards to meet.

Wed have to see how severe the crash was. The interior is meant to disperse the impact but theres only so much a couple inches of foam can do with extreme forces involved. The shell is there to protect the skull from fractures. If the helmet fractures it means your skull would have fractured. These helmets have to meet stringent safety standards. Its illegal for Leatt to sell a POS helmet that doesnt meet safety standards and will explode in normal crashes. This will happen if forces are beyond what a little foam can do.

Its the same concept as crumple zones in a car. The energy HAS to be absorbed somewhere. In a severe crash the car will be destroyed, but all that destruction absorbs energy that otherwise would have been transfered right through the occupants. What would you rather... a car that can survive crashes in tact but the people inside are scrambled eggs or a car that crumples, absorbs energy, and is destroyed, but everybody survives with minor injuries?
Never heard of Aria helmets. Arai on the other hand would learn from that malfunction and adjust design/manufacturing to ensure the best they could that would not happen again.

The concept might be the same as cars but then vehicle manufactures have considerably more material to work with. You may have noticed that automobiles are much larger than what they were back in the 80's/90's. What is considered a small car today would have been family size three decades ago. That concept cannot be used in helmet manufacture as you will end up with shell sizes that are way to big in comparison to the riders head, that in its self would be a hazard for the rider.

I would much rather suffer a concussion and have NO intrusion through the shell verses a helmet that has all the bells and whistles regarding MIPS and other absorption technologies but allows a foreign object to pierce the shell and through the skull. I think that has the bigger potential for a more brain damaging injury compared to a concussion, don't you?
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The Leatt helmet did what it should do. The chin bar broke off to prevent Anderson from breaking his neck. He came of pretty good if...
The Leatt helmet did what it should do. The chin bar broke off to prevent Anderson from breaking his neck. He came of pretty good if you ask me.
I thought the Leatt neck brace was for that purpose. No?
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ML512 wrote:
Ummm, I shattered one side of a chin bar out on an Aria.
drt410 wrote:
What about this then ^^ Thats why I said its a compromise. You compromise the longevity of the helmet for it to crack in places that...
What about this then ^^


Thats why I said its a compromise. You compromise the longevity of the helmet for it to crack in places that otherwise would have been your skull. The crash impact forces were apparently so high that if this were transferred to his skull/brain hed be muuuch more jacked up than a broken nose and some cuts.

We dont know the forces involved here, but like I said Id rather have some cuts and a destroyed helmet that be in a coma. Leatt makes high quality products and they have stringent safety standards to meet.

Wed have to see how severe the crash was. The interior is meant to disperse the impact but theres only so much a couple inches of foam can do with extreme forces involved. The shell is there to protect the skull from fractures. If the helmet fractures it means your skull would have fractured. These helmets have to meet stringent safety standards. Its illegal for Leatt to sell a POS helmet that doesnt meet safety standards and will explode in normal crashes. This will happen if forces are beyond what a little foam can do.

Its the same concept as crumple zones in a car. The energy HAS to be absorbed somewhere. In a severe crash the car will be destroyed, but all that destruction absorbs energy that otherwise would have been transfered right through the occupants. What would you rather... a car that can survive crashes in tact but the people inside are scrambled eggs or a car that crumples, absorbs energy, and is destroyed, but everybody survives with minor injuries?
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Never heard of Aria helmets. Arai on the other hand would learn from that malfunction and adjust design/manufacturing to ensure the best they could that would...
Never heard of Aria helmets. Arai on the other hand would learn from that malfunction and adjust design/manufacturing to ensure the best they could that would not happen again.

The concept might be the same as cars but then vehicle manufactures have considerably more material to work with. You may have noticed that automobiles are much larger than what they were back in the 80's/90's. What is considered a small car today would have been family size three decades ago. That concept cannot be used in helmet manufacture as you will end up with shell sizes that are way to big in comparison to the riders head, that in its self would be a hazard for the rider.

I would much rather suffer a concussion and have NO intrusion through the shell verses a helmet that has all the bells and whistles regarding MIPS and other absorption technologies but allows a foreign object to pierce the shell and through the skull. I think that has the bigger potential for a more brain damaging injury compared to a concussion, don't you?
Buy a snell rated helmet. They dont peirce like the cheapo dot ones do.
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