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X2,. I got rv over dungey. Titles mean.more than wins.
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X3. Definitely think RV should be ahead of RD
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For SX? Absolutely. MX? Absolutely not.
Rv has more outdoor titles .
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mcgrath got tired of people baggin on him for not being mx enough...went and super trained for it and won it outright in like 95 if...
mcgrath got tired of people baggin on him for not being mx enough...went and super trained for it and won it outright in like 95 if i remember right. then he went back to supercross specialist. lol.
He was dominating the outdoors in '96 as well, before the ankle injury. MC had really put everything together that year.

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+1 on the RV ahead of Dunge debate. Was never a RV fan really, but if I'm being totally unbiased, RV2 seemed more unbeatable than RD5...
+1 on the RV ahead of Dunge debate.

Was never a RV fan really, but if I'm being totally unbiased, RV2 seemed more unbeatable than RD5 was... and the fact that they both raced together, with RV being the more dominate rider during that time, should definitely tip the scales in RV2's direction.
Interesting. It says right in the article that RD has 39 career ama 450 MX wins. RV and JS have 32 combined. RD also has 3 championships to RVs 2. Yet you think RV had a better MX career than RD? That's very interesting.
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Amazing how many of you didn’t read the article lol they justify Dungey over RV so well.

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X3. Definitely think RV should be ahead of RD
agn5009 wrote:
For SX? Absolutely. MX? Absolutely not.
mxb2 wrote:
Rv has more outdoor titles .
Not in the premier class. We all know 250s don't hold as much weight.
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Championships are the only thing that matters.
Agree. RD4 doesn't get the credit for his accomplishments by many. Maybe 10 yrs. from now he'll get his dues. Have been a fan since his rookie year on the 250f's. Great champion & ambassador to the sport.
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agn5009 wrote:
For SX? Absolutely. MX? Absolutely not.
mxb2 wrote:
Rv has more outdoor titles .
agn5009 wrote:
Not in the premier class. We all know 250s don't hold as much weight.
Its all.how you look at it. Dungey is a legend, but imo. Rv is ,#2 behind rc. Not even close.
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Dungey has 39 wins on a 450 outdoors and 7 on a 250, 3 450 outdoor titles and 1 250 outdoor title.

RV has 13 wins on a 450 outdoors and 19 on a 250, 2 450 outdoor titles and 3 250 outdoor titles

I think there is probably more emphasis put on the 450 titles. If you look at the history books, not our knowledge of the past 10 years, RD would be considered the better outdoor rider. Part of that is RV getting hurt, but that's not Dungey's fault either.

For discussion sake, how would everyone feel if Dunge had beaten RV in 2011? Because IMO he should have easily had that title. Mechanicals were totally out of his control and the conspiracy theorist in me has me questioning how that happens three times in one season to one rider (1 indoors with chain derailment and 2 outdoors).
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+1 on the RV ahead of Dunge debate. Was never a RV fan really, but if I'm being totally unbiased, RV2 seemed more unbeatable than RD5...
+1 on the RV ahead of Dunge debate.

Was never a RV fan really, but if I'm being totally unbiased, RV2 seemed more unbeatable than RD5 was... and the fact that they both raced together, with RV being the more dominate rider during that time, should definitely tip the scales in RV2's direction.
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Interesting. It says right in the article that RD has 39 career ama 450 MX wins. RV and JS have 32 combined. RD also has 3...
Interesting. It says right in the article that RD has 39 career ama 450 MX wins. RV and JS have 32 combined. RD also has 3 championships to RVs 2. Yet you think RV had a better MX career than RD? That's very interesting.
Geesh, I honestly just now remembered/realized that this is a strictly outdoor MX ranking. Disregard my comments as I lodge my foot (errr, keyboard?) in my mouth.
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agn5009 5/17/2018 8:29am
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Rv has more outdoor titles .
agn5009 wrote:
Not in the premier class. We all know 250s don't hold as much weight.
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Its all.how you look at it. Dungey is a legend, but imo. Rv is ,#2 behind rc. Not even close.
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
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agn5009 wrote:
Not in the premier class. We all know 250s don't hold as much weight.
mxb2 wrote:
Its all.how you look at it. Dungey is a legend, but imo. Rv is ,#2 behind rc. Not even close.
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It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as...
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
Good points, rv more titles than stewart.
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mxb2 wrote:
Its all.how you look at it. Dungey is a legend, but imo. Rv is ,#2 behind rc. Not even close.
agn5009 wrote:
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as...
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
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Good points, rv more titles than stewart.
I'm with you. if we are picking an MX team...I would take RV over RD for outright speed all day.

I forgot how many wins RD had outdoors, dude was an animal.
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It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as...
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
Better career; yes, better racer; debatable
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agn5009 wrote:
Not in the premier class. We all know 250s don't hold as much weight.
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Its all.how you look at it. Dungey is a legend, but imo. Rv is ,#2 behind rc. Not even close.
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It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as...
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
Spin it however you want. 5 outdoor titles is pretty impressive. I remember RV winning outdoor races by 30-40 seconds over Dungey! Des Nations is considered MX I think? RV is batting 1000. at the Des Nations! Plus, it didn't take anyone to retire for RV to dominate!
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Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about that. But his consistency won him titles, not his ability to always be the best racer. Stew literally changed the sport of MX and is one of only 2 guys to go 24-0. Stew and RV both were not often beaten straight up, whereas RD has been beaten several times by several riders over the years, including Alessi at Washougal. Not to mention RV absolutely smashing an entire field at des nations including RC (who will likely end up #1 on this list) on a 250f.

RV NEVER lost a title. 3 straight on a 250f and 2 of 2 that he competed in on 450s (Add 4 straight SX titles in if you want). Dungey was present in all of them, other than maybe one of the early 250 outdoor titles. I just don't understand how you can place RD ahead of RV when he flat out beat him in every single championship they ever raced/finished together. Did Dunge have a more consistent career, sure.. But if we're arguing who was a better racer, I feel we have to award that title to the guy that won when they raced each other..

I understand Dungey has more wins overall than both of these riders to his credit, and am in no way implying he isn't one of the best all time in this sport. I'm just not sure I agree with some of the logic behind the list that is titled "Greatest Motocross Racer".
Of course, just my personal opinions..
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agn5009 5/17/2018 9:53am
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mxb2 wrote:
Its all.how you look at it. Dungey is a legend, but imo. Rv is ,#2 behind rc. Not even close.
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It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as...
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
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Spin it however you want. 5 outdoor titles is pretty impressive. I remember RV winning outdoor races by 30-40 seconds over Dungey! Des Nations is considered...
Spin it however you want. 5 outdoor titles is pretty impressive. I remember RV winning outdoor races by 30-40 seconds over Dungey! Des Nations is considered MX I think? RV is batting 1000. at the Des Nations! Plus, it didn't take anyone to retire for RV to dominate!
I'm not spinning anything. I'm presenting the facts and reasons why RD is above RV. I live RV, he's one of my favorite racers of all time. And no, I don't think they took Des Nations into account since it's the 30 greatest AMA MXers. Speed doesn't equal great. Is it a factor? Absolutely. For this list they took a ton of things into account. Consistency, championships, wins, podiums and speed. RV had RD covered in speed a lot of the time. But he doesn't have him covered in any of the other factors in MX. This isn't a list about MXDN records, SX championships, number of races won by 30+ seconds etc. It's a list regarding greatest MX racers of all time. RD has a lot more in his favor than RV does which is why he's placed higher on the list.
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Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about...
Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about that. But his consistency won him titles, not his ability to always be the best racer. Stew literally changed the sport of MX and is one of only 2 guys to go 24-0. Stew and RV both were not often beaten straight up, whereas RD has been beaten several times by several riders over the years, including Alessi at Washougal. Not to mention RV absolutely smashing an entire field at des nations including RC (who will likely end up #1 on this list) on a 250f.

RV NEVER lost a title. 3 straight on a 250f and 2 of 2 that he competed in on 450s (Add 4 straight SX titles in if you want). Dungey was present in all of them, other than maybe one of the early 250 outdoor titles. I just don't understand how you can place RD ahead of RV when he flat out beat him in every single championship they ever raced/finished together. Did Dunge have a more consistent career, sure.. But if we're arguing who was a better racer, I feel we have to award that title to the guy that won when they raced each other..

I understand Dungey has more wins overall than both of these riders to his credit, and am in no way implying he isn't one of the best all time in this sport. I'm just not sure I agree with some of the logic behind the list that is titled "Greatest Motocross Racer".
Of course, just my personal opinions..
+1. I was just to make this point. RV never lost a 450 title he competed in when he raced the entire series. I believe RD was there but all of 1 SX championships of RVS. (Dungey broke a color bone around st Louis, forget the year). RV dominated everyone, including RD. Yes, RV was hurt a few times for outdoors, but overall win percentage has got to be about as high as anyone all time. RV also raced about 3 less years. I believe dungey is an all time great, just not ahead of RV.
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Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about...
Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about that. But his consistency won him titles, not his ability to always be the best racer. Stew literally changed the sport of MX and is one of only 2 guys to go 24-0. Stew and RV both were not often beaten straight up, whereas RD has been beaten several times by several riders over the years, including Alessi at Washougal. Not to mention RV absolutely smashing an entire field at des nations including RC (who will likely end up #1 on this list) on a 250f.

RV NEVER lost a title. 3 straight on a 250f and 2 of 2 that he competed in on 450s (Add 4 straight SX titles in if you want). Dungey was present in all of them, other than maybe one of the early 250 outdoor titles. I just don't understand how you can place RD ahead of RV when he flat out beat him in every single championship they ever raced/finished together. Did Dunge have a more consistent career, sure.. But if we're arguing who was a better racer, I feel we have to award that title to the guy that won when they raced each other..

I understand Dungey has more wins overall than both of these riders to his credit, and am in no way implying he isn't one of the best all time in this sport. I'm just not sure I agree with some of the logic behind the list that is titled "Greatest Motocross Racer".
Of course, just my personal opinions..
Stewart only had 1 outdoor title, granted it was 24-0,. But winning more than one title trumps 24-0. Imo.

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Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about...
Personally, I would place both JS7 and RV ahead of Dunge if we're talking "Greatest Motocross Racer".. Dunge was an all time great, no doubt about that. But his consistency won him titles, not his ability to always be the best racer. Stew literally changed the sport of MX and is one of only 2 guys to go 24-0. Stew and RV both were not often beaten straight up, whereas RD has been beaten several times by several riders over the years, including Alessi at Washougal. Not to mention RV absolutely smashing an entire field at des nations including RC (who will likely end up #1 on this list) on a 250f.

RV NEVER lost a title. 3 straight on a 250f and 2 of 2 that he competed in on 450s (Add 4 straight SX titles in if you want). Dungey was present in all of them, other than maybe one of the early 250 outdoor titles. I just don't understand how you can place RD ahead of RV when he flat out beat him in every single championship they ever raced/finished together. Did Dunge have a more consistent career, sure.. But if we're arguing who was a better racer, I feel we have to award that title to the guy that won when they raced each other..

I understand Dungey has more wins overall than both of these riders to his credit, and am in no way implying he isn't one of the best all time in this sport. I'm just not sure I agree with some of the logic behind the list that is titled "Greatest Motocross Racer".
Of course, just my personal opinions..
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+1. I was just to make this point. RV never lost a 450 title he competed in when he raced the entire series. I believe RD...
+1. I was just to make this point. RV never lost a 450 title he competed in when he raced the entire series. I believe RD was there but all of 1 SX championships of RVS. (Dungey broke a color bone around st Louis, forget the year). RV dominated everyone, including RD. Yes, RV was hurt a few times for outdoors, but overall win percentage has got to be about as high as anyone all time. RV also raced about 3 less years. I believe dungey is an all time great, just not ahead of RV.
Don't forget that Dungey never beat RV for a title outdoors.

But let's go ahead and put RD higher than a rider that he never beat for an outdoor title and a rider that has more outdoor titles total when including 250s.

I'm not a Dungey hater at all. I like the guy, but in my opinion(which we all have our own), RV should be above RD
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Stewart only had 1 outdoor title, granted it was 24-0,. But winning more than one title trumps 24-0. Imo.
Yeah I get that, but the list is "Greatest Racer" not "Greatest Career". I just feel there is a difference.

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No different than the "all time wins list". How many races did Hannah have the chance to win back in the 70's? SX and MX were like 6 rounds each. If the counted it as percentage of wins per season to balance it out, who wouldn't have been bumped down the list yet?
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Dungey over Villopoto on an all time list absolutely. I’m not quite sure what the logic is in having Stewart over Villopoto though. That’s a huge head scratcher.
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RV only raced 26 nationals on a 450 in 6 years. RD won 39 450 races. Speed for speed I'd take RV but you also have to think about Dungey's bike giving up in Freestone 2011 and bike problems at Southwick the same year that cost him the title handing it to RV. Peak RV was better but peak RV only raced the last four Nationals of 11 and all of 13 on a 450.
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Dungey over Villopoto on an all time list absolutely. I’m not quite sure what the logic is in having Stewart over Villopoto though. That’s a huge...
Dungey over Villopoto on an all time list absolutely. I’m not quite sure what the logic is in having Stewart over Villopoto though. That’s a huge head scratcher.
This is the one that confused me the most. Must have taken the undefeated season into effect.
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Best MOTOCROSS racer-= number of PREMIER Class outdoor titles. Fastest doesn't count here, as MX championships are won most of the time by consistency. I'm not sure why this is debatable?
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Dungey has 39 wins on a 450 outdoors and 7 on a 250, 3 450 outdoor titles and 1 250 outdoor title. RV has 13 wins...
Dungey has 39 wins on a 450 outdoors and 7 on a 250, 3 450 outdoor titles and 1 250 outdoor title.

RV has 13 wins on a 450 outdoors and 19 on a 250, 2 450 outdoor titles and 3 250 outdoor titles

I think there is probably more emphasis put on the 450 titles. If you look at the history books, not our knowledge of the past 10 years, RD would be considered the better outdoor rider. Part of that is RV getting hurt, but that's not Dungey's fault either.

For discussion sake, how would everyone feel if Dunge had beaten RV in 2011? Because IMO he should have easily had that title. Mechanicals were totally out of his control and the conspiracy theorist in me has me questioning how that happens three times in one season to one rider (1 indoors with chain derailment and 2 outdoors).
I like your last part, there were some people at the time that thought Suzuki did not want him winning espaiclly after 2010 and him being owed money from them for awhile. Plus there was a I'll advised shock change at Steel City in 2011 after Moto 1.... I wonder why? Partially joking of course.
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It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as...
It's not all how you look at it. It literally comes down to the fact that RD has more 450 titles and literally 3 times as many 450 wins. It's not even debatable who had the better MX career. There's absolutely nothing you can argue? The name of the article is 30 greatest motocrossers of all time. It's not 30 greatest SX AND MX riders of all time. If it was, then you'd have an argument. But it's not.
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Spin it however you want. 5 outdoor titles is pretty impressive. I remember RV winning outdoor races by 30-40 seconds over Dungey! Des Nations is considered...
Spin it however you want. 5 outdoor titles is pretty impressive. I remember RV winning outdoor races by 30-40 seconds over Dungey! Des Nations is considered MX I think? RV is batting 1000. at the Des Nations! Plus, it didn't take anyone to retire for RV to dominate!
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I'm not spinning anything. I'm presenting the facts and reasons why RD is above RV. I live RV, he's one of my favorite racers of all...
I'm not spinning anything. I'm presenting the facts and reasons why RD is above RV. I live RV, he's one of my favorite racers of all time. And no, I don't think they took Des Nations into account since it's the 30 greatest AMA MXers. Speed doesn't equal great. Is it a factor? Absolutely. For this list they took a ton of things into account. Consistency, championships, wins, podiums and speed. RV had RD covered in speed a lot of the time. But he doesn't have him covered in any of the other factors in MX. This isn't a list about MXDN records, SX championships, number of races won by 30+ seconds etc. It's a list regarding greatest MX racers of all time. RD has a lot more in his favor than RV does which is why he's placed higher on the list.
Five "MX" titles! During there careers AMA "Mxer's "represented the U.S. at the Des Nations, a "MX "race,again 4-0! And i believe they take the Des Nations into account? At least on RV's bio they do.
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This RacerX list is a bunch of bologna.

1) Dungey never demonstrated that he could beat Villo in a single outdoor series.

2) Villo raced 25 450 outdoor nationals and won 12 of them with his main competition on the gate. Dungey won 39 of 75 races, however he only won 7 of 24 when his main competition was on the gate...lost those two titles too.

Dungey did win 4 races to Villo's 3 in 2011 but Look at his race wins in 2011/2013 compared to every other healthy season...staggering difference huh? Basically his win total for 2011 & 2013 is equal to or less than any other single season save for 2015 when Roczen put a whoopin on him.


Great person, great rider, great ambassador for the sport. a Better racer than Ryan Villopoto he is not.


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Phantom 661 5/17/2018 11:15am
5/17/2018 11:15am
It's not about how you feel or your opinion. It's about achievements. They took RV's efficiency, domination, wins and championships into account. However, RV looses ground to Dunge in fragility, longevity, success, and staying power. Add to that the fact that RD is 2nd all time in 450 wins and 2nd all time in 450 podiums and runner up every year he didn't win and the achievements put him right where he belongs. RD has some 2nd all time MX stats and they carry a lot of weight... as they should.

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