Tickle is pissed

MPJC wrote:

There hasn't been a ruling yet - nine months later. If you're ever arrested for something, how about the police just put you in a cell...

There hasn't been a ruling yet - nine months later. If you're ever arrested for something, how about the police just put you in a cell and leave you there with some legal information? It might be overstatement to call the situation Kafkaesque, but not much.

lostboy819 wrote:

This has nothing to do with being arrested or thrown in a cell so quit using this as a argument. Cant even compare the two.

kkawboy14 wrote:

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MPJC wrote:

There hasn't been a ruling yet - nine months later. If you're ever arrested for something, how about the police just put you in a cell...

There hasn't been a ruling yet - nine months later. If you're ever arrested for something, how about the police just put you in a cell and leave you there with some legal information? It might be overstatement to call the situation Kafkaesque, but not much.

lostboy819 wrote:

This has nothing to do with being arrested or thrown in a cell so quit using this as a argument. Cant even compare the two.

MPJC wrote:

It's an analogy. If the two were exactly the same, it wouldn't be analogous, it would be identical. The relevant similarity is that there is a...

It's an analogy. If the two were exactly the same, it wouldn't be analogous, it would be identical. The relevant similarity is that there is a hefty penalty, and the relevant principle is that hefty penalties ought to be justified by some sort of reasonable rules and enforced by a fair procedure. A procedure that leaves you in limbo for an inordinate amount of time is not fair.

MPJC wrote:

If it's so clear, then why can't they simply issue a ruling? What is the purpose of the delay? Are they just fucking with him?

lostboy819 wrote:

This has nothing to do with being arrested or thrown in a cell so quit using this as a argument. Cant even compare the two.

MPJC wrote:

It's an analogy. If the two were exactly the same, it wouldn't be analogous, it would be identical. The relevant similarity is that there is a...

It's an analogy. If the two were exactly the same, it wouldn't be analogous, it would be identical. The relevant similarity is that there is a hefty penalty, and the relevant principle is that hefty penalties ought to be justified by some sort of reasonable rules and enforced by a fair procedure. A procedure that leaves you in limbo for an inordinate amount of time is not fair.

lostboy819 wrote:

Then maybe Broc should not have taking the banned substance. Damn life is so unfair when you get caught.

brocster wrote:

I don’t think my company has the legal right to put me on suspension for an undertermined amount of time and regulate with a threat of...

I don’t think my company has the legal right to put me on suspension for an undertermined amount of time and regulate with a threat of where I can work within my craft out of their jurisdiction in the interim. Failed drug test or not, no one should have that much control over your livelihood.

lostboy819 wrote:

The FIM and WADA are not Brocs employer, KTM was and they fired him. You can't compare your job and a professional athlete. Lets say that...

The FIM and WADA are not Brocs employer, KTM was and they fired him. You can't compare your job and a professional athlete. Lets say that he was a pilot for TWA and got caught flying on drugs. TWA can fire him but the FAA can keep him from flying for someone else by suspending his license or revoking it altogether.

MPJC wrote:

If it's so clear, then why can't they simply issue a ruling? What is the purpose of the delay? Are they just fucking with him?

GrapeApe wrote:

To issue a ruling they have to first have a hearing, unless Tickle waives the right to a hearing. To have a hearing both sides first...

To issue a ruling they have to first have a hearing, unless Tickle waives the right to a hearing. To have a hearing both sides first have to prepare their case, which takes time. Do you realize the extent of their jurisdiction and the number of cases they have pending? They are not just sitting in an office in Switzerland playing chess.

MPJC wrote:

If it's so clear, then why can't they simply issue a ruling? What is the purpose of the delay? Are they just fucking with him?

GrapeApe wrote:

To issue a ruling they have to first have a hearing, unless Tickle waives the right to a hearing. To have a hearing both sides first...

To issue a ruling they have to first have a hearing, unless Tickle waives the right to a hearing. To have a hearing both sides first have to prepare their case, which takes time. Do you realize the extent of their jurisdiction and the number of cases they have pending? They are not just sitting in an office in Switzerland playing chess.

MPJC wrote:

Then perhaps they aren't capable of handling these matters in a way that any reasonable person would consider fair. I take it that one of the...

Then perhaps they aren't capable of handling these matters in a way that any reasonable person would consider fair. I take it that one of the main complaints voiced by many on this forum is that WADA is entirely the wrong organization for this task.

EngIceDave wrote:

He’s “banned from competition”
WADA enforced or not
Try and circumvent “competition,” and WADA can come down on you really hard.

Paul333 wrote:

Exactly

And that will have serious consequences in any civil case.

lostboy819 wrote:

Lots of arm chair lawyers in this thread who have no clue. Broc doesn't have a leg to stand on.

drt410 wrote:

Nobody (well most people) arent saying their testing is flawed, hes absolutely innocent...etc. Him not receiving his suspension yet and the date he will be reinstated...

Nobody (well most people) arent saying their testing is flawed, hes absolutely innocent...etc. Him not receiving his suspension yet and the date he will be reinstated is the problem. You dont have to be a lawyer to have common sense, know when someones being dicked around, or something is unfair. A lawyer is there to ensure that you receive a fair and balanced trial and your rights are not violated, not to teach you common sense.

If he knows hes suspended for 4 years from the date of the test, which he has said he has no answer yet, but if he does and is witholding it then fug him. As far as we know though, according to him, theyre just ignoring him and not telling him when hes suspended until, thats bs. The lengthy punishments are bs but thats for another day... aka when a big brand gets pissed their top guy pops, until then KTM is just happy they got Cooper Webb for Broc Tickle.

MPJC wrote:

There hasn't been a ruling yet - nine months later. If you're ever arrested for something, how about the police just put you in a cell...

There hasn't been a ruling yet - nine months later. If you're ever arrested for something, how about the police just put you in a cell and leave you there with some legal information? It might be overstatement to call the situation Kafkaesque, but not much.

lostboy819 wrote:

This has nothing to do with being arrested or thrown in a cell so quit using this as a argument. Cant even compare the two.

EngIceDave wrote:

OK, challenge away
But that’s how it is

EngIceDave wrote:

One more thing, he can go to Canada, but then WADA can ban him from competition for life (in WADA/USADA events), and where do tpyou think...

One more thing, he can go to Canada, but then WADA can ban him from competition for life (in WADA/USADA events), and where do tpyou think he’ll make more money, in Canada the rest of his life or taking a year off to go back to racing in the US again?

Which has the greater earning potential

Riders know what they’re signing up for and the rules

EngIceDave wrote:

One more thing, he can go to Canada, but then WADA can ban him from competition for life (in WADA/USADA events), and where do tpyou think...

One more thing, he can go to Canada, but then WADA can ban him from competition for life (in WADA/USADA events), and where do tpyou think he’ll make more money, in Canada the rest of his life or taking a year off to go back to racing in the US again?

Which has the greater earning potential

Riders know what they’re signing up for and the rules

brocster wrote:

Wait everyone is certain its a two year sentence. Sorry, but he was barely hanging on at the time. Two years out he’s more than likely...

Wait everyone is certain its a two year sentence. Sorry, but he was barely hanging on at the time. Two years out he’s more than likely done anyway given the state of our sport and amount of rides (paying) available. Tough decision but...

brocster wrote:

I don’t think my company has the legal right to put me on suspension for an undertermined amount of time and regulate with a threat of...

I don’t think my company has the legal right to put me on suspension for an undertermined amount of time and regulate with a threat of where I can work within my craft out of their jurisdiction in the interim. Failed drug test or not, no one should have that much control over your livelihood.

lostboy819 wrote:

The FIM and WADA are not Brocs employer, KTM was and they fired him. You can't compare your job and a professional athlete. Lets say that...

The FIM and WADA are not Brocs employer, KTM was and they fired him. You can't compare your job and a professional athlete. Lets say that he was a pilot for TWA and got caught flying on drugs. TWA can fire him but the FAA can keep him from flying for someone else by suspending his license or revoking it altogether.

newmann wrote:

I remember when RC was about to get pinched for the unleaded fuel scam. He pretty much told a number of higher ups to go f'...

I remember when RC was about to get pinched for the unleaded fuel scam. He pretty much told a number of higher ups to go f' themselves from what info was coming out. He didn't cheat and they knew they had f'd up. A trace amount that wouldn't affect anything except a lab test.

Park Boys wrote:

RC used his name when he got busted in 06. He said if it wasn’t over turned he was gonna drop out of SX and just...

RC used his name when he got busted in 06. He said if it wasn’t over turned he was gonna drop out of SX and just focus on the Nationals. They of course shit bricks with the prospect of RC dropping out and gave him his 25 points back. WADA is a diffrerent beast though.

fourfourone wrote:

I don't do prescription drugs, never been my thing but I did take adderal once. 100% it could give someone a HUGE advantage in racing. That's...

I don't do prescription drugs, never been my thing but I did take adderal once. 100% it could give someone a HUGE advantage in racing. That's why college kids eat them like m & m's to study for tests. Give you crazy energy and makes you laser focused.

fourfourone wrote:

I don't do prescription drugs, never been my thing but I did take adderal once. 100% it could give someone a HUGE advantage in racing. That's...

I don't do prescription drugs, never been my thing but I did take adderal once. 100% it could give someone a HUGE advantage in racing. That's why college kids eat them like m & m's to study for tests. Give you crazy energy and makes you laser focused.

RydeRed wrote:

ct-corey wrote:

I don't do prescription drugs, never been my thing but I did take adderal once.
Thats flat BS.. Adderall is a prescription drug. LMAO.

Paul333 wrote:

Really? Loss of livelihood is almost equally as bad. This is America and we aren’t supposed to be run by European Union type bureaucrats. We have...

Really?

Loss of livelihood is almost equally as bad. This is America and we aren’t supposed to be run by European Union type bureaucrats. We have due process rights and an overly active civil courts system. You cannot simply accuse a man of a crime and take away his job virtually forever. They might be able to keep him from racing but the longer this goes the more it would be frowned apun by a civil court and especially a jury. It’s unamerican and might cost Feld millions.

BernieMadof wrote:

You lose your job? Just like he lost his job. He got caught, don't like it? Don't fail drug test it is that simple.

WoodsRacer wrote:

Yes he lost his job, that part is straight forward and I think all get it. What is wrong here is they are also keeping him...

Yes he lost his job, that part is straight forward and I think all get it.

What is wrong here is they are also keeping him from working. Can not run one off races, other series, or even know when he can complete in the US again. So they are keeping him from making a living, that is seriously wrong.

BernieMadof wrote:

So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This...

So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This boat has sailed, he needs to take a hint and move on. My point is, this is just like crying that you lost your job for smoking pot knowing you're getting drug tested. No difference.

BernieMadof wrote:

He failed a drug test for a banded substance, I do not buy the "I have no idea where it came from". Fail a drug test...

He failed a drug test for a banded substance, I do not buy the "I have no idea where it came from". Fail a drug test for your job and see how it works out for you...

Pete The Fisherman wrote:

He still deserves an answer as to what his punishment is. Imagine being sent home from work for failing a drug test and 9 months later...

He still deserves an answer as to what his punishment is. Imagine being sent home from work for failing a drug test and 9 months later still not knowing what they planned to do to you.

BernieMadof wrote:

You lose your job? Just like he lost his job. He got caught, don't like it? Don't fail drug test it is that simple.