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gabrielito 5/17/2018 11:20am
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Phantom 661 wrote:
It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground...
It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground to Dunge in fragility, longevity, success, and staying power. Add to that the fact that RD is 2nd all time in 450 wins and 2nd all time in 450 podiums and runner up every year he didn't win and the achievements put him right where he belongs. RD has some 2nd all time MX stats and they carry a lot of weight... as they should.
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
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visser62 5/17/2018 11:31am
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Using the stats argument also screws over certain riders. Ward finished one spot behind Dungey, but I think it's more than fair to say that Ward had to overcome tougher competition for his titles than did the Dunge.
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gabrielito 5/17/2018 11:43am
5/17/2018 11:43am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2018 11:43am
Ryan Dungey is the Neutral Zone Trap of motocrosss.
MinnesotaMX704 5/17/2018 11:45am
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But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed over MX longetivity.

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gabrielito 5/17/2018 11:50am
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But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
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The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed...
The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed over MX longetivity.
All I know is RV chose to beat Dungey every year they raced against each other.
jorgechavez 5/17/2018 11:52am
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I guess stats don't lie but IMO RV should be ahead of Dungey. They raced together their entire careers and Dungey never once beat him for a title.

Also it's not like RV was the one guy who beat Dungey, he got beat by Roczen as a rookie and I know Roczen's a world class talent but I feel that is a bit of a blemish on Dungey's career.
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mxpro252 5/17/2018 11:53am
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gabrielito wrote:
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
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The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed...
The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed over MX longetivity.
Matter of interpretation I guess. I don’t read “best motocrosser” to mean who had the best career stats, or hung around the longest. I’d take that into consideration of course but would lean more on dominance during the seasons they raced. Idk, hard to articulate without a novel of thoughts.
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This RacerX list is a bunch of bologna. 1) Dungey never demonstrated that he could beat Villo in a single outdoor series. 2) Villo raced 25...
This RacerX list is a bunch of bologna.

1) Dungey never demonstrated that he could beat Villo in a single outdoor series.

2) Villo raced 25 450 outdoor nationals and won 12 of them with his main competition on the gate. Dungey won 39 of 75 races, however he only won 7 of 24 when his main competition was on the gate...lost those two titles too.

Dungey did win 4 races to Villo's 3 in 2011 but Look at his race wins in 2011/2013 compared to every other healthy season...staggering difference huh? Basically his win total for 2011 & 2013 is equal to or less than any other single season save for 2015 when Roczen put a whoopin on him.


Great person, great rider, great ambassador for the sport. a Better racer than Ryan Villopoto he is not.


Should have won 2011 if not for mechanicals, but it is what it is. Furthermore, you’ve gotta be in it to win it. Can’t fault RD for always being there when RV wasn’t. RV’s style was to go for it. This meant best ever levels when he was healthy and also meant a lot of time off.

2013 absolutely when you look at RV’s competition that season you would honestly have a strong argument that it was the best MX season ever.
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gabrielito wrote:
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
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The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed...
The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed over MX longetivity.
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All I know is RV chose to beat Dungey every year they raced against each other.
What about the years RV didn't race because he was injured? I mean, its not like he was retired then. RV certainly didn't choose to get injured.


IDC what anyone says Dungey deserved that 2011 title more than RV. His consistency should have probably netted him the 2011 SX title too, despite only 1 win that year. RD lost by 10 points indoor and had a chain derailment and 12 outdoors with a DNF due to bike issues and had a bad 2nd moto after starting almost a lap down. I know ifs and buts, but Dunge really got screwed that year from mechanical issues.
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MXD 5/17/2018 12:25pm
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gabrielito wrote:
Ryan Dungey is the Neutral Zone Trap of motocrosss.
Fantastic analogy. Sadly, only hockey fans will get it.
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gabrielito 5/17/2018 12:28pm
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MinnesotaMX704 wrote:
The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed...
The article is best motocrossers not fastest, can you not read?? Could RV have been better than dungey on this list? Sure, but he chose speed over MX longetivity.
gabrielito wrote:
All I know is RV chose to beat Dungey every year they raced against each other.
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What about the years RV didn't race because he was injured? I mean, its not like he was retired then. RV certainly didn't choose to get...
What about the years RV didn't race because he was injured? I mean, its not like he was retired then. RV certainly didn't choose to get injured.


IDC what anyone says Dungey deserved that 2011 title more than RV. His consistency should have probably netted him the 2011 SX title too, despite only 1 win that year. RD lost by 10 points indoor and had a chain derailment and 12 outdoors with a DNF due to bike issues and had a bad 2nd moto after starting almost a lap down. I know ifs and buts, but Dunge really got screwed that year from mechanical issues.
Had those circumstances not have happened maybe Dungey then could be considered a better motocrosser but as things stand head to head competition should have more weight, as should JS7's perfect season and the fact he was the FMOTP for several years. 7th for JS7, that's ridiculous.
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DP#201 5/17/2018 12:29pm
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Who is this Dungey and RV? Have they been like World Champs in MX or something like that? Whistling the topic says all time MX list!
jorgechavez 5/17/2018 12:31pm
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What about the years RV didn't race because he was injured? I mean, its not like he was retired then. RV certainly didn't choose to get...
What about the years RV didn't race because he was injured? I mean, its not like he was retired then. RV certainly didn't choose to get injured.


IDC what anyone says Dungey deserved that 2011 title more than RV. His consistency should have probably netted him the 2011 SX title too, despite only 1 win that year. RD lost by 10 points indoor and had a chain derailment and 12 outdoors with a DNF due to bike issues and had a bad 2nd moto after starting almost a lap down. I know ifs and buts, but Dunge really got screwed that year from mechanical issues.
Sorry but I disagree, yes he had some mechanical problems outdoors but him and RV were also separated by 1 point after Milleville and then again after Washougal because they tied on points that round. If he "deserved it" as you say, he would have stepped up and beat RV in those last four rounds when they were practically even in points, but he didn't.

Using your logic is it fair to say Tomac deserved the SX title last year? His front brake failed and hindered his result in a race, and I would definitely say it cost him more points than he lost the title by.
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gabrielito 5/17/2018 12:33pm
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DP#201 wrote:
Who is this Dungey and RV? Have they been like World Champs in MX or something like that? Whistling the topic says all time MX list!
It said AMA.
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Phantom 661 5/17/2018 12:48pm
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It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground...
It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground to Dunge in fragility, longevity, success, and staying power. Add to that the fact that RD is 2nd all time in 450 wins and 2nd all time in 450 podiums and runner up every year he didn't win and the achievements put him right where he belongs. RD has some 2nd all time MX stats and they carry a lot of weight... as they should.
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But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
Yes, when they lined up together. The problem is that one Ryan was laid up for two seasons while the other kept going like the energizer bunny while racking up wins, championships and some very sweet all time stats. This is what makes RD greater overall in MX than RV. It doesn't change the ass kicking Dungey received by RV those two years, but it does mean RV needed long recovery times (fragility) and missed series in between championships while RD grinded away and made himself a name/award(s)/legend in the sport.

aFACEdismembered 5/17/2018 1:02pm
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Was RV's GP win taken in to account? Or the fact that he had the balls (be it contractually or not) to go do the GP's? You can be an AMA rider but the list isn't compiled based on stats alone. Hannah did plenty of non-AMA pro motocross races and his legacy is, in part, due to those successes.
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Phantom 661 wrote:
It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground...
It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground to Dunge in fragility, longevity, success, and staying power. Add to that the fact that RD is 2nd all time in 450 wins and 2nd all time in 450 podiums and runner up every year he didn't win and the achievements put him right where he belongs. RD has some 2nd all time MX stats and they carry a lot of weight... as they should.
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But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
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Yes, when they lined up together. The problem is that one Ryan was laid up for two seasons while the other kept going like the energizer...
Yes, when they lined up together. The problem is that one Ryan was laid up for two seasons while the other kept going like the energizer bunny while racking up wins, championships and some very sweet all time stats. This is what makes RD greater overall in MX than RV. It doesn't change the ass kicking Dungey received by RV those two years, but it does mean RV needed long recovery times (fragility) and missed series in between championships while RD grinded away and made himself a name/award(s)/legend in the sport.

I don't remember dungey ever getting his ass kicked by RV in MX. I remember Dungey losing one of the championships due to two mechanicals. One of which he had one of the most amazing rides ever seen and the other where he was absolutely crushing everyone and ultimately ran out of gas. I remember those incidents directly costing him the championship. I also remember Dungey and Villopoto having a great battle an entire season which Villopoto ultimately ended up winning. I think some of you guys here seem to forget how close RD and RV actually were in MX.
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Flatliner 5/17/2018 4:22pm
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This RacerX list is a bunch of bologna. 1) Dungey never demonstrated that he could beat Villo in a single outdoor series. 2) Villo raced 25...
This RacerX list is a bunch of bologna.

1) Dungey never demonstrated that he could beat Villo in a single outdoor series.

2) Villo raced 25 450 outdoor nationals and won 12 of them with his main competition on the gate. Dungey won 39 of 75 races, however he only won 7 of 24 when his main competition was on the gate...lost those two titles too.

Dungey did win 4 races to Villo's 3 in 2011 but Look at his race wins in 2011/2013 compared to every other healthy season...staggering difference huh? Basically his win total for 2011 & 2013 is equal to or less than any other single season save for 2015 when Roczen put a whoopin on him.


Great person, great rider, great ambassador for the sport. a Better racer than Ryan Villopoto he is not.


To your point 1..... he did in 2011. Mechanical failure cost him that title. He had a 25 second lead in freestone when his bike gave up. That was a 1-1 day with all the points that go with it.

After that, it took the team a few years to work out a brand new bike, I’m amazed he won at all the first year or two on orange.

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MR. X 5/17/2018 4:34pm
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Maybe they took in to consideration that RV stayed with the same program and Dungey left a solid program to build a completely new team, on a bike that had very little time ever winning at that level.
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newmann 5/17/2018 4:39pm
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Damn, you guys make it sound as if it is Dungey fault that his main competition couldn’t keep it on two fucking wheels. And that, my friends, is where Dungey beat all those others.
uneasy_rider 5/17/2018 4:41pm
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Amazing how many of you didn’t read the article lol they justify Dungey over RV so well.
99% of the comments put RV or RD, are you reading the same thread?
uneasy_rider 5/17/2018 4:45pm
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Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about...
Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about that. But his consistency won him titles, not his ability to always be the best racer. Stew literally changed the sport of MX and is one of only 2 guys to go 24-0. Stew and RV both were not often beaten straight up, whereas RD has been beaten several times by several riders over the years, including Alessi at Washougal. Not to mention RV absolutely smashing an entire field at des nations including RC (who will likely end up #1 on this list) on a 250f.

RV NEVER lost a title. 3 straight on a 250f and 2 of 2 that he competed in on 450s (Add 4 straight SX titles in if you want). Dungey was present in all of them, other than maybe one of the early 250 outdoor titles. I just don't understand how you can place RD ahead of RV when he flat out beat him in every single championship they ever raced/finished together. Did Dunge have a more consistent career, sure.. But if we're arguing who was a better racer, I feel we have to award that title to the guy that won when they raced each other..

I understand Dungey has more wins overall than both of these riders to his credit, and am in no way implying he isn't one of the best all time in this sport. I'm just not sure I agree with some of the logic behind the list that is titled "Greatest Motocross Racer".
Of course, just my personal opinions..
Consistency is how you win a series, right?
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Ranking ghosts of the past. Is the recent crop of riders so dismal that it comes down to this?
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I’m sorry, but how can you be ranked better than your biggest competitor when you never beat him for a title. Never. I don’t care about mechanicals or this or that, the scoreboard, directly, does not lie.
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gabrielito wrote:
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class...
But when it comes to who is a better motocrosse RV clearly and indisputably is the better motocrosser. RV dominated Dungey every year in every class they lined up against each other. It makes zero sense to say Dungey is a better motocrosser when RV clearly is.
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Yes, when they lined up together. The problem is that one Ryan was laid up for two seasons while the other kept going like the energizer...
Yes, when they lined up together. The problem is that one Ryan was laid up for two seasons while the other kept going like the energizer bunny while racking up wins, championships and some very sweet all time stats. This is what makes RD greater overall in MX than RV. It doesn't change the ass kicking Dungey received by RV those two years, but it does mean RV needed long recovery times (fragility) and missed series in between championships while RD grinded away and made himself a name/award(s)/legend in the sport.

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I don't remember dungey ever getting his ass kicked by RV in MX. I remember Dungey losing one of the championships due to two mechanicals. One...
I don't remember dungey ever getting his ass kicked by RV in MX. I remember Dungey losing one of the championships due to two mechanicals. One of which he had one of the most amazing rides ever seen and the other where he was absolutely crushing everyone and ultimately ran out of gas. I remember those incidents directly costing him the championship. I also remember Dungey and Villopoto having a great battle an entire season which Villopoto ultimately ended up winning. I think some of you guys here seem to forget how close RD and RV actually were in MX.
Go back and watch 2013 450 MX. You will be shocked. And after that, 2007 and 2008 250s as well.
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Damn, you guys make it sound as if it is Dungey fault that his main competition couldn’t keep it on two fucking wheels. And that, my...
Damn, you guys make it sound as if it is Dungey fault that his main competition couldn’t keep it on two fucking wheels. And that, my friends, is where Dungey beat all those others.
So his main competition ,I'm assuming you mean RV? Couldn't keep it on two wheels yet,he still couldn't beat him for a championship outdoors or indoors. Beat all those others? With the exception of RV of course!
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Damn, you guys make it sound as if it is Dungey fault that his main competition couldn’t keep it on two fucking wheels. And that, my...
Damn, you guys make it sound as if it is Dungey fault that his main competition couldn’t keep it on two fucking wheels. And that, my friends, is where Dungey beat all those others.
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So his main competition ,I'm assuming you mean RV? Couldn't keep it on two wheels yet,he still couldn't beat him for a championship outdoors or indoors...
So his main competition ,I'm assuming you mean RV? Couldn't keep it on two wheels yet,he still couldn't beat him for a championship outdoors or indoors. Beat all those others? With the exception of RV of course!
Did RV not crash himself out of a few championships trying to stay ahead of Dungey?
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newmann 5/17/2018 5:55pm
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I remember shouting across the fence as Dungey followed Stewart around Freestone sniffing his ass. What happened a couple races later?
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It's literally laughable they ranked RD ahead of RV. RD is all time great and I would be fine with RD close behind RV but no way he should be ahead. Sure he has more race wins and 1 more 450 championship. But this isn't like SX where the 250 championships are only East Coast/West Coast. THere's no pointing out and it's a legit series. RV has 2 more 250 championships than RD. Overall outdoor championships is 5 for RV and 4 for RD. RV never lost a championship to RD while on the other hand RD was never able to beat RV for a championship outdoors. DC's whole write up seemed like he was trying to convince himself and everyone else that RD deserves to be ahead lol. RV should have been 4 with RD/JS at 6/7.
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I’m sorry, but how can you be ranked better than your biggest competitor when you never beat him for a title. Never. I don’t care about...
I’m sorry, but how can you be ranked better than your biggest competitor when you never beat him for a title. Never. I don’t care about mechanicals or this or that, the scoreboard, directly, does not lie.
Because RD outlasted him, had a longer more successful career. RV burnt it at both ends to beat Dungey, burnt him out mentally. RD just kept plugging along.

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