What happened to US MX

12/16/2018 4:24pm
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Just rewatcig the mxdn 2018. Tomac can't go pass the World mx2 champ. And he was lucky that Searles bike give up. Seriously something have to...
Just rewatcig the mxdn 2018. Tomac can't go pass the World mx2 champ. And he was lucky that Searles bike give up. Seriously something have to change or thiis is going to this like I'm predicted. There will be 2 series in the World SX and MX
I've been trapped inside the house with a cold for three days, so, coincidentally, I went back and rewatched the MXoN as well. Seriously, if you combine both days -- three hours worth of racing -- how much on-screen time did Tomac actually get? Five minutes? And almost all of that was when he couldn't find a way past Tommy Searle. Twice!

The director doesn't cut to you much when you're not in contention.

But don't mind all the vitriol, keinz. This is how sore losers conduct themselves: with soreness. It's not as if your thread said anything improper. (And the title was clear enough; no one had to click on it to begin with.) The problem was that they don't like your pointing out that Herlings/Prado/Coldenhoff kicked the fuck out of Team Supercross on their own track and made it look easy. Or that France won again with a team that wasn't even as strong as it could have been.

Or maybe it never actually happened. Ironman '17 never happened, ya know.

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12/16/2018 6:57pm
keinz wrote:
Just rewatcig the mxdn 2018. Tomac can't go pass the World mx2 champ. And he was lucky that Searles bike give up. Seriously something have to...
Just rewatcig the mxdn 2018. Tomac can't go pass the World mx2 champ. And he was lucky that Searles bike give up. Seriously something have to change or thiis is going to this like I'm predicted. There will be 2 series in the World SX and MX
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12/16/2018 11:40pm
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Americans have always had humility when they dominated for long years. It is not really the case of Europeans fans and riders. 4 stroke must surely...
Americans have always had humility when they dominated for long years. It is not really the case of Europeans fans and riders. 4 stroke must surely have leveled the level a bit.
Let's be honest, I don't think us Americans have ever been humble about anything.
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Let's be honest, I don't think us Americans have ever been humble about anything.
I have never heard an US rider say that he had smashed the Europeans or that they are better. JMC and RC, both gods have always been respectful. In my opinion, that this is not the case for the new generation of European riders (Not all of them obviously).

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I have never heard an US rider say that he had smashed the Europeans or that they are better. JMC and RC, both gods have always...
I have never heard an US rider say that he had smashed the Europeans or that they are better. JMC and RC, both gods have always been respectful. In my opinion, that this is not the case for the new generation of European riders (Not all of them obviously).

I have also never heard so much hate towards a rider in Herlings position, it goes both ways.
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12/17/2018 2:09am
1 single euro rider comes up to be fast as hell and beats everyone in the world.

“oH mY gOd WhY iS tHe UsA sO bAd At MoToCrOsS? wHaT hApPeNeD”
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12/17/2018 3:41am
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What happened to us mx?

Apparantly the same thing that happened to Estonian Internet and ppv.
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12/17/2018 4:17am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2018 4:24am
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You want proof? You can't handle the proof...of whatever it is you're drinking today. Seriously man, we've all read about your personal tragedies and our hearts...
You want proof? You can't handle the proof...of whatever it is you're drinking today.

Seriously man, we've all read about your personal tragedies and our hearts go out to you, but for God's sake man, pull your st together.
It's hard to get out of the cycle after all thiat shit. Sry about my odd posts. I have my low days time at time,, and now it's all over again. I hope I did't insutlt anybody. I'm the regular MX/SX fan
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12/17/2018 7:29am
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but:

What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too.

What happened to Italian MX? Prado beat Cairoli and Lupino too.

What happened to German MX? Prado beat Roczen and Nagl too.

What happened to British MX? Prado beat Searle and Anstie too.

Estonia? Sweden? Switzerland? New Zealand?

And what happened to Spanish MX? Prado beat his big-bike teammates too... And then Lawrence beat Prado, soooo...

Jorge Prado is an amazing young athlete, and he beat almost all of the big bikes, almost as RV did in '07, Cairoli and RV in '06, Lamson in '96, etc. But by using your logic that Tomac couldn't pass Prado so we need to do away with American motocross and just one MX series is a little over the top. Because by that logic, only the Dutch aren't broken, even though they have never won the MXON (though they are the big favorite for 2019), because Prado didn't beat Coldenhoff and Herlings.

Team USA had high hopes and terrible execution, but we'll be back. We aren't going to quit or fold or anything. And I can't wait to see more of Jorge Prado as well as Hunter Lawrence, they are both very impressive.

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12/17/2018 7:46am
DC wrote:
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but: What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too. What happened to Italian MX...
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but:

What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too.

What happened to Italian MX? Prado beat Cairoli and Lupino too.

What happened to German MX? Prado beat Roczen and Nagl too.

What happened to British MX? Prado beat Searle and Anstie too.

Estonia? Sweden? Switzerland? New Zealand?

And what happened to Spanish MX? Prado beat his big-bike teammates too... And then Lawrence beat Prado, soooo...

Jorge Prado is an amazing young athlete, and he beat almost all of the big bikes, almost as RV did in '07, Cairoli and RV in '06, Lamson in '96, etc. But by using your logic that Tomac couldn't pass Prado so we need to do away with American motocross and just one MX series is a little over the top. Because by that logic, only the Dutch aren't broken, even though they have never won the MXON (though they are the big favorite for 2019), because Prado didn't beat Coldenhoff and Herlings.

Team USA had high hopes and terrible execution, but we'll be back. We aren't going to quit or fold or anything. And I can't wait to see more of Jorge Prado as well as Hunter Lawrence, they are both very impressive.

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Well said Davey.
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12/17/2018 7:58am
JustMX wrote:
What happened to us mx?

Apparantly the same thing that happened to Estonian Internet and ppv.
Yet ..... Estonia was racing the MXoN and selling T Shirts to help pay for it.


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12/17/2018 8:18am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2018 8:18am
Man do I wish I had bought one of those Estonian shirts! Those are very cool...

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12/17/2018 8:18am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2018 8:20am
Hey, for all those putting shite on places like Estonia for their Internet / I Tech - they, and a few other former Eastern Bloc countries, like Latvia, are more 'wired' and E Tech forward than most of us 'Rich, Western Countries'.

Cripes, here in OZ, we've got one of the worst rated Internet Systems in the World, and, with our full conversion to our fabled 'NBN, (still years away from completion) - which is a pathetic system, even now. We've hamstrung our Economy / Industries / Education / Science and just the average Joe / Joettes 'connectivity', to a complete F up, that will leave us behind most 'Third World Countries'. Nice one, (our) brain dead, corrupt / lie through their teeth to get the vote Politicians, and their idiot voters - of all sides.
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12/17/2018 9:00am
No worries, JS7, RC and RV2 coming to the rescue at Assen.
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12/17/2018 9:06am
kb228 wrote:
1 single euro rider comes up to be fast as hell and beats everyone in the world. “oH mY gOd WhY iS tHe UsA sO bAd...
1 single euro rider comes up to be fast as hell and beats everyone in the world.

“oH mY gOd WhY iS tHe UsA sO bAd At MoToCrOsS? wHaT hApPeNeD”
Sorry. Coldenhoff is just that good.
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12/17/2018 9:23am
DC wrote:
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but: What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too. What happened to Italian MX...
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but:

What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too.

What happened to Italian MX? Prado beat Cairoli and Lupino too.

What happened to German MX? Prado beat Roczen and Nagl too.

What happened to British MX? Prado beat Searle and Anstie too.

Estonia? Sweden? Switzerland? New Zealand?

And what happened to Spanish MX? Prado beat his big-bike teammates too... And then Lawrence beat Prado, soooo...

Jorge Prado is an amazing young athlete, and he beat almost all of the big bikes, almost as RV did in '07, Cairoli and RV in '06, Lamson in '96, etc. But by using your logic that Tomac couldn't pass Prado so we need to do away with American motocross and just one MX series is a little over the top. Because by that logic, only the Dutch aren't broken, even though they have never won the MXON (though they are the big favorite for 2019), because Prado didn't beat Coldenhoff and Herlings.

Team USA had high hopes and terrible execution, but we'll be back. We aren't going to quit or fold or anything. And I can't wait to see more of Jorge Prado as well as Hunter Lawrence, they are both very impressive.

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Davey,

You say ONE DAMN THING about Portuguese MX & I'm telling your mom about that time we drank her beer.

I'm not messin' around here!

Signed,

Just another key-board warrior.
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12/17/2018 10:09am
Nuffsaid wrote:
No worries, JS7, RC and RV2 coming to the rescue at Assen.
RV already won the pitbike of nations race for us. What more do you want?
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12/17/2018 10:17am
DC wrote:
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but: What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too. What happened to Italian MX...
Keinz, humor me here, as a fellow MX/SX fan, but:

What happened to Belgian MX? Prado beat DeSalle and Horebeek too.

What happened to Italian MX? Prado beat Cairoli and Lupino too.

What happened to German MX? Prado beat Roczen and Nagl too.

What happened to British MX? Prado beat Searle and Anstie too.

Estonia? Sweden? Switzerland? New Zealand?

And what happened to Spanish MX? Prado beat his big-bike teammates too... And then Lawrence beat Prado, soooo...

Jorge Prado is an amazing young athlete, and he beat almost all of the big bikes, almost as RV did in '07, Cairoli and RV in '06, Lamson in '96, etc. But by using your logic that Tomac couldn't pass Prado so we need to do away with American motocross and just one MX series is a little over the top. Because by that logic, only the Dutch aren't broken, even though they have never won the MXON (though they are the big favorite for 2019), because Prado didn't beat Coldenhoff and Herlings.

Team USA had high hopes and terrible execution, but we'll be back. We aren't going to quit or fold or anything. And I can't wait to see more of Jorge Prado as well as Hunter Lawrence, they are both very impressive.

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Well said Davey ! People seems to forget how odd the conditions of this MXON were and how it doesn't reflect the reality at all !

For example, do you really think Coldenhoff could destroy the field here and get a 450 Outdoor title ? Give me a break please. We all know how an average rider can outperform during an MXON but it doesn't mean he can do that all year long.

I'm sure USA will come back with a bang in the next few years so please Davey keep the MX series strong with great tracks and nice prep.

Also Davey, is it really impossible to move the end of the Nationals at the begining of September and negociate an MXON in the middle of September ? Because i strongly believe the month off between the end of the Nationals and the MXON is what hurts the USA the most !

Thx
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12/17/2018 10:52am
Baton Rouge, I don't think we can get all of the U.S.-based teams to agree to stay another couple weeks on the road to help three guys that are on the team stay in race-trim, but I do know the MXON wants to get more in the middle of September for weather considerations -- the last two were terrible mudders (but still great races).

And again, Prado had a great day, Coldenhoff even better... Our guys just had their worst days at the worst time of all, as far as us bench-racers go, and we're still getting roosted over it here.

Hard to believe it was only a year earlier that we won 3 out of 4 motos at the MXGP of the USA at WW Ranch...

Please hurry, Anaheim SX.

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12/17/2018 11:10am
What happened? US still has great riders, and on a given day could sweep the MXDN. But it has evened out a bit, especially for MX, and as we’ve seen, the US can get their butts handed to them. It’s one race a year, next year is a new year. Oh, and that’s Assesn, so maybe two years from now will be a new year!

I hope Tomac built a gnarly sand track in CO and is riding that once a week for the next year.
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12/17/2018 11:14am
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Someone hitting the Bottle early today ? Yes we need to put more Focus on MX in the USA But that was also the perfect storm...
Someone hitting the Bottle early today ?
Yes we need to put more Focus on MX in the USA
But that was also the perfect storm of a bad day for team USA .IMO we will podium next year in the sand!
Yeah for sure, next year is the year!
Go Team USA, go, go!!
Red Bud this year was a sabotage from Mr Ritchie.
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12/17/2018 11:16am
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If only you could inject a little JS7 into this topic, it would be the perfect thread.Blink
A pleasure to help with this!
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12/17/2018 11:19am
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One word “Supercross”
One word ¨Excuses¨
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12/17/2018 11:32am
I heard from a very good source JS7 is lining up at Daytona. To get race ready for Assen.

Stamp it!!!!
Yes, but as a new team manager and this is the message he has given to Team USA riders for Assen

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12/17/2018 11:39am
WCRider wrote:
I have never heard an US rider say that he had smashed the Europeans or that they are better. JMC and RC, both gods have always...
I have never heard an US rider say that he had smashed the Europeans or that they are better. JMC and RC, both gods have always been respectful. In my opinion, that this is not the case for the new generation of European riders (Not all of them obviously).

As it is clear, that the Belgians have not dominated for a long time either in Europe, or MXGP or USA, or MXDN and the fans are also burned. And they no have winning options for almost anything, at least the USA still has winning options, the Belgians nothing.
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12/17/2018 11:44am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2018 11:44am
kb228 wrote:
1 single euro rider comes up to be fast as hell and beats everyone in the world. “oH mY gOd WhY iS tHe UsA sO bAd...
1 single euro rider comes up to be fast as hell and beats everyone in the world.

“oH mY gOd WhY iS tHe UsA sO bAd At MoToCrOsS? wHaT hApPeNeD”
MAYDEY!!! MAYDEY!!!
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What happened? US still has great riders, and on a given day could sweep the MXDN. But it has evened out a bit, especially for MX...
What happened? US still has great riders, and on a given day could sweep the MXDN. But it has evened out a bit, especially for MX, and as we’ve seen, the US can get their butts handed to them. It’s one race a year, next year is a new year. Oh, and that’s Assesn, so maybe two years from now will be a new year!

I hope Tomac built a gnarly sand track in CO and is riding that once a week for the next year.
I do not think Tomac need that track, he ride very well in the sand of Southwick, the problem in Assen is not this, the problem is what in Assen are the majority of MXGP guys, it is better made what Decoster says, go to Europe some weeks before the race and training in sand, and if it is possible with the MXGP guys.
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12/17/2018 12:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2018 12:29pm
The GP riders continue to improve and we clearly do not have a gap in skill on them if there ever was one. They can race in any condition and don't seem rattled by the big stage. Our guys (IMO) are every bit as good (well, Herlings is on his own level) but they shit the bed. When your opposition is at a minimum equal to you in skill and speed and you shit the bed it is what it is. It's not USA vs the world anymore and hasn't been for years. It's France vs the world until someone can take it from them. Stop with the excuses. We got beat.
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12/17/2018 12:42pm
Well said Davey ! People seems to forget how odd the conditions of this MXON were and how it doesn't reflect the reality at all...
Well said Davey ! People seems to forget how odd the conditions of this MXON were and how it doesn't reflect the reality at all !

For example, do you really think Coldenhoff could destroy the field here and get a 450 Outdoor title ? Give me a break please. We all know how an average rider can outperform during an MXON but it doesn't mean he can do that all year long.

I'm sure USA will come back with a bang in the next few years so please Davey keep the MX series strong with great tracks and nice prep.

Also Davey, is it really impossible to move the end of the Nationals at the begining of September and negociate an MXON in the middle of September ? Because i strongly believe the month off between the end of the Nationals and the MXON is what hurts the USA the most !

Thx
"I strongly believe the month off between the end of the Nationals and the MXON is what hurts the USA the most !"

Simple fix. The MXoN team should have traveled to Assen in mid-September. A weekend in that sand and against that competition would've prepared them as nothing else could. Go the hell over there and race in tough conditions. (Yes, Herlings and Prado would have trounced them in Assen too, but I guarantee you Team Supercross would have been better prepared for the MXoN.)

But they didn't do that. Because you and I and everyone else just knew they were going to win easily.


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12/17/2018 1:29pm
I've never liked the formula of picking the team based on points from the Nationals. It seems there are guys that want to go but aren't picked for various reasons.

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