Prices to ride at local tracks.

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6/3/2018 8:58pm
logan_140 wrote:
Ok so the past couple times i have been riding around twice in 3 weeks, I️ have pulled up and the track be completely un-prepped. now...
Ok so the past couple times i have been riding around twice in 3 weeks, I️ have pulled up and the track be completely un-prepped. now mind you I’m paying $30 to ride, and they’re advertising as “track ready to rip” spyder Mx 3 weeks ago and central Florida Mx today. So at central Florida Mx apparently Saturday is “prep day” so shouldn’t they cut $10 off since they’re not even getting on a tractor to do anything, nor watering? Sorry for the rant, just annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that.
Just ride it. Do you think the track owner is making money? Probably not so why are you complaining about spending the day riding for 30$
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6/3/2018 9:33pm Edited Date/Time 6/3/2018 9:37pm
$30 is CHEAP. I went to njmp FOD for the first time last month for a day trip. Cost me $60 to ride and another $25 in gas and $20 in tolls (95 sucks with a trailer). With food and Gatorade it’s a $120 trip to ride Millville for Baltimore area guys. (This was a day pass not annual pass which I will purchase next time)
Edit: they LET me ride tracks and “prepped”trails since it was my first time. The website lists a tracks and trails pack as an additional $20. I literally lifted three small tree off the path and had to create my own lines due to over growth for the trails.
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6/3/2018 11:10pm Edited Date/Time 6/3/2018 11:12pm
Around here it's $20. The only thing I expect is for the gate to be open. No prep, water, or flaggers, and that's the way I like it.
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Wanted to add... if the place doesnt water, thats a huge safey issue. One track here doesnt water or prep. As soon as 1 quad or 3 bikes get on it, you cant see at all from the dust. A week without rain will make the track go from dirt to sand.

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Not on the topic, as I understand why the OP complains, but a way to make the track slower and so safer is to not prep them.

You do not go wide open on a mine field. It doesn't look safer but actually it is, since a crash in 3rd gear makes less damage than in 4th gear.

4 stroke takes 99% of the blame regarding serious injuries but track prep has its fair share too in my opinion.
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6/4/2018 4:33am
I hate coming to a fully prepped tracked. Gives me no challenge or enjoyment. Some prefer flat track, some prefer motocross.

So if they dont prepp it, they lose riders and need to take out a higher cost.

Only thing as several has mentioned, water is key. And if it is a softer track, maybe if they could have fixed some really bad jump faces.
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6/4/2018 5:28am
Well comparing moto to golf or snowboarding is way off. And yes $30 plus a $10 gate fee is way out of line. I was a promoter for a few years(when fuel was over $5) I know how things operate and the cost of running a track. I still don’t see where prep and fuel would cost that much to get an extra $10 out of everyone, or even $30 for a prepped practice. Golf you are playing a game for 4 hours consistently, snowboarding the same. You can’t just go out and ride whenever you want at these open practices. To the guys saying $50, $100 blah blah it will kill any fun you have left of the sport, and also you will be the only ones at the track. Golf clubs, snow boards, etc aren’t even close to the same prices as a bike, gear, truck to get to the track........we are dirt bike riders not everyone is shitting out money riding the +50 class with six figure jobs. Remember when it was a kids sport? Now it seems to turn into a rich vet rider or rich dad buying everything for his son/daughter sport. $20/25 prepped practice and watch the people start showing back up to these local tracks again. It’s spotty in the Midwest of where everyone is riding but the dead zones out weigh the good ones
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Not on the topic, as I understand why the OP complains, but a way to make the track slower and so safer is to not prep...
Not on the topic, as I understand why the OP complains, but a way to make the track slower and so safer is to not prep them.

You do not go wide open on a mine field. It doesn't look safer but actually it is, since a crash in 3rd gear makes less damage than in 4th gear.

4 stroke takes 99% of the blame regarding serious injuries but track prep has its fair share too in my opinion.
EDIT: BTW, most of the time 10€ ($12) in France (but tracks are prepped only once, to 4-6 times a year depending on the owner, the track's popularity, etc). I think it is more or less the same all over europe.
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6/4/2018 6:09am
most places in the northeast are 30 and sometimes 35 on the weekends.
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logan_140 wrote:
Ok so the past couple times i have been riding around twice in 3 weeks, I️ have pulled up and the track be completely un-prepped. now...
Ok so the past couple times i have been riding around twice in 3 weeks, I️ have pulled up and the track be completely un-prepped. now mind you I’m paying $30 to ride, and they’re advertising as “track ready to rip” spyder Mx 3 weeks ago and central Florida Mx today. So at central Florida Mx apparently Saturday is “prep day” so shouldn’t they cut $10 off since they’re not even getting on a tractor to do anything, nor watering? Sorry for the rant, just annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that.
"....annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that."

Well that's some interesting math. So paying a million $ for the land, 1/4 mil for tractors and implements, paying for building the track (which is an enormous task), ensuring a water source, building bathrooms and facilities, paying for insurance and lawyers, marketing and promotion, putting up with everybody's crap, and spending almost every day keeping the thing going is......

Half.

And prepping it the day that logan_140 goes is the other half. Rrrrriiiiiggghhhhhttttt.

Be grateful somebody has enough love for the sport to even bother having a track. There is 0 money in that game. Nobody is ripping you off bro.
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6/4/2018 6:15am
When I started riding in 2003 every track I rode charged $10, life was good.

Right now I pay $20 - $30 for a prepped track.
6/4/2018 6:18am
We pay like £30-35 so about $45 for most tracks, but the best ones are pretty good at grading them to be honest.
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6/4/2018 6:56am
I love Vital logic, evidently it’s totally fine to advertise a prepped track and charge accordingly, but if they don’t actually prep that’s fine because they don’t make a ton of money. And we also hate prepped tracks because it’s way more fun to beat the hell out your bike on a dusty ass square edge filled track instead of a watered track with traction.

Give me a damn break, I know everyone likes to be a hero on the internet but this is just ridiculous. OP is totally right to be pissed, I would be to. When the local tracks around here have a water truck break down they take $5-$10 off the entry price, as they should because the track sucks. If you don’t provide what’s advertised then that’s wrong, period, end of story.
6/4/2018 7:18am
kage173 wrote:
"....annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that." Well that's some interesting math. So paying a million $ for the...
"....annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that."

Well that's some interesting math. So paying a million $ for the land, 1/4 mil for tractors and implements, paying for building the track (which is an enormous task), ensuring a water source, building bathrooms and facilities, paying for insurance and lawyers, marketing and promotion, putting up with everybody's crap, and spending almost every day keeping the thing going is......

Half.

And prepping it the day that logan_140 goes is the other half. Rrrrriiiiiggghhhhhttttt.

Be grateful somebody has enough love for the sport to even bother having a track. There is 0 money in that game. Nobody is ripping you off bro.
If there was zero money in owning a motocross track then there wouldn't be any tracks. None of this makes sense at all. We as riders don't owe them anything if they falsely advertise and put out a shitty product.


If you want to complain about the things that go into running a track, then don't run a track. It's that simple.
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Me and my family belong to a club track. $250 per year gets you, your spouse, and kids under 18 the gate key, come and go whenever you want. Super nice for a busy family to just go whenever it works out. Qualified members will hop on a tractor or water truck and prep the track if they want it nice for themselves or if there is a lot of people out there that day. Lots of members contribute on work days with mowing, equip/building repairs, etc. Its a really cool laid back bunch of guys, good family enviroment. 4 mx races a year, 2 hare scrambles and a members only mx race/fun day with barrel races, high jump, holeshot challenge type games. We are very lucky to have something so cool close to us. Weve talked about moving away but that track is one thing that kinda keeps us here. Sandusky valley riders is our club.
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6/4/2018 7:51am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2018 7:53am
Miles worth of trails along the river, and its got a pee wee track thats great for junior. Haha
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6/4/2018 7:58am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2026 6:11pm
I totally feel for you dude. I'm actually sick of going to Pala and paying $30 since their watering system has "been down" for over a month. Not that their watering is good anyway. 200 people riding around in a dust bowl.
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kage173 wrote:
"....annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that." Well that's some interesting math. So paying a million $ for the...
"....annoying to pay a price of full prep, and only get half of that."

Well that's some interesting math. So paying a million $ for the land, 1/4 mil for tractors and implements, paying for building the track (which is an enormous task), ensuring a water source, building bathrooms and facilities, paying for insurance and lawyers, marketing and promotion, putting up with everybody's crap, and spending almost every day keeping the thing going is......

Half.

And prepping it the day that logan_140 goes is the other half. Rrrrriiiiiggghhhhhttttt.

Be grateful somebody has enough love for the sport to even bother having a track. There is 0 money in that game. Nobody is ripping you off bro.
If there was zero money in owning a motocross track then there wouldn't be any tracks. None of this makes sense at all. We as riders...
If there was zero money in owning a motocross track then there wouldn't be any tracks. None of this makes sense at all. We as riders don't owe them anything if they falsely advertise and put out a shitty product.


If you want to complain about the things that go into running a track, then don't run a track. It's that simple.
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing it for the love of the sport, not because they are making money.

There are maybe a handful of regional tracks that make enough profit for it to be a legitimate business. Most tracks are run by old guys who got too old to compete, moto-parents trying to make Johnny's dream come true, or former pros that want to stay connected to the sport.

You get outside of California and it's a whole different world.
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6/4/2018 9:17am
25-30$ .....a bargain, wether it's prepped or not....I actually prefer to ride a rougher track, as long as jump faces are safe. I agree that the tracks should update the current conditions for the day...But I would not expect any track owner to lower their price......While in Fla this winter, I rode at Orlando MX .....the track owner stated on f/book the track was not prepped & not watered....lowered the price to 10.00$.... What a great idea.... Be honest & upfront about the track and reduce the price! I laugh when I think about all the shitty little practice tracks we rode at years ago, when there was not really any open practices at real tracks. 1 lined, beat up, dusty whooped out punishment. We would wait for the rain or ride in dust bowls. We used to spend hours weed wacking, draining large puddles, building lame ass jumps with shovels.....shit....now that I think about it.....those days sucked!
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6/4/2018 9:26am
Would love to see what some of these people would have thought about going to Glassport, PA in the late 80's.

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6/4/2018 9:44am
prepped tracks get a little over board. If you dont have aenough people show up the track only gets one rut and the rest of the track is just chunks of dirt
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No prep no pay.
I don't care about being a better rider by riding a rougher track, I a am not going pro. I just want to have fun. And a fully prepped track is a hell of a lot more fun that a non-prepped track

I've forked over money at the gate to show up to a track that is in shit condition and not ripped at all. I hardly go back to this track now and when I do, I insist that I check out the track first and if it's prepped I'll come back to the gate to pay and ride. I've gotten some real nasty looks from the gate people... haha

If I want to ride in terrible conditions I can just go hit up the desert tracks or single track near my house

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6/4/2018 9:51am
Most of the Portland area tracks decided to raise their prices this year and even add an admission price for practice. Not a good move in my opinion. It's now $40 or so to practice per day. Higher prices mean lower participation in general and that is certainly true for a sport like moto that is dependent on disposable income.
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6/4/2018 9:52am
"Ready to Rip" has many different meanings apparently.
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I wouldn’t be happy if I showed up expecting a prepped track and found out it wasn’t despite paying full price. I have a private track and know how much damn work it is to simply prep a track so you won’t hear me complaining about the cost but if the track owner doesn’t mention the track won’t be prepped at all then I think the consumer has a right to be upset.
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Thing is, the OP said the track was advertised as Ready to Rip, not necessarily prepped. BUT, in most people's minds that would mean prepped. Right? I don't care as long as I am riding, but if it was advertised as prepped and it isn't, then I would be pretty annoyed. Nothing to do with gate cost either.
6/4/2018 10:36am
kage173 wrote:
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing...
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing it for the love of the sport, not because they are making money.

There are maybe a handful of regional tracks that make enough profit for it to be a legitimate business. Most tracks are run by old guys who got too old to compete, moto-parents trying to make Johnny's dream come true, or former pros that want to stay connected to the sport.

You get outside of California and it's a whole different world.
Nah, sorry man, the only ignorant one in this conversation is the one who believes most mx track owners run businesses out of the goodness of their hearts instead of the benefit of their wallets lol
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Tracks here are $30-40+ (gate fee + rider fee, some just rider fee) and for that I expect a prepped (disced/tilled, jump faces & landings fresh, good dirt not full of rocks and crap), watered track when I arrive. I expect prep during the day (water and repairs if/as needed) as well. I also want proper splits to make numbers on the track reasonable and separate skill levels/bike sizes for safety. I expect flaggers plus a head flagger who will flag off people obviously riding in the wrong class.

As some other guys said, I'll never be a Pro so riding beat up crap isn't fun, nor is it safe. I am on my second personal track, and I have some idea how much work and $$$ it takes to prep a track properly. Mike Sexton and Zeb Armstrong in NorCal are two of the best at it from what I've seen. as is Corky at the Oatfield (or wherever he goes). Even those guys have off days when prep isn't great. Usually a water issue when that happens.

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kage173 wrote:
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing...
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing it for the love of the sport, not because they are making money.

There are maybe a handful of regional tracks that make enough profit for it to be a legitimate business. Most tracks are run by old guys who got too old to compete, moto-parents trying to make Johnny's dream come true, or former pros that want to stay connected to the sport.

You get outside of California and it's a whole different world.
Nah, sorry man, the only ignorant one in this conversation is the one who believes most mx track owners run businesses out of the goodness of...
Nah, sorry man, the only ignorant one in this conversation is the one who believes most mx track owners run businesses out of the goodness of their hearts instead of the benefit of their wallets lol
For real.. how do you not make money? You get 60 riders in 1 day you made $1200 @ $20/rider. Pay 4 flaggers $50 for the 5 hours youre open and youre left with $1000. gas for a water truck and a tractor isnt going to eat that $1000 in 1 day. Youre literally driving a mile and a half around the track. Thats probably not even $20 worth of diesel. Property taxes prob arent more than $5000 per year. Open 3 days a week and youre golden.

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6/4/2018 11:43am
kage173 wrote:
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing...
Sorry, but you are just ignorant of the facts and the economics of this sport. As I said, the vast majority of track owners are doing it for the love of the sport, not because they are making money.

There are maybe a handful of regional tracks that make enough profit for it to be a legitimate business. Most tracks are run by old guys who got too old to compete, moto-parents trying to make Johnny's dream come true, or former pros that want to stay connected to the sport.

You get outside of California and it's a whole different world.
Nah, sorry man, the only ignorant one in this conversation is the one who believes most mx track owners run businesses out of the goodness of...
Nah, sorry man, the only ignorant one in this conversation is the one who believes most mx track owners run businesses out of the goodness of their hearts instead of the benefit of their wallets lol
kb228 wrote:
For real.. how do you not make money? You get 60 riders in 1 day you made $1200 @ $20/rider. Pay 4 flaggers $50 for the...
For real.. how do you not make money? You get 60 riders in 1 day you made $1200 @ $20/rider. Pay 4 flaggers $50 for the 5 hours youre open and youre left with $1000. gas for a water truck and a tractor isnt going to eat that $1000 in 1 day. Youre literally driving a mile and a half around the track. Thats probably not even $20 worth of diesel. Property taxes prob arent more than $5000 per year. Open 3 days a week and youre golden.

How about insurance? How much did the equipment cost you to purchase/rent? How much are repairs on the machinery? Is your land paid for?

Let's see after all those expenses are added up, if you are doing all that work yourself and not paying someone else, you end making about $5 an hour.

You have no idea dude.

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