Full Tilt TM Racing Two Stroke Build(s) Update: Dirt Magazine "Two Stroke Tuesday"

Derek Harris 5/24/2018 12:38pm
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I use to work at CW. We did tons of 2T cranks. Stroker cranks, Lighten cranks, heavy cranks, knife edged ect ect. Once you ride a...
I use to work at CW. We did tons of 2T cranks. Stroker cranks, Lighten cranks, heavy cranks, knife edged ect ect. Once you ride a bike with a perfectly balanced crank you will never ride one with out. Also it helps with wear on the engine.

You need to send the crank rod piston and rings that are going in the bike.
They are a great group of people and the owner Phil is a pretty smart guy. He knows a shit ton more then just cranks.
Mr. Robinson wrote:
I agree 100%. A perfectly balanced crank is a magical thing and the CW crew are magicians.
H4L wrote:
Thanks guys. I would think a company like CW's that does work for the highest level of Pro riders know what they are doing..
Of course they do.

Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's on you.

This industry is FULL of products and services that provide no tangible improvement....americans are by far the WORST informed consumer on the global market.

Do you REALLY THINK ktm installed a counterbalancer on their 250 and 300 for no reason?
A complete case redesign, additional tooling, engineering, production process, and ADDITIONAL parts to the engine that cost them MONEY to implement....

It's VERY simple. The heavier the piston weight gets - on a single cylinder engine with no counter balancer - the WORSE the vibration gets. This is EASILY seen from a 65 on up to a 500....it gets worse with size.

If you have ANY rebuttal - or contrary information - I'm totally open to hearing it.
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Derek Harris wrote:
Of course they do. Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's...
Of course they do.

Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's on you.

This industry is FULL of products and services that provide no tangible improvement....americans are by far the WORST informed consumer on the global market.

Do you REALLY THINK ktm installed a counterbalancer on their 250 and 300 for no reason?
A complete case redesign, additional tooling, engineering, production process, and ADDITIONAL parts to the engine that cost them MONEY to implement....

It's VERY simple. The heavier the piston weight gets - on a single cylinder engine with no counter balancer - the WORSE the vibration gets. This is EASILY seen from a 65 on up to a 500....it gets worse with size.

If you have ANY rebuttal - or contrary information - I'm totally open to hearing it.
Out of respect for Black Diamond so this thread doesn't get mucked up I'm going to restrain myself from stooping to your level.

Just some friendly advice you can take it or leave I could care less. Try not come across as being so arrogant & maybe people will take you a little more serious. The question was directed at him NOT you...
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Mr. Robinson wrote:
I agree 100%. A perfectly balanced crank is a magical thing and the CW crew are magicians.
H4L wrote:
Thanks guys. I would think a company like CW's that does work for the highest level of Pro riders know what they are doing..
Derek Harris wrote:
Of course they do. Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's...
Of course they do.

Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's on you.

This industry is FULL of products and services that provide no tangible improvement....americans are by far the WORST informed consumer on the global market.

Do you REALLY THINK ktm installed a counterbalancer on their 250 and 300 for no reason?
A complete case redesign, additional tooling, engineering, production process, and ADDITIONAL parts to the engine that cost them MONEY to implement....

It's VERY simple. The heavier the piston weight gets - on a single cylinder engine with no counter balancer - the WORSE the vibration gets. This is EASILY seen from a 65 on up to a 500....it gets worse with size.

If you have ANY rebuttal - or contrary information - I'm totally open to hearing it.
I truly hope your having a bad day. I along with others, have a tremendous amount of respect for you and your business. I look forward to your input on anything 2cycle as well as blackdiamonds builds. Take a step back and think about how you come across.
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Mr. Robinson wrote:
I agree 100%. A perfectly balanced crank is a magical thing and the CW crew are magicians.
H4L wrote:
Thanks guys. I would think a company like CW's that does work for the highest level of Pro riders know what they are doing..
Derek Harris wrote:
Of course they do. Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's...
Of course they do.

Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's on you.

This industry is FULL of products and services that provide no tangible improvement....americans are by far the WORST informed consumer on the global market.

Do you REALLY THINK ktm installed a counterbalancer on their 250 and 300 for no reason?
A complete case redesign, additional tooling, engineering, production process, and ADDITIONAL parts to the engine that cost them MONEY to implement....

It's VERY simple. The heavier the piston weight gets - on a single cylinder engine with no counter balancer - the WORSE the vibration gets. This is EASILY seen from a 65 on up to a 500....it gets worse with size.

If you have ANY rebuttal - or contrary information - I'm totally open to hearing it.
Keep on Derek. It's just the facts and I like them
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JMX82 5/24/2018 9:33pm
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Keep on Derek. It's just the facts and I like them
+1

There is so much miss information in the internet nowadays
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+1

There is so much miss information in the internet nowadays
Agree. That's why you can't take what he is saying as good information...
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JMX82 5/25/2018 11:19am
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I was meaning that Derek Harris is right about crank balancing. You can't balance single cylinder engine with out counterbalancer.
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SmokinJoe439 5/25/2018 11:46am
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Keep your arguments to yourselves about cranks or start another topic this is a build thread not a debate thread.
FactoryFhil 5/25/2018 1:08pm
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Zesiger 112 wrote:
I have a spare brake caliper coming thats gonna sit for awhile. I'm considering doing this to it. However I ride mostly sand and I'm worried...
I have a spare brake caliper coming thats gonna sit for awhile. I'm considering doing this to it. However I ride mostly sand and I'm worried about this being a way for sand to eat at the pads. What are your thoughts?
I'm going to go back and check out the CR build.
What is your ultimate brake mods? Material removal, venting, piston venting, dlc titanium pins, what else? I'm a machinist so I can do some of this myself.
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I am planning on doing most of the things you mentioned. I think you could have a point though in regards to the sand tracks. You...
I am planning on doing most of the things you mentioned. I think you could have a point though in regards to the sand tracks. You could always put a piece of tape over the vent if it was an issue on sand tracks?

You would have to do some testing to know for sure.
Over thinking this whole brake venting mod, stuff is going to get in there no matter what you do... I have 500 plus hours on stock Nisin calipers, desert, sand, mud, rock gardens, you name it Ive ridden it. Ive have NO ISSUES. You should be using front brake more than a rear any way! No brakes is what it takes. Just use the special cerakote to dissipate the heat. AND GO RIDE.
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blackdiamond 5/25/2018 2:09pm
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Zesiger 112 wrote:
I have a spare brake caliper coming thats gonna sit for awhile. I'm considering doing this to it. However I ride mostly sand and I'm worried...
I have a spare brake caliper coming thats gonna sit for awhile. I'm considering doing this to it. However I ride mostly sand and I'm worried about this being a way for sand to eat at the pads. What are your thoughts?
I'm going to go back and check out the CR build.
What is your ultimate brake mods? Material removal, venting, piston venting, dlc titanium pins, what else? I'm a machinist so I can do some of this myself.
blackdiamond wrote:
I am planning on doing most of the things you mentioned. I think you could have a point though in regards to the sand tracks. You...
I am planning on doing most of the things you mentioned. I think you could have a point though in regards to the sand tracks. You could always put a piece of tape over the vent if it was an issue on sand tracks?

You would have to do some testing to know for sure.
FactoryFhil wrote:
Over thinking this whole brake venting mod, stuff is going to get in there no matter what you do... I have 500 plus hours on stock...
Over thinking this whole brake venting mod, stuff is going to get in there no matter what you do... I have 500 plus hours on stock Nisin calipers, desert, sand, mud, rock gardens, you name it Ive ridden it. Ive have NO ISSUES. You should be using front brake more than a rear any way! No brakes is what it takes. Just use the special cerakote to dissipate the heat. AND GO RIDE.
So venting the caliper and using a vented piston is a complete waste of time but somehow changing the color of the caliper will fix everything?

Ok, got it.
Derek Harris 5/25/2018 3:06pm
5/25/2018 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2018 3:34pm
H4L wrote:
Thanks guys. I would think a company like CW's that does work for the highest level of Pro riders know what they are doing..
Derek Harris wrote:
Of course they do. Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's...
Of course they do.

Doesn't make the comments regarding crank balancing accurate. If you are too ignorant to read the data I have posted - that's on you.

This industry is FULL of products and services that provide no tangible improvement....americans are by far the WORST informed consumer on the global market.

Do you REALLY THINK ktm installed a counterbalancer on their 250 and 300 for no reason?
A complete case redesign, additional tooling, engineering, production process, and ADDITIONAL parts to the engine that cost them MONEY to implement....

It's VERY simple. The heavier the piston weight gets - on a single cylinder engine with no counter balancer - the WORSE the vibration gets. This is EASILY seen from a 65 on up to a 500....it gets worse with size.

If you have ANY rebuttal - or contrary information - I'm totally open to hearing it.
WOLF 918 wrote:
I truly hope your having a bad day. I along with others, have a tremendous amount of respect for you and your business. I look forward...
I truly hope your having a bad day. I along with others, have a tremendous amount of respect for you and your business. I look forward to your input on anything 2cycle as well as blackdiamonds builds. Take a step back and think about how you come across.
Like an asshole.

Cause the truth hurts.

When someone slaps me in the face with some facts it hurts too...

Waiting on the slap to my statements, I really mean that...

If we cant agree on crank balancing...and what it means... can we at least agree the planet is round. Please tell me you arent a flat earther

Odds are someone is in this thread...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/62220-millennials-flat…
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•motospeed• 5/25/2018 6:16pm
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I wanted to use a billet brake clevis for the rear brake pedal and no one makes one for these bikes (to my knowledge) I was...
I wanted to use a billet brake clevis for the rear brake pedal and no one makes one for these bikes (to my knowledge)

I was able to modify some Yamaha parts on the milling machine to accept the larger diameter TM pin. They turned out pretty well.





You can fit a YZ/YZF/RMZ clevis to the TMs..

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wacker 5/25/2018 9:39pm
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Great thread and great work BD. Love seeing what you do and why, and the detail you show it in.

Very interested to see how it comes out as every Pro-level rider I know personally hasn't really ever had anything good to say about a TM after riding or racing one. They sure are pretty though.

On a side note: I also find it quite entertaining that someone asked for BD's advice on crank balancing, and when the person actually doing the motor work on these builds chimed in with his expertise, based on facts he was wrong AND "confrontational". Ahhh, the internet.
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H4L 5/25/2018 11:57pm
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wacker wrote:
Great thread and great work BD. Love seeing what you do and why, and the detail you show it in. Very interested to see how it...
Great thread and great work BD. Love seeing what you do and why, and the detail you show it in.

Very interested to see how it comes out as every Pro-level rider I know personally hasn't really ever had anything good to say about a TM after riding or racing one. They sure are pretty though.

On a side note: I also find it quite entertaining that someone asked for BD's advice on crank balancing, and when the person actually doing the motor work on these builds chimed in with his expertise, based on facts he was wrong AND "confrontational". Ahhh, the internet.
On a side note: Would you find it quite entertaining IF someone called you ignorant that chimed in with their "arrogant internet expertise response" ? I would believe a reputable company like Crank Works that actually "specializes" in cranks at the highest Pro level over someone who just chimes in on Vital..

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H4L wrote:
On a side note: Would you find it quite entertaining IF someone called you ignorant that chimed in with their "arrogant internet expertise response" ? I...
On a side note: Would you find it quite entertaining IF someone called you ignorant that chimed in with their "arrogant internet expertise response" ? I would believe a reputable company like Crank Works that actually "specializes" in cranks at the highest Pro level over someone who just chimes in on Vital..

Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude
http://www.hpracedevelopment.com
Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it but what are you doing with the suspension?
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H4L wrote:
On a side note: Would you find it quite entertaining IF someone called you ignorant that chimed in with their "arrogant internet expertise response" ? I...
On a side note: Would you find it quite entertaining IF someone called you ignorant that chimed in with their "arrogant internet expertise response" ? I would believe a reputable company like Crank Works that actually "specializes" in cranks at the highest Pro level over someone who just chimes in on Vital..

smv ryder wrote:
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude http://www.hpracedevelopment.com Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it...
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude
http://www.hpracedevelopment.com
Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it but what are you doing with the suspension?
Yeah I LOL'd hard at the "some dude that chimes in" comment hahaha H4L prove DH wrong or back to the corner mate
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H4L 5/26/2018 1:47am
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smv ryder wrote:
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude http://www.hpracedevelopment.com Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it...
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude
http://www.hpracedevelopment.com
Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it but what are you doing with the suspension?
Laughing You don't see guys like Mitch Payton, Terry Varner, Tom Morgan etc.. on here posting & belittling members. I'm sure they don't have the time to be on here on a regular basis since they have a reputable business to run...
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The dynamics of business are changing this is great advertising for DH

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Here's a video by TM they put out last year for their 40th Anniversary.

It shows their Karts, and a good time line of their Bikes, Drivers and Riders throughout the years:

https://youtu.be/84qHmdoNMMI?ecver=2" width="641" height="360
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•motospeed• wrote:
You can fit a YZ/YZF/RMZ clevis to the TMs.. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/05/25/264114/s1200_20180524_202234_1.jpg[/img]
You can fit a YZ/YZF/RMZ clevis to the TMs..

After you posted that it made me wonder so I went back and looked at when I bought those parts and realized the ones I had laying around were for a Honda. You were right, damn I wish I would have looked closer before doing the mods to the clevis. It would have been a lot easier to swap them than to do the required machine work to make them fit. Oh well.
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blackdiamond 5/26/2018 3:59pm
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Here is what the calipers look like after the machine work is done. It looks very similar to what some of the Kawasaki teams in the...
Here is what the calipers look like after the machine work is done. It looks very similar to what some of the Kawasaki teams in the MXGP's are running.



Zesiger 112 wrote:
I have a spare brake caliper coming thats gonna sit for awhile. I'm considering doing this to it. However I ride mostly sand and I'm worried...
I have a spare brake caliper coming thats gonna sit for awhile. I'm considering doing this to it. However I ride mostly sand and I'm worried about this being a way for sand to eat at the pads. What are your thoughts?
I'm going to go back and check out the CR build.
What is your ultimate brake mods? Material removal, venting, piston venting, dlc titanium pins, what else? I'm a machinist so I can do some of this myself.
I just got some parts back from the anno shop yesterday. I did a Mil Spec Type III hard-coat on the calipers and they look pretty sweet. Here is the finished product on the rear caliper.

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The front calipers are coated with the same Type III hard-coat. After coating I used a sanding roll to carefully polish the Brembo logo and it turned out well. It was tricky to do it without touching anything else but it looks awesome.The picture below shows one caliper finished and one raw from the anno shop.

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blackdiamond wrote:
The front calipers are coated with the same Type III hard-coat. After coating I used a sanding roll to carefully polish the Brembo logo and it...
The front calipers are coated with the same Type III hard-coat. After coating I used a sanding roll to carefully polish the Brembo logo and it turned out well. It was tricky to do it without touching anything else but it looks awesome.The picture below shows one caliper finished and one raw from the anno shop.

They look great, I'm thinking of giving some home cerakoting a go on mine
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smv ryder wrote:
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude http://www.hpracedevelopment.com Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it...
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude
http://www.hpracedevelopment.com
Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it but what are you doing with the suspension?
H4L wrote:
:laugh: You don't see guys like Mitch Payton, Terry Varner, Tom Morgan etc.. on here posting & belittling members. I'm sure they don't have the time...
Laughing You don't see guys like Mitch Payton, Terry Varner, Tom Morgan etc.. on here posting & belittling members. I'm sure they don't have the time to be on here on a regular basis since they have a reputable business to run...
That is a very true statement-- Message to Derek "The Almighty" , it is my opinion and several others that maybe you should spend LESS time on here and MORE time returning customers emails and phone calls ??? It probably doesn't matter to you,but I know 3 guys that went elsewhere because of the "I know everything,and you know nothing" attitude and the lack of return communication, and myself being another one. I stuck with my old standby guy (EG) and he already has my latest engine done and back to me and I'm STILL waiting for King Derek to email me his plan of attack. LMAO !! He proved to me that he's just another technically savvy dude with zero customer relations ability. My point has been proven with his posts through out this thread.

BTW--- Sorry for continuing the hijacking of this thread.......and FANTASTIC work BD on this TM build !!!! Makes me want to go Italian next time !!
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blackdiamond 5/26/2018 7:05pm
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smv ryder wrote:
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude http://www.hpracedevelopment.com Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it...
Someone who just chimes in on Vital?????? That someone is a bad dude
http://www.hpracedevelopment.com
Now back to these bad ass TM builds! Maybe I missed it but what are you doing with the suspension?
H4L wrote:
:laugh: You don't see guys like Mitch Payton, Terry Varner, Tom Morgan etc.. on here posting & belittling members. I'm sure they don't have the time...
Laughing You don't see guys like Mitch Payton, Terry Varner, Tom Morgan etc.. on here posting & belittling members. I'm sure they don't have the time to be on here on a regular basis since they have a reputable business to run...
OldPro277 wrote:
That is a very true statement-- Message to Derek "The Almighty" , it is my opinion and several others that maybe you should spend LESS time...
That is a very true statement-- Message to Derek "The Almighty" , it is my opinion and several others that maybe you should spend LESS time on here and MORE time returning customers emails and phone calls ??? It probably doesn't matter to you,but I know 3 guys that went elsewhere because of the "I know everything,and you know nothing" attitude and the lack of return communication, and myself being another one. I stuck with my old standby guy (EG) and he already has my latest engine done and back to me and I'm STILL waiting for King Derek to email me his plan of attack. LMAO !! He proved to me that he's just another technically savvy dude with zero customer relations ability. My point has been proven with his posts through out this thread.

BTW--- Sorry for continuing the hijacking of this thread.......and FANTASTIC work BD on this TM build !!!! Makes me want to go Italian next time !!
Just FYI, I have had a few cylinders done by Eric.

He is a really nice guy but his engines won't get out of their own way. Just my $.02
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OldPro277 5/26/2018 7:22pm
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Well I agree he is a nice guy,but my experiences with his ability is different than yours. He has done mostly vintage motors (5) for me ,and the 78 RM125C engine he did for me last year absolutely screams. Pulled 2 holeshots against guys half my age and 50 lbs lighter than me last year at Mid Ohio vintage days,in fact its only about a bike length slower than my son in laws 2016 YZ125 in a 100 yd drag race. The modern YZ144 he did for me pulls very strong with a ton of over rev (just what I asked for). So all I can vouch for is what he's done on mine. But I'll also say that you'll never find him being accused of being a smart-ass know it all that belittles prospective customers on a public forum. Derek MAY know his shit , but so do a lot of other guys.
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blackdiamond 5/26/2018 9:10pm
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Well I agree he is a nice guy,but my experiences with his ability is different than yours. He has done mostly vintage motors (5) for me...
Well I agree he is a nice guy,but my experiences with his ability is different than yours. He has done mostly vintage motors (5) for me ,and the 78 RM125C engine he did for me last year absolutely screams. Pulled 2 holeshots against guys half my age and 50 lbs lighter than me last year at Mid Ohio vintage days,in fact its only about a bike length slower than my son in laws 2016 YZ125 in a 100 yd drag race. The modern YZ144 he did for me pulls very strong with a ton of over rev (just what I asked for). So all I can vouch for is what he's done on mine. But I'll also say that you'll never find him being accused of being a smart-ass know it all that belittles prospective customers on a public forum. Derek MAY know his shit , but so do a lot of other guys.
I am glad you had a good experience with him.

The best part of being an American is the fact that we are free to form our own opinions and speak freely about them.
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•motospeed• 5/26/2018 10:19pm
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After you posted that it made me wonder so I went back and looked at when I bought those parts and realized the ones I had...
After you posted that it made me wonder so I went back and looked at when I bought those parts and realized the ones I had laying around were for a Honda. You were right, damn I wish I would have looked closer before doing the mods to the clevis. It would have been a lot easier to swap them than to do the required machine work to make them fit. Oh well.
Yeah but it's always satisfying when you mod something yourself.. or create a custom part.

Your clevises turned out great.

One thing I found with the alloy-framed TMs (from 2008 on) - the rear brake push rod sits at an angle.. as the rear of the brake pedal does not sit in-line under the master cylinder. The YZ/YZF/RMZ brake clevis worked.. but it exacerbated the problem slightly. It seems the fork of the factory clevis is spaced a little wider apart, which allows for more lateral movement..

You'll notice this when you mount it all up.

The quirks of an Italian mistress..
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blackdiamond 5/26/2018 10:48pm
5/26/2018 10:48pm
•motospeed• wrote:
Yeah but it's always satisfying when you mod something yourself.. or create a custom part. Your clevises turned out great. One thing I found with the...
Yeah but it's always satisfying when you mod something yourself.. or create a custom part.

Your clevises turned out great.

One thing I found with the alloy-framed TMs (from 2008 on) - the rear brake push rod sits at an angle.. as the rear of the brake pedal does not sit in-line under the master cylinder. The YZ/YZF/RMZ brake clevis worked.. but it exacerbated the problem slightly. It seems the fork of the factory clevis is spaced a little wider apart, which allows for more lateral movement..

You'll notice this when you mount it all up.

The quirks of an Italian mistress..
I just noticed that Friday actually. It's not even close! That has to be really hard on the internals of the master cylinder?

I am thinking about making some custom brake pedals that put the clevis on the correct center-line with the master cylinder. I am tinkering with some ideas now to see if it will be feasible. These bikes are designed like a work of art in almost every aspect but I do not like that rear brake pedal design at all.
•motospeed• 5/26/2018 11:14pm
5/26/2018 11:14pm
blackdiamond wrote:
I just noticed that Friday actually. It's not even close! That has to be really hard on the internals of the master cylinder? I am thinking...
I just noticed that Friday actually. It's not even close! That has to be really hard on the internals of the master cylinder?

I am thinking about making some custom brake pedals that put the clevis on the correct center-line with the master cylinder. I am tinkering with some ideas now to see if it will be feasible. These bikes are designed like a work of art in almost every aspect but I do not like that rear brake pedal design at all.
I think Luigi had a few too many vinos with his lunch the day he designed that rear brake setup!

TM used a machined steel clevis previously (same design as the aftermarket alloy clevises), but the push rod sat perfectly vertical on the earlier steel-framed models.

I could remove some material from the clevis and/or the brake pedal for a better fit of the Zeta clevis (or bend the rear of the lever inwards slightly).

I decided to stick with the factory clevis for now.. but like yourself i'm tinkering with some ideas (and kinda hoping that TM will redesign the pedal).

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